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[gunslinger_ruiz]

Bill Casey wrote...

I'm playing through on a new playthrough...
Just finished the Geth Consensus mission...

EDI and Joker didn't have their usual exchange at the end of their Virtua Reality talk...


EDI: Shepard, I can confirm that this is the real world.
Joker: Oh, okay, well that'll solve that. Man, good thing we have an unshackled AI around to tell us what reality is.
EDI: Perhaps I missed some salient information




So seriously what's the plot trigger for this?
New Game Plus?

There's nothing I can think of I did radically different from my other playthroughs...
Other than this is the first time I haven't kept playing the same character over and over again...

I've done at least 2 NG+ imported Shepards and havne't heard that part, just the stuff before it. The only reason I know about it is because you brought it up.

EDIT: Or maybe I just wasn't paying attention... Oh well, got another NG+ coming up on the Quarian conflict so we'll see.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 01 décembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Havent done a NG+ and I heard that line. Dont know the trigger though.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

     The problem is we don't know how social she is by herself. She is socially active when she is with people she feels safe and comfortable with, which is part of AS. Example, when I'm with friends or family I can be social with strangers because said family/friends are there, so I feel safe and comfortable. However, when I am by myself I am not very social at all, portraying the well known social aspect of that symptome. Merill is the same way. When with Hawke and co. she is perfectly comfortable with expressing herself since her close companions are there for her. However, when she is by herself, like when she was with the Dalish who viewed her as an outcast of sorts, she was very reclusive except to the clan member who befriended her, like the Keeper and Pol. 

     It can also be argued that she doesn't have WS either, since she lacks almost all the negatives of it which are predominant over the positives. The biggest example of this is the heart problems that WS have. It's hard to be a blood mage when you have a bad heart. another is the low IQ that WS people have. Despite being naive, Merrill is actually very intelligent and this is shown a few times in the game, though I can't cite any examples off the top of my head since I haven't played DA2 in a while.

     I think Liara was just supposed to be the stereotypical "shy, nerdy girl" much like Tali was in ME2. Kaidan even refers to her as "the bookish sort". This being a RPG stereotype, plus her drastic personality change in ME2 and 3, thinks that Liara was just genuinely shy and not representing either AS or WS and instead just being that stereotype of the socially awkward teammate.

     With her social aspect being explained earlier in this post, she shows every other symptome of AS. She follows every other part of the "socially awkwardness", such as not understanding figurative speech and the "head in the clouds" persona when interacting with the outside world. In fact, to reference my above point, AS may suffer selective mutism, which may make them not speak at all to most but excessively to those they like. She clearly expresses interest in restrictive and repetitive behavior towards activities,(like working on the Eluvian obsessively) repetitive motor controls(like constantly twisting her hands), great sensory perception, and physical clumsiness, which together are  potential signs of AS. 

     If she only showed a couple of these, I'd say that she too was simply fitting the "shy, nerdy girl" stereotype used in RPGs, yet the fact that she shows all of these together is what has led me to believe that she has Asperger's syndrome, whether Bioware intended this or not.  

I agree, at first I thought Merill was the naive girl taken up to eleven, but as it went on I started to think it might be deeper like you describe it.

It made me care for her more than the first encounter with her and it made me want to protect her which also eventually led to a romance

[FFZero]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Urgh. Soloing is horrible, even on Bronze. It seems to delight in giving me me Device missions. TWICE. And the second was one Wave 10. And put the third device right out in the open where there was no cover and three directions enemies were shooting from. Seriously...?

Best advice for device objectives is to lure the enemies as far away as you can, and then sprint back and disable it before they get back to murderize you.  That's... easier said than done on some maps though.  Device objectives on Hydra is like the RNG pointing at you and saying "You. **** you."

Mmm, haven't played MP in a couple months.  I wonder if it's more than aggravation now (for me anyway, obviously lot of people enjoy it).

I'm about fed up with it at this point. Just got smacked with the "Redeem/Purchase Online Pass" issue. Can't wait to have lengthy conversations with incompetent "advisors" about it.

Was having that issue for almost 2 weeks. Don't use the e-mail options, takes way too long, live chat they might not have the ability to fix it, phone call best bet, might take 20-45 mins to solve but it's what finally got me back in MP. Make sure your From Ashes DLC is re-authorized when they fix it.

Not 100% on this but: the ME Datapad App might have something to do with the problem, at least according to someone else who got the bug and got help. I just uninstalled it from my ipod anyway, already got all messages and I keep up with MP for Readiness %.

Thanks. I did some research and apparently contacting EA Support via twitter is the quickest way to resolve the issue. Unfortunately, they don't return until Monday. If that doesn't work, I'll try the phone call approach. We shall see.

I've had this problem as well for the past two weeks and it still isn't fixed for me. I missed operation Privateer and it looks like I'm going to miss Detonator as well. Seriously don't use the email option, they're useless. Any tech support that offers to give you a new code which will then wipe all of your data clean, DLC purchased, packs etc, as a solution is just...just...there are not enough facepalms in the universe to cover that stupidity. Plus they’re not fast in getting back to you. I eventually had my case with them elevated to an ‘expert’ after nearly 3 days of emailing them back and forth but they don’t know how long it will take to investigate my case and fix things. <_<

I’m giving twitter a try, though I don’t see how they could do better than the email tech support.

[Gwyphon]

I got it from my first play through. Mind you it was a full series Shep.

[CmdrShep80]

Andromidius wrote...

Urgh. Soloing is horrible, even on Bronze. It seems to delight in giving me me Device missions. TWICE. And the second was one Wave 10. And put the third device right out in the open where there was no cover and three directions enemies were shooting from. Seriously...?

i think fire awe white's the easiest for that. I tried doig the same thing with the reactor level but couldn't find any solid cover without getting shot at by someone

[CmdrShep80]

Gwyphon wrote...

I can't stay connected to the EA servers for more than 2 waves... Excuse me while I go fight a brick wall with my face.

i know how that feels. My worse day was the day 1 release for omega and I couldn't get any servers. Though before omega, I went and bought a new modem. It helped my mp connection quite a bit. Before mp used to throw my modem offline and a reset had to happen it was as bad as what you described. Now since then I haven't had a mp game that disconnects unless its the players I'm playing with

[CmdrShep80]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Havent done a NG+ and I heard that line. Dont know the trigger though.

ditto for me. Here's what I did:

paragon all the way. Imported me1, me2, tries to get joker to hook up with EDI, talks to all the crew after every mission literally, even the side missions. 

[CmdrShep80]

magnetite wrote...

During my full complete playthrough, I checked with everyone after each mission (and side mission). Literally about 40 times I walked around the Normandy as well as the Citadel. I did get that line.

I guess my complete playthrough is NG+, according to my save file.

oh to add mine was first play through not new game plus

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Havent done a NG+ and I heard that line. Dont know the trigger though.

ditto for me. Here's what I did:

paragon all the way. Imported me1, me2, tries to get joker to hook up with EDI, talks to all the crew after every mission literally, even the side missions. 

Same thing.

Could it be the import that triggers it?

[Restrider]

What the hell?
DoomsDay a filthy Batarian?
MB a corrupt politician?
What is happening

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Havent done a NG+ and I heard that line. Dont know the trigger though.

ditto for me. Here's what I did:

paragon all the way. Imported me1, me2, tries to get joker to hook up with EDI, talks to all the crew after every mission literally, even the side missions. 

Same thing.

Could it be the import that triggers it?

Could just be a bug, should have someone quick save just before walking into range of Joker and EDI so they can reload and see if it's constant or not.

Will try myself once I get there again.

[Rifneno]

Restrider wrote...

What the hell?
DoomsDay a filthy Batarian?
MB a corrupt politician?
What is happening

"Filthy batarian" and "corrupt politician" are redundant, sir.

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

Restrider wrote...

What the hell?
DoomsDay a filthy Batarian?
MB a corrupt politician?
What is happening

"Filthy batarian" and "corrupt politician" are redundant, sir.

As is "stupid jellyfish".

[Rifneno]

RavenEyry wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Restrider wrote...

What the hell?
DoomsDay a filthy Batarian?
MB a corrupt politician?
What is happening

"Filthy batarian" and "corrupt politician" are redundant, sir.

As is "stupid jellyfish".

...  Touché.

[Restrider]

Just love the pleonasms!

[RiouHotaru]

So...a challenge to IT.

If Shepard is truly indoctrinated, why doesn't Vendetta sound an alarm about Shepard being an indoctrinated presence, on EITHER occasion? This conflicts heavily with the entire premise of IT.

And you can't say that the final encounter with TIM is where it happened. That contradicts the in-game lore by leaps and bounds. You can't indoctrinate someone completely in a matter of moments. And even if you could accelerating the process turns their brain to mush. If the Codex entry is to be believed, rapid indoctrination turns you into a comatose vegetable.

Which means if TIM indoctrinated you on the Citadel...well, the implications are obvious.

[Rifneno]

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...a challenge to IT.

If Shepard is truly indoctrinated, why doesn't Vendetta sound an alarm about Shepard being an indoctrinated presence, on EITHER occasion? This conflicts heavily with the entire premise of IT.

And you can't say that the final encounter with TIM is where it happened. That contradicts the in-game lore by leaps and bounds. You can't indoctrinate someone completely in a matter of moments. And even if you could accelerating the process turns their brain to mush. If the Codex entry is to be believed, rapid indoctrination turns you into a comatose vegetable.

Which means if TIM indoctrinated you on the Citadel...well, the implications are obvious.

Protheans' detection was clearly perfected, that's why their eventual fall was at the hands of indoctrinated Protheans sabotaging them from within.

[RavenEyry]

RiouHotaru wrote...

If Shepard is truly indoctrinated, why doesn't Vendetta sound an alarm about Shepard being an indoctrinated presence, on EITHER occasion? This conflicts heavily with the entire premise of IT.

Someone's nine months late to the party.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 01 décembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[Rifneno]

RavenEyry wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

If Shepard is truly indoctrinated, why doesn't Vendetta sound an alarm about Shepard being an indoctrinated presence, on EITHER occasion? This conflicts heavily with the entire premise of IT.

Someone's nine months late to the party.

It even birthed meme's.

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

Protheans' detection was clearly perfected, that's why their eventual fall was at the hands of indoctrinated Protheans sabotaging them from within.

And it's not like there's a difference between 'indoctrinated' and 'being indoctrinated'.

[Restrider]

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...a challenge to IT.

If Shepard is truly indoctrinated, why doesn't Vendetta sound an alarm about Shepard being an indoctrinated presence, on EITHER occasion? This conflicts heavily with the entire premise of IT.

And you can't say that the final encounter with TIM is where it happened. That contradicts the in-game lore by leaps and bounds. You can't indoctrinate someone completely in a matter of moments. And even if you could accelerating the process turns their brain to mush. If the Codex entry is to be believed, rapid indoctrination turns you into a comatose vegetable.

Which means if TIM indoctrinated you on the Citadel...well, the implications are obvious.

The turning point is at the ending. In the most common IT interpretation, chosing wrong is finishing the process of indoctrination. So, Shepard is indoctrinated in the ending, not before that!
Shepard is tainted but not indoctrinated from ME2 to the very end. At the final decision indoctrination either is successful or not.
Furthermore, indoctrination can take up to three years to manifest - just look at Rana Thanoptis, who was exposed to Sovereign on Virmire, seemed normal in ME2 and murdered high ranking Asari in ME3.
And to conclude, as Rifneno has already said, the prothean indoctrination detection is not really that reliable.

[Rifneno]

Speaking of the flaws in the indoctrination detection, a point I brought up yesterday (I think?) that didn't seem to get noticed but I think deserves some consideration...

Taking what we know about Leviathan's version of indoctrination (which we know the Reaper version is based upon), I think it's very likely that the Prothean indoctrination detection was similar to how EDI tracked Leviathan through Ann Bryson. In other words, they can only detect indoctrination when the Reapers are actively manipulating the victim. If the Reapers just lay low, there's nothing to detect.

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...
Taking what we know about Leviathan's version of indoctrination (which we know the Reaper version is based upon), I think it's very likely that the Prothean indoctrination detection was similar to how EDI tracked Leviathan through Ann Bryson. In other words, they can only detect indoctrination when the Reapers are actively manipulating the victim. If the Reapers just lay low, there's nothing to detect.

A definite possibility. Only detecting someone who's being actively puppeted instead of just mentally corrupted. Might explain Leng's complete indestructability in the scene with Vendetta if he's channelling a reaper.