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[hukbum]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I don't know this for sure, but it seems very obvious:

3 reasons:

1) It's the most reasonable explanation. Shepard can't be on Earth because there is no way he would survive re-entering the atmosphere of planet Earth.

2) In the EC we see that the Citadel isn't blown up, merely damaged. This means there is no reason for us to think Shepard is anywhere else than on the Citadel.

3) If you look more closely you see a bunch of black cables around Shepard. If you paid attention in the decision chamber you see that the red tube for the Destroy Ending was connected with those exact same black cables.

1.) Shep did this before, call it training
2.) Even in EC the center of the citadel explodes. If Shep's on the citadel - Shep's dead.
3.) Wait - IT is crazy because people interpred too much in some stuff and now you really want to tell me something about black cabels?
I bet cables have been abandoned on earth ...

Sorry - there is no literal way to explain the breath-scene.

[masster blaster]

hukbum wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I don't know this for sure, but it seems very obvious:

3 reasons:

1) It's the most reasonable explanation. Shepard can't be on Earth because there is no way he would survive re-entering the atmosphere of planet Earth.

2) In the EC we see that the Citadel isn't blown up, merely damaged. This means there is no reason for us to think Shepard is anywhere else than on the Citadel.

3) If you look more closely you see a bunch of black cables around Shepard. If you paid attention in the decision chamber you see that the red tube for the Destroy Ending was connected with those exact same black cables.

1.) Shep did this before, call it training
2.) Even in EC the center of the citadel explodes. If Shep's on the citadel - Shep's dead.
3.) Wait - IT is crazy because people interpred too much in some stuff and now you really want to tell me something about black cabels?
I bet cables have been abandoned on earth ...

Sorry - there is no literal way to explain the breath-scene.

That's why we think Shepard IS still on Earth.


Look at ME2. Shepard can't survive reentry.

Modifié par masster blaster, 01 décembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[The Heretic of Time]

BatmanTurian wrote...

You see, we're a lot more goddamn smart than you think.

I'm not saying that you aren't smart. Restrider, the guy who did the maths, is obviously a smart fella. He did make some fatal mistakes though, which I already pointed out to you.


1) The Citadel no longer completely blows up in the EC.

2) We see in the Destroy slideshow how bad the Citadel is actually damaged. It's not THAT bad and the Citadel tower (where the decision chamber was) is still completely in tact.

3) Not everyone in Hiroshima died. People actually survived the atomic bomb in Hiroshima.

4) This is fiction. Sometimes we just have to accept what the author of the story is telling us, even if it doesn't completely add up if we would analyze it to the bone. That said, I don't see a problem with the Destroy ending and Shepard surviving though. It's completely believable after the changes made in the EC.

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

You see, we're a lot more goddamn smart than you think.

I'm not saying that you aren't smart. Restrider, the guy who did the maths, is obviously a smart fella. He did make some fatal mistakes though, which I already pointed out to you.


1) The Citadel no longer completely blows up in the EC.

2) We see in the Destroy slideshow how bad the Citadel is actually damaged. It's not THAT bad and the Citadel tower (where the decision chamber was) is still completely in tact.

3) Not everyone in Hiroshima died. People actually survived the atomic bomb in Hiroshima.

4) This is fiction. Sometimes we just have to accept what the author of the story is telling us, even if it doesn't completely add up if we would analyze it to the bone. That said, I don't see a problem with the Destroy ending and Shepard surviving though. It's completely believable after the changes made in the EC.

That where not in the middle of the blast radius!

[BatmanTurian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

You see, we're a lot more goddamn smart than you think.

I'm not saying that you aren't smart. Restrider, the guy who did the maths, is obviously a smart fella. He did make some fatal mistakes though, which I already pointed out to you.


1) The Citadel no longer completely blows up in the EC.

2) We see in the Destroy slideshow how bad the Citadel is actually damaged. It's not THAT bad and the Citadel tower (where the decision chamber was) is still completely in tact.

3) Not everyone in Hiroshima died. People actually survived the atomic bomb in Hiroshima.

4) This is fiction. Sometimes we just have to accept what the author of the story is telling us, even if it doesn't completely add up if we would analyze it to the bone. That said, I don't see a problem with the Destroy ending and Shepard surviving though. It's completely believable after the changes made in the EC.

1. wrong

2.wrong

3. true but not at the epicenter. they were carbonized, incinerated, or vaporized

4. IDGAF if it's fiction. they have an internal scientific consistancy. Who is pulling what out of who's rear end now?

[The Heretic of Time]

hukbum wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I don't know this for sure, but it seems very obvious:

3 reasons:

1) It's the most reasonable explanation. Shepard can't be on Earth because there is no way he would survive re-entering the atmosphere of planet Earth.

2) In the EC we see that the Citadel isn't blown up, merely damaged. This means there is no reason for us to think Shepard is anywhere else than on the Citadel.

3) If you look more closely you see a bunch of black cables around Shepard. If you paid attention in the decision chamber you see that the red tube for the Destroy Ending was connected with those exact same black cables.

1.) Shep did this before, call it training
2.) Even in EC the center of the citadel explodes. If Shep's on the citadel - Shep's dead.
3.) Wait - IT is crazy because people interpred too much in some stuff and now you really want to tell me something about black cabels?
I bet cables have been abandoned on earth ...

Sorry - there is no literal way to explain the breath-scene.

1) No he didn't. Shepard DIED the previous time he re-entered a planets atmosphere.
2) No, the center doesn't explode in the EC ending Also, if you look at the Destroy slideshow, you see the center of the Citadel is still completely in tact. The Citadel tower and the place where Shepard was is not damaged.
3) Not just black cables, but the EXACT SAME black cables that attached the red tube to the Citadel. This has nothing to do with interpretation. This is just simply drawing a conclusion based on what we see. It's as simple as 1+1=2.

Sorry, but there is  a literal way to explain the breath scene. I just did.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 01 décembre 2012 - 08:43 .

[RavenEyry]

Again, Shepard is stood in what appears to be open space, however much damage the explosion actually does to the presidium, anyone inspecting the paintwork at the time would be incinerated.

[hukbum]

masster blaster wrote...

Look at ME2. Shepard can't survive reentry.

That was the first try. The seconed worked out better

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

hukbum wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I don't know this for sure, but it seems very obvious:

3 reasons:

1) It's the most reasonable explanation. Shepard can't be on Earth because there is no way he would survive re-entering the atmosphere of planet Earth.

2) In the EC we see that the Citadel isn't blown up, merely damaged. This means there is no reason for us to think Shepard is anywhere else than on the Citadel.

3) If you look more closely you see a bunch of black cables around Shepard. If you paid attention in the decision chamber you see that the red tube for the Destroy Ending was connected with those exact same black cables.

1.) Shep did this before, call it training
2.) Even in EC the center of the citadel explodes. If Shep's on the citadel - Shep's dead.
3.) Wait - IT is crazy because people interpred too much in some stuff and now you really want to tell me something about black cabels?
I bet cables have been abandoned on earth ...

Sorry - there is no literal way to explain the breath-scene.

1) No he didn't Shepard DIED the previous time.
2) No, the center doesn't explode in the EC ending Also, if you look at the Destroy slideshow, you see the center of the Citadel is still completely in tact. The Citadel tower and the place where Shepard was is not damaged.
3) Not just black cables, but the EXACT SAME black cables that attached the red tube to the Citadel. This has nothing to do with interpretation. This is just simply drawing a conclusion based on what we see. It's as simple as 1+1=2.

Sorry, but there is  a literal way to explain the breath scene. I just did.

the EXACT SAME black cables t

I could say it looks like rebar because it does. Again opinion not fact. Just like again THE BREATH SCENE IS ON THE CITADEL, that goes for Breath scene in on Earth. Bioware NEVER said it's on Earth, nor the Citadel, and heck the files says " Breath scene.

[RavenEyry]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

2) No, the center doesn't explode in the EC ending Also, if you look at the Destroy slideshow, you see the center of the Citadel is still completely in tact. The Citadel tower and the place where Shepard was is not damaged.

I just watched high EMS destroy five minutes ago to check and yes, it very much does explode.

[masster blaster]

RavenEyry wrote...

Again, Shepard is stood in what appears to be open space, however much damage the explosion actually does to the presidium, anyone inspecting the paintwork at the time would be incinerated.

Also everyone forget's if the Citadel is a Huge *** relaythen what wou;d happen if it got Destroyed? Teh relays were said to be indestructable, oh wait look what happened in arrival, heck I am sure not even the Reapers can survive a blast like that because in that case then Destroying the nuke silos was pointless.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

2) No, the center doesn't explode in the EC ending Also, if you look at the Destroy slideshow, you see the center of the Citadel is still completely in tact. The Citadel tower and the place where Shepard was is not damaged.

I just watched high EMS destroy five minutes ago to check and yes, it very much does explode.

And with a blast so large that Shepard is actually within the fireball created. Why is that important?

Well the nuke which hit Hiroshima exploded above the city, around 400 meters to be precise. The fireball never touched the ground but obliterated and burned an area of 2.8 km.

Now different laws do work in space, but Shepard is still inside the radious of a fireball more than 10 times the size of what appeared over Hiroshima. There shouldnt even be ashes left.

[The Heretic of Time]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

You see, we're a lot more goddamn smart than you think.

I'm not saying that you aren't smart. Restrider, the guy who did the maths, is obviously a smart fella. He did make some fatal mistakes though, which I already pointed out to you.


1) The Citadel no longer completely blows up in the EC.

2) We see in the Destroy slideshow how bad the Citadel is actually damaged. It's not THAT bad and the Citadel tower (where the decision chamber was) is still completely in tact.

3) Not everyone in Hiroshima died. People actually survived the atomic bomb in Hiroshima.

4) This is fiction. Sometimes we just have to accept what the author of the story is telling us, even if it doesn't completely add up if we would analyze it to the bone. That said, I don't see a problem with the Destroy ending and Shepard surviving though. It's completely believable after the changes made in the EC.

1. wrong

2.wrong

3. true but not at the epicenter. they were carbonized, incinerated, or vaporized

4. IDGAF if it's fiction. they have an internal scientific consistancy. Who is pulling what out of who's rear end now?

1. Nope, it's true. I'm right. The Citadel doesn't blow up. Look at this and see how much it's blow up. Not much, is it?

2. Nope, it's true. I'm right. The Citadel doesn't blow up. Look at this and see how much it's blow up. Not much, is it?

3. Shepard wasn't at the epicenter of a 100kt explosion either. As I said, the Citadel did not completely blow up. So your Hiroshima comparison is irrelevant anyway.

4. And how is the literal EC Destroy ending against the internal scientific consistancy? And don't you dare say Mass Effect is hard sci-fi. It isn't true. There are plenty of things in Mass Effect that defy real-life science. Even th  whole concept of "mass effect  itself completley defies real-life science. But that's okay, because Mass Effect is fiction.

[hukbum]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Sorry, but there is  a literal way to explain the breath scene. I just did.

This is your interpretation. It works both ways.
The cables can also just be a reused textured model, right?

[RavenEyry]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

2) No, the center doesn't explode in the EC ending Also, if you look at the Destroy slideshow, you see the center of the Citadel is still completely in tact. The Citadel tower and the place where Shepard was is not damaged.

I just watched high EMS destroy five minutes ago to check and yes, it very much does explode.

And with a blast so large that Shepard is actually within the fireball created. Why is that important?

And as some people apparently need reminding, Shepard isn't in a panic room deep within the tower, they're stood outside.

[The Heretic of Time]

hukbum wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Sorry, but there is  a literal way to explain the breath scene. I just did.

This is your interpretation. It works both ways.
The cables can also just be a reused textured model, right?

Absolutely correct. This is indeed my interpretation. And it is true that textures and models in video-games are often reused for multiple objects and scenes to save work and disk-space.

I'm just saying that I managed to make sense of the endings from a literal perspective and to me my explanation seems more reasonable and more likely to be true than the Indoctrination Theory. But as you said, that is just my opinion, my intepretation.

[RavenEyry]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I'm just saying that I managed to make sense of the endings from a literal perspective and to me my explanation seems more reasonable and more likely to be true than the Indoctrination Theory. But as you said, that is just my opinion, my intepretation.

Surviving that explosion is reasonable?!?!

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Again, Shepard is stood in what appears to be open space, however much damage the explosion actually does to the presidium, anyone inspecting the paintwork at the time would be incinerated.

Also everyone forget's if the Citadel is a Huge *** relaythen what wou;d happen if it got Destroyed? Teh relays were said to be indestructable, oh wait look what happened in arrival, heck I am sure not even the Reapers can survive a blast like that because in that case then Destroying the nuke silos was pointless.

For the 100th time: The Citadel doesn't blow up in the Extended Cut.


If it did blow up, then not just Shepard would be burned, but the entire planet earth would be destroyed as well. Except that doesn't happen because the Citadel DOESN'T BLOW UP in the EC.

[masster blaster]

Hanar bs.

If a force field is around the Citadel tower, then that means the blast happence inside. If you say it happence outside, then that's dum. Also you forget if the Reapers Destroy the nuke silos on Earth, then that means they fear it as a threat. So if Reapers fear nuks, which Dreadnoughts have tiwice the fire power on the atom bom droped on hiroshima, then ...

Loos at the Citadel, and times that by a thousand. I mean come on a part of the Citadel arms still falls off. That's some fire power. And the huge blast radius is inside the Citadel.

[The Heretic of Time]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I'm just saying that I managed to make sense of the endings from a literal perspective and to me my explanation seems more reasonable and more likely to be true than the Indoctrination Theory. But as you said, that is just my opinion, my intepretation.

Surviving that explosion is reasonable?!?!

Reasonable? That depends: What is reasonable in fiction?

Is it likely that you survive the events of the EC version of the Destroy ending? No, I don't think so.
Is it impossible to survive it? Clearly not.

[RavenEyry]

Stop saying the citadel was destroyed MB because Hanar is right about that at least.

[masster blaster]

Hanar your thinking the whole citadel blows up, yet we are saying the center part does, as does some other parts of the citadel. Heck 1 of the arms falls off.

[Restrider]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Except that certain some-one forgets 3 very important things:

1) You know the length of the Citadel, but not the mass. It's the mass of the Citadel that matters.

2) Not every single part of the Citadel is explosive.

3) We clearly see that the Citadel doesn't completely blow up. Especially in the EC this is very clear. The Citadel merely gets damaged.


So yeah, those numbers don't make any sense and are completely worthless. I'm sorry.

Check out the calculations. Of course this is just on-the-fly number crunching but regardless, the energy would kill Shepard at ground zero.
Furthermore the Presidium and Wards are damaged and known to consist of one of the most durable materials in the galaxy.

[Diurdi]

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar bs.

If a force field is around the Citadel tower, then that means the blast happence inside. If you say it happence outside, then that's dum. Also you forget if the Reapers Destroy the nuke silos on Earth, then that means they fear it as a threat. So if Reapers fear nuks, which Dreadnoughts have tiwice the fire power on the atom bom droped on hiroshima, then ...

Loos at the Citadel, and times that by a thousand. I mean come on a part of the Citadel arms still falls off. That's some fire power. And the huge blast radius is inside the Citadel.

Do you think nukes in 2186 are as weak as they are today? The nukes the reapers "fear" would be much more powerful than anything dreadnoughts would have.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

If a force field is around the Citadel tower, then that means the blast happence inside. If you say it happence outside, then that's dum.

No, it's not dumb. The explosions happen on the inside of the wards and the top of the Citadel tower. Shepard is on the outside of the Citadel and the other side of the Citadel tower, the bottom.

Also you forget if the Reapers Destroy the nuke silos on Earth, then that means they fear it as a threat. So if Reapers fear nuks, which Dreadnoughts have tiwice the fire power on the atom bom droped on hiroshima, then ...

Irrelevant.

I mean come on a part of the Citadel arms still falls off. That's some fire power. And the huge blast radius is inside the Citadel.

Not true. The arms don't fall off in the Extended Cut. This can even be clearly observed in one of the slides from the Destroy slideshow.

And indeed, the explosions are on the inside of the Citadel (the side facing towards us), Shepard is on the outside (the side facing away from us).