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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Restrider wrote...

What the hell?
DoomsDay a filthy Batarian?
MB a corrupt politician?
What is happening

I wouldnt speak too loud considering your own Avatar

[Restrider]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

What the hell?
DoomsDay a filthy Batarian?
MB a corrupt politician?
What is happening

I wouldnt speak too loud considering your own Avatar

I revere classiness.

[Restrider]

Restrider wrote...

----------Preamble----------

This list has been compiled to enable an easy access to The Indoctrination Theory. While there are many other aspects, hints and signs throughout Mass Effect 3 and the entire trilogy that may also point to The Indoctrination Theory, the concepts presented in this list are - to the best of my knowledge - the most compelling ones. Take into account that my role in this undertaking was mainly the role of an editor, though many broader suggestions I found to be convincing, made it into the list. The vast majority of the points listed below were reported by fellow associates of The Indoctrination Theory and they deserve the correspondent gratitude.
The order of the list was determined through surveys and polls that can be found here.

----------The Ten Most Important Concepts Supporting The Indoctrination Theory----------

     
        I) Indoctrination in general :

          1.   Regarding IT, Shepard is in the process of indoctrination and the outcome is decided by the final decision taken.
          2.   The concept of indoctrination is a crucial part throughout the trilogy and nothing new to the player (link 1 and 2).
          3.   Rana Thanoptis is an example of how subtle and slow indoctrination can be.
          4.   Shepard knocked out for two days by a Reaper artifact that indoctrinated an entire facility.
          5.   Logs on the derelict Reaper illustrate the reactions of victims of indoctrination.
          6.   Paul Grayson's indoctrination show its effects on someone's mind.
          7.   Harbinger's smacktalk (link 1 and 2).

 
       II) The Breath Scene :

          1.   London rubble.
          2.   Mako in the background.
          3.   Citadel explosion (link 1 and 2).


    III) The Dreams :
         
          1.   Dream sequences and post-beam sequence share the same game mechanics.
          2.   Reality-nonreality transition after beam shot (post-beam, dreams, Geth Consensus).
          3.   Oily shadows and whispering.
          4.   Nightmares are mentioned in the Arrival by subjects being indoctrinated.
          5.   Chambers and Asari having PTSD as comparison between PTSD & Shepard's dreams.


    IV) Leviathan :

          1.   Harbinger/the Reapers perfected enthrallment to indoctrination.
          2.   Enthrallment uses memories of its victim.
          3.   Similarities between Leviathan end and decision chamber.
          4.   Zap sound as a sign to enter/leave virtual reality (link 1 and 2).
          5.   Note the file name of the sixth murder that can be found in Bryson's lab.


     V) The Choices :

          1.   Shepard on his knees happened only during/after some mind control.
          2.   The Guardian is aligned to the Reapers.
          3.   Control and Synthesis being supported by indoctrinated characters.
          4.   A swap in the colours (TIM = Paragon; Anderson = Renegade).
          5.   Huskification during Control/Synthesis vs. Shepard gaining strength while shooting the tubes.
          6.   Guardian losing it when you refuse ("SO BE IT!").
          7.   Decision chamber looks like a dialogue wheel from an aerial view.
          8.   Decision chamber resembling beam scenery (link 1 and 2).
          9.   Ambiguous end dialogue (Control/Synthesis).
        10.   Slide shows in Control/Synthesis/Destroy illustrate future possibilities, not facts that already happened.
        11.   Soldiers in Destroy fighting fiercely while in Control/Synthesis they are losing (note: no cheering in Synthesis).


    VI) The Kid :

         1.   Moves from one roof to another during an invasion (all links).
         2.   It can open a door that is marked as locked.
         3.   It survives a blast from a Reaper laser.
         4.   It is not seen by anyone else.
         5.   There always are warning symbols around it.
         6.   It disappears without making any noise.
         7.   It does not behave like a normal kid ("You cannot save me!").
         8.   The Guardian has the same form as the kid.


   VII) Anderson & TIM :

         1.   How did Anderson follow Shepard?
         2.   How can Anderson reach the control first?
         3.   Why did no one else follow Anderson?
         4.   From where did TIM shows up?
         5.   TIM's scars are only present at the end of the game.
         6.   Anderson may be addressing Shepard ("They are controlling you!").
         7.   Shepard is dominated by TIM and thus through him by the Reapers.
         8.   Anderson and Shepard have wounds at the same place (link 1 and 2).
         9.   Reaper horn played in the background (at 1/2 speed).


  VIII) The Guardian :

         1.   It has the same shape as the kid ( thus an extraction of Shepard's memories).
         2.   It speaks with femshep's and maleshep's voice.
         3.   Harbinger's line in the MP trailer (link 1 and 2).


    IX) The Beam Run :

        1.   Harbinger is pin-pointing everyone and everything but Shepard.
        2.   Harbinger does not destroy the Normandy.
        3.   Shepard survives a blast that should one-shot Makos and Gunships.
        4.   Harbinger just leaves.


     X) The Citadel :

        1.   The Citadel resembles events of the past.
        2.   You can find Coats dead on the Citadel.
        3.   The illumination without a specific source.

----------Epilogue----------

I would again like to thank everyone that has contributed to this list and if only a single person gains a broader perspective of The Indoctrination Theory through this list, the porpuse of this undertaking has been fulfilled and not in vain. This list may seem to be complete, but there are certainly going to be new discoveries in the course of exploring new content and I will try to adjust this list accordingly.


Version 1.0  (23.10.2012)

Just a back-up. I'll start the overhaul now.

[paxxton]

Golferguy758 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

http://techland.time...ght-warp-drive/

I'm reposting this link cause the drive described in that article might actually turn out to be a feasible solution to the interstellar travel problem.

Saw that. Unfortunately all they've done is revise the power problem from all the energy in the universe down to half the energy in the universe.

Wut? To power the revised version of the drive you need a mass equivalent to that of Voyager probe.

Problem is that you are going to obliterate the system in which you arrive in. Or least everything in front of the ship after it arrives

Why? The drive won't contract things within the space in front of it but rather space itself. The contents of that space won't even "notice" that they were contracted and then expanded. From their perspective nothing changed (their relative perception of their space is not influenced in any way). At least in theory. Remember that Star Trek episode in which a directive was issued to limited Warp levels allowed for starships because Warp 9 was creating permanent distortions?

[Eryri]

Rifneno wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...a challenge to IT.

If Shepard is truly indoctrinated, why doesn't Vendetta sound an alarm about Shepard being an indoctrinated presence, on EITHER occasion? This conflicts heavily with the entire premise of IT.

And you can't say that the final encounter with TIM is where it happened. That contradicts the in-game lore by leaps and bounds. You can't indoctrinate someone completely in a matter of moments. And even if you could accelerating the process turns their brain to mush. If the Codex entry is to be believed, rapid indoctrination turns you into a comatose vegetable.

Which means if TIM indoctrinated you on the Citadel...well, the implications are obvious.

Protheans' detection was clearly perfected, that's why their eventual fall was at the hands of indoctrinated Protheans sabotaging them from within.

And of course on the second occasion, in TIM's office, Vendetta's security protocols had been deactivated. So he would have cheerfully spoken to Shepard anyway, even if he had Reaper implants sprouting out of his ears.

Modifié par Eryri, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:38 .

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

What the hell. Down in the cargo hold of the Normandy, a little ways to the right or left of the elevator you can hear a door "ding" open. There's no door there (obviously). O_o

Guys, this conversation was hilarious. Engineering and the shuttle bay always load together; you're hearing the engineering deck doors open and close because they're proximity-based

[RavenEyry]

For wacky sound effects on the Normandy I think the slow footsteps in the cabin are the most interesting.

[Gwyphon]

 http://cloud.steampo...CC3E7BCC89972E/

Literally the first camera angle of the first dream. Really does look like brain cells. Who ever brought that up before really was on to something.
This camera angle is fairly significant too because, besides it being the first of the dreams, it's directly up probably aimed at achieving this very thing. I honestly thought I was actually looking at brain cells until the camera panned down because I forgot the first dream triggers after you leave the Citadel. Crazy stuff. 

[Restrider]

paxxton wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

http://techland.time...ght-warp-drive/

I'm reposting this link cause the drive described in that article might actually turn out to be a feasible solution to the interstellar travel problem.

Saw that. Unfortunately all they've done is revise the power problem from all the energy in the universe down to half the energy in the universe.

Wut? To power the revised version of the drive you need a mass equivalent to that of Voyager probe.

Problem is that you are going to obliterate the system in which you arrive in. Or least everything in front of the ship after it arrives

Why? The drive won't contract things within the space in front of it but rather space itself. The contents of that space won't even "notice" that they were contracted and then expanded. From their perspective nothing changed (their relative perception of their space is not influenced in any way). At least in theory. Remember that Star Trek episode in which a directive was issued to limited Warp levels allowed for starships because Warp 9 was creating permanent distortions?

Isn't the negative energy density the main problem of the drive and not the energy requirements in itself?
As far as I know, the energy density problem is circumvented by applying exotic matter, which we have not available (yet).

Modifié par Restrider, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:01 .

[RavenEyry]

Gwyphon wrote...

Literally the first camera angle of the first dream. Really does look like brain cells. Who ever brought that up before really was on to something.
This camera angle is fairly significant too because, besides it being the first of the dreams, it's directly up probably aimed at achieving this very thing. I honestly thought I was actually looking at brain cells until the camera panned down because I forgot the first dream triggers after you leave the Citadel. Crazy stuff. 

Well this is easy to give a literal explanation. It is in Shepard's head because it's a dream.

The black tendrils spreading below the dream world has more interesting symbolism.

[Restrider]

Okay, I'll analyze the Census numbers.
Does anyone else get goosebumps when working through data?
God, I am such a nerd.
Edit: I guess that explains why I really like Liara.

Modifié par Restrider, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:40 .

[hukbum]

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before but I'm wondering - what's the IRL name of these flowers on the Citadel?

[BleedingUranium]

This thread was posted earlier, and while someone said the OP is just being funny, either way, we know there are really people like this. People that have actually been indoctrinated by the Reapers in real life.

In my opinion, this is why Bioware didn't reveal indoctrination in the main game, and why they're waiting so long to do so. They're waiting for everyone to become totally entrenched in their position, and to justify and fully believe in their choice, as well as savouring the amazingly awesome and frightening feat they just accomplished.

It's what I'd do.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:45 .

[Restrider]

BleedingUranium wrote...

This thread was posted earlier, and while someone said the OP is just being funny, either way, we know there are really people like this. People that have actually been indoctrinated by the Reapers in real life.

In my opinion, this is why Bioware didn't reveal indoctrination in the main game, and why they're waiting so long to do so. They're waiting for everyone to become totally entrenched in their position, and to justify and fully believe in their choice, as well as savouring the amazingly awesome and frightening feat they just accomplished.

It's what I'd do.

I guess they are amazed by the results.

[RavenEyry]

I get the gut feeling that poster is a satirist, but there are people who hold such wacky opinions.

[Restrider]

The Census Results are intriguing. Stay tuned.

[BleedingUranium]

It's truly astonishing, they actually convinced people to side with this guy. For real. Even now, nine months later, it still gives me goosebumps.

[RavenEyry]

The sovereign talk is especially interesting because you can line it up pretty well with the pre-EC catalyst talk. It's basically the same speech with several meanings twisted.

[BleedingUranium]

RavenEyry wrote...

The sovereign talk is especially interesting because you can line it up pretty well with the pre-EC catalyst talk. It's basically the same speech with several meanings twisted.

Hmm, I'll have to watch that again for comparison's sake. And thanks for the bump to my Cerberus Reaper thread

[RavenEyry]

It's not perfect like wazard of oz to dark side of the moon, but I always get deja vu listening to Mr. Sparkle talk about final evolution and bringing order to chaos.

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

http://techland.time...ght-warp-drive/

I'm reposting this link cause the drive described in that article might actually turn out to be a feasible solution to the interstellar travel problem.

Saw that. Unfortunately all they've done is revise the power problem from all the energy in the universe down to half the energy in the universe.

Wut? To power the revised version of the drive you need a mass equivalent to that of Voyager probe.

Problem is that you are going to obliterate the system in which you arrive in. Or least everything in front of the ship after it arrives

Why? The drive won't contract things within the space in front of it but rather space itself. The contents of that space won't even "notice" that they were contracted and then expanded. From their perspective nothing changed (their relative perception of their space is not influenced in any way). At least in theory. Remember that Star Trek episode in which a directive was issued to limited Warp levels allowed for starships because Warp 9 was creating permanent distortions?

Isn't the negative energy density the main problem of the drive and not the energy requirements in itself?
As far as I know, the energy density problem is circumvented by applying exotic matter, which we have not available (yet).

Yeah, the article mentions a solution to the amount of energy required by the drive (tweaking the geometry of some parts) but says nothing about the exotic matter other than that it is required by the engine. But further into the article we can read that a lab experiment is being planned, so maybe scientists can find a solution for that too.

[Rifneno]

So they let you take Petrovsky's chess set after Omega... and didn't change the chess scene with Traynor.

Wut.

[RavenEyry]

That was the first comment on omega Byne made. It must be pretty noticeable.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

So they let you take Petrovsky's chess set after Omega... and didn't change the chess scene with Traynor.

Wut.

I read the first sentence full of hope for playing chess on a fancy chessboard. Then your second sentence brought a sobering disappointment.

[archangel1996]

Guys
That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction