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[BatmanTurian]

Zavox wrote...

The more a subject is indoctrinated the more useless they become for the reapers. Obviously that may be a reason why Shep isn't fully indoctrinated to be a mindless servant, but controlled more subtly.

Like Saren and TIM. All you have to do is look at those two and see the kind of process the Reapers are attempting with Shepard.

[mass perfection]

BatmanTurian wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

byne wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Remember when Shepard got knocked out from a Reaper artifact directly affecting him and he was knocked out for two days and was sleeping in the same facility the artifact was held in and didn't get indoctrinated at all?

Considering a large chunk of us consider that to be where the indoctrination began, no, I dont remember that.

What if someone didn't do the DLC?That was the only time Shepard was directly affected by Reaper tech.Besides,indoctrination doesn't simply go away.Even if the Reapers are all dead Shepard can get indoctrinated.Just look Benezia "My mind will never be the same" or that Rana person who killed a bunch of people who was indoctrinated by Sovereign,which died three years ago.

You fought a baby Reaper and Sovereign in close proximity. That's enough to start the process. Not even counting being in the collector ship and all of the indoctrinated enemies you fight that are, themselves, indoctrination antennas.

Sure,I can see a Husk or Cannibal being an "indoctination antenna" but an actual indoctrinated person?So those crazy indoctrinated Salarians I fought in ME1 were "indoctrination antennas"?

  Shepard spending a few hours around Sovereign and two years later,a few hours around a baby Reaper doesn't equate to sleeping for two days straight in the same facility that had a Reaper Artifact that knocked you out.

[RavenEyry]

mass perfection wrote...
Sure,I can see a Husk or Cannibal being an "indoctination antenna" but an actual indoctrinated person?So those crazy indoctrinated Salarians I fought in ME1 were "indoctrination antennas"?

The codex blatantly said they were.

[byne]

mass perfection wrote...

Shepard spending a few hours around Sovereign and two years later,a few hours around a baby Reaper doesn't equate to sleeping for two days straight in the same facility that had a Reaper Artifact that knocked you out.

Sure, it makes less sense if you didnt do Arrival, but everything about the Alpha Relay incident makes less sense if you didnt do Arrival.

Hackett straight up tells you that he wants you to go alone because if the batarians see a team, they'll execute Kenson, but if you dont do Arrival, he sends an entire regiment.

I figure they only hastily added that sort of thing at the last minute so people who didnt do Arrival wouldnt whine that their Shepard was forced to do it without them seeing it.

Modifié par byne, 01 décembre 2012 - 05:22 .

[RavenEyry]

Anyway, the name 'mass perfection' is familiar... weren't you the guy that changed your ending support banner every few days so you could argue for all the different sides. Used to have a husk avatar.

[BatmanTurian]

mass perfection wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

byne wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Remember when Shepard got knocked out from a Reaper artifact directly affecting him and he was knocked out for two days and was sleeping in the same facility the artifact was held in and didn't get indoctrinated at all?

Considering a large chunk of us consider that to be where the indoctrination began, no, I dont remember that.

What if someone didn't do the DLC?That was the only time Shepard was directly affected by Reaper tech.Besides,indoctrination doesn't simply go away.Even if the Reapers are all dead Shepard can get indoctrinated.Just look Benezia "My mind will never be the same" or that Rana person who killed a bunch of people who was indoctrinated by Sovereign,which died three years ago.

You fought a baby Reaper and Sovereign in close proximity. That's enough to start the process. Not even counting being in the collector ship and all of the indoctrinated enemies you fight that are, themselves, indoctrination antennas.

Sure,I can see a Husk or Cannibal being an "indoctination antenna" but an actual indoctrinated person?So those crazy indoctrinated Salarians I fought in ME1 were "indoctrination antennas"?

  Shepard spending a few hours around Sovereign and two years later,a few hours around a baby Reaper doesn't equate to sleeping for two days straight in the same facility that had a Reaper Artifact that knocked you out.

Go read the codex and come back with an educated argument.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

mass perfection wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

byne wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Remember when Shepard got knocked out from a Reaper artifact directly affecting him and he was knocked out for two days and was sleeping in the same facility the artifact was held in and didn't get indoctrinated at all?

Considering a large chunk of us consider that to be where the indoctrination began, no, I dont remember that.

What if someone didn't do the DLC?That was the only time Shepard was directly affected by Reaper tech.Besides,indoctrination doesn't simply go away.Even if the Reapers are all dead Shepard can get indoctrinated.Just look Benezia "My mind will never be the same" or that Rana person who killed a bunch of people who was indoctrinated by Sovereign,which died three years ago.

You fought a baby Reaper and Sovereign in close proximity. That's enough to start the process. Not even counting being in the collector ship and all of the indoctrinated enemies you fight that are, themselves, indoctrination antennas.

Sure,I can see a Husk or Cannibal being an "indoctination antenna" but an actual indoctrinated person?So those crazy indoctrinated Salarians I fought in ME1 were "indoctrination antennas"?

  Shepard spending a few hours around Sovereign and two years later,a few hours around a baby Reaper doesn't equate to sleeping for two days straight in the same facility that had a Reaper Artifact that knocked you out.

And as i said last page a person started having recurring nightmares of a giant space ship crawling through the Citadel (sounds familiar?) Recurring means they happened more than once and yet the person dose not sound Indoctrinated (yet) in the log.

Also there are a great many examples of proximity to Reapers beyond that. We also have the derelict Reaper which indoctrinated a science team.

The Geth "Chuch" object from Zhu's Hope in ME1 is a Reaper artifact. A identical artifact turned a colony into husks in one of the side missions of ME1. Also ftom ME1 is the facilty on Virmire where they studied Indoctrination. Same facility was Rana Thanopsis only exposure and when we see her in ME2 she seeems fine. However in ME3 over two years after initial exposure she snaps and kills Asari high ranking officials.

Not even mentioning ME3 where the Reapers are everywhere with at least 3 encounters with Destroyers in close proximity.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 01 décembre 2012 - 05:27 .

[spotlessvoid]

Besides some physical damage, which may be repairable with advanced enough medical technology (they did rebuild Shepard) I think someone still undergoing the initial stages of indoctrination may be able to recover IF the Reapers are destroyed and no longer able to use that foothold.

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...
I figure they only hastily added that sort of thing at the last minute so people who didnt do Arrival wouldnt whine that their Shepard was forced to do it without them seeing it.

Or possibly because of mixed signals between different writers. ME1 kept getting the fifth fleet, arcturus fleet and citadel fleet mixed up for that reason.

[masster blaster]

Shepard was also on the deralict Reaper, where the Cerberus personel became Indocctrinated, and half of them became husk, while the other half where put on the dragons teeth.

Also you have to remember If you fail arrival, your Shepard sees the future, through a vision he/she sees. Why would Bioware go all the way to make a vision of the future,instead of a regular mission failed?

And look at Jack Harper he barly was in close proximity to the Monilith. And when in the nexy scene of the comic, he was hearing a voice in his head, and seeing things in his head. Jack later became= TIM an alter ego of his former self.

[Big_Boss9]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Thanks. I did some research and apparently contacting EA Support via twitter is the quickest way to resolve the issue. Unfortunately, they don't return until Monday. If that doesn't work, I'll try the phone call approach. We shall see.

Personally, wouldn't trust twitter, but could def work. Good luck, and the phone support number should be on their help site...somewhere.

Took your advice and called them this morning. After about 40 minutes or so, they finally fixed it for me. Thanks!

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...
I figure they only hastily added that sort of thing at the last minute so people who didnt do Arrival wouldnt whine that their Shepard was forced to do it without them seeing it.

Or possibly because of mixed signals between different writers. ME1 kept getting the fifth fleet, arcturus fleet and citadel fleet mixed up for that reason.

I was under the impression that the Arcturus fleet and the Fifth fleet were the same thing while the Citadel fleet was the, you know, CITADEL fleet.  I guess I didn't notice.

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 décembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[masster blaster]

Restrider I thought I would give Udina some love. Even though he is a back staber, I wanted to at leasrt have his avatar on my profile for about 2 days. Today is the last day.

[Fingertrip]

I admire your guys random ramble about nonsense to the topic at hand. You must have really lost hope on the IT stuff by now, I know I would have- but I came to my senses after a weeks after the release

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...
I figure they only hastily added that sort of thing at the last minute so people who didnt do Arrival wouldnt whine that their Shepard was forced to do it without them seeing it.

Or possibly because of mixed signals between different writers. ME1 kept getting the fifth fleet, arcturus fleet and citadel fleet mixed up for that reason.

I was under the impression that the Arcturus fleet and the Fifth fleet were the same thing while the Citadel fleet was the, you know, CITADEL fleet.  I guess I didn't notice.

To be more specific, Hackett refers to the fifth fleet being stationed at both Arcturus station and the Citadel. I read somewhere (apologies for being unable to cite a link) that the plan was for Hackett and the fifth fleet to be at the Citadel along with the Turians and DA, and the Arcturus fleet would be the one that arrives at the end.

[masster blaster]

Finger nope. We just taking a break, and you shouldn't talk you were an ITer once.

[JShepppp]

Hi everyone,

After a few invites, I decided to come here to try to discuss some things. You may recognize me from the following threads:

http://social.biowar...index/15116529/

http://social.biowar...index/13006636/

I would be willing to discuss either/both threads. Just please keep in mind a few things:

1. My presence on BSN is intermittent, so I may not reply for a while, and there may be periods where I reply constantly.
2. I know some of the basics of IT, but I don't know the full, in-depth stuff.
3. I always try to be civil so let's try to keep it that way.

So there it is. If anyone wishes to discuss stuff further, I'll be here, but if you choose to carry on with your current dialogues, then that is no problem as well.

[masster blaster]

Also why do you keep saying/telling us the same crap. You spoken your words already, and it did nothing, so just get out an leave.

[byne]

Hola, JShep.

[masster blaster]

Jshepp okay cool. It's nice that at least others want to learn more about IT in depth. Will do it later though, because I am not on my computer right now. On my phone, and I can't qoute well on my phone.

Modifié par masster blaster, 01 décembre 2012 - 06:05 .

[RavenEyry]

@JShepppp: I agree that indoctrinating Shepard isn't the most prudent course of action, but keep in mind reapers egos. Harbinger especially has a keen interest in Shepard and would probably love to subvert them to his will. They think they've got no chance to lose this war so aren't worried about wasting time and resources messing with one person.

That's just my take on the matter of course.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

So they let you take Petrovsky's chess set after Omega... and didn't change the chess scene with Traynor.

Wut.

I think that's what bothers me most of all with Omega - very little extra scenes added throughout the game.  Infact, only one is added - and its a very brief comment from Aria on the Citadel.

I'd have been okay with it not being as long as they claimed if there was a chance to see Petrovsky in prison and get some answers about the nature of Cerberus, or a tiny addition to the Traynor chess scene where you can choose who gets the real pieces (Traynor clearly prefers a real set to holographic, so you could be a jerk too!).  Or one tiny little addition to the conversation with TIM after you trash Crono Station (adding, "I've even killed/captured your right hand man").

Alas.  Small details, but they are lacking none the less.

[masster blaster]

Wait byne 2286 was the last page on Mark 1 right. Come on just 51 pages to go. Man I hope this thread beats Mark 1's record.

[JShepppp]

RavenEyry wrote...

@JShepppp: I agree that indoctrinating Shepard isn't the most prudent course of action, but keep in mind reapers egos. Harbinger especially has a keen interest in Shepard and would probably love to subvert them to his will. They think they've got no chance to lose this war so aren't worried about wasting time and resources messing with one person.

That's just my take on the matter of course.

That's a good point - the ego would be the balancing act there; while cost/benefit wise it doesn't make sense, with the bias of an ego, it could make a difference. I am assuming in this thread the Catalyst isn't believed to exist? Otherwise, I'd look to the Catalyst as the "voice of reason" that should push to kill versus indoctrinate Shepard.

[byne]

JShepppp wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

@JShepppp: I agree that indoctrinating Shepard isn't the most prudent course of action, but keep in mind reapers egos. Harbinger especially has a keen interest in Shepard and would probably love to subvert them to his will. They think they've got no chance to lose this war so aren't worried about wasting time and resources messing with one person.

That's just my take on the matter of course.

That's a good point - the ego would be the balancing act there; while cost/benefit wise it doesn't make sense, with the bias of an ego, it could make a difference. I am assuming in this thread the Catalyst isn't believed to exist? Otherwise, I'd look to the Catalyst as the "voice of reason" that should push to kill versus indoctrinate Shepard.

I dont think the godchild exists in reality, no.

I am aware the Leviathans referred to an intelligence, but I dont think godchild was it.