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[hukbum]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I'm just saying that I managed to make sense of the endings from a literal perspective and to me my explanation seems more reasonable and more likely to be true than the Indoctrination Theory. But as you said, that is just my opinion, my intepretation.

Worked a diffrent way for me. Literal the whole catalyst-dialogue makes no sense for me. Literal the end of ME3 stands outside of the story I played.
What I like about IT is that it works with the story itself. Sure there are some pictures discussed and some wild theories arround here sometimes, but the main concept works. And - funny thing - it can't be proven wrong.
I don't know if this was BWs intention (and maybe we'll never know), but it adds a lot of replayability for me.

[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

If a force field is around the Citadel tower, then that means the blast happence inside. If you say it happence outside, then that's dum.

No, it's not dumb. The explosions happen on the inside of the wards and the top of the Citadel tower. Shepard is on the outside of the Citadel and the other side of the Citadel tower, the bottom.

Also you forget if the Reapers Destroy the nuke silos on Earth, then that means they fear it as a threat. So if Reapers fear nuks, which Dreadnoughts have tiwice the fire power on the atom bom droped on hiroshima, then ...

Irrelevant.

I mean come on a part of the Citadel arms still falls off. That's some fire power. And the huge blast radius is inside the Citadel.

Not true. The arms don't fall off in the Extended Cut. This can even be clearly observed in one of the slides from the Destroy slideshow.

And indeed, the explosions are on the inside of the Citadel (the side facing towards us), Shepard is on the outside (the side facing away from us).

err shep wakes up on earth.  you know by the beam.

[The Heretic of Time]

hukbum wrote...

Worked a diffrent way for me. Literal the whole catalyst-dialogue makes no sense for me. Literal the end of ME3 stands outside of the story I played.

Why is it that it doesn't make sense to you? I think if you look at it from my perspective (check my first post from today where I voiced my intepretation) it actually does make sense.

What I like about IT is that it works with the story itself. Sure there are some pictures discussed and some wild theories arround here sometimes, but the main concept works. And - funny thing - it can't be proven wrong.

It's a theory based on fiction and build in such a way that the theory can always adapt to new information given. Of course such a theory can't be directly proven wrong. That doesn't mean that it's right though.

I hate to compare this to theism again, but it's a good comparison, so I do it anyway:

Gods existence can't be proven wrong either. Doesn't mean that God indeed does exist. I personally believe he doesn't exist.

I don't know if this was BWs intention (and maybe we'll never know), but it adds a lot of replayability for me.

Well if that is the case than more power to you! 

[hukbum]

@masster blaster: It was you who wrote that EMS represents Sheps/Players willpower right?
I love the concept, just because I lack the willpower to send Chackwas to the labs to get the 25 points. 5 trys, always reloaded. ^^

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

err shep wakes up on earth.  you know by the beam.

Says you. Can you prove it?


I think Shepard wakes up on the Citadel. The reasons why I think this is because:  
1) the Citadel doesn't blow up in the EC (which means Shepard could still be there and most likely is) and
2) the cables surrounding Shepard in the breathing scene are exactly the same cables that attached the red tube (from the Destroy ending) to the Citadel.

[BatmanTurian]

So it's official. HH is a troll. He argues an organic being can survive an explosion more powerful than Hiroshima. I will now disregard anything he says.

[masster blaster]

Are you kiding me Hanar. Look back at ME1. Nazaras body parts went through the sheidls, and I believe firepower that is the times of 100 nukes can go through the sheilds. I think the sheild are ment for breathing, but not what goes in.

Also look at the reapers if they have the same forced sheilds as the Citadel, since it is Reaper made don't you think the Kinetic barries on the Citadel are the same as Reaper's.

Modifié par masster blaster, 01 décembre 2012 - 09:19 .

[The Heretic of Time]

hukbum wrote...

@masster blaster: It was you who wrote that EMS represents Sheps/Players willpower right?
I love the concept, just because I lack the willpower to send Chackwas to the labs to get the 25 points. 5 trys, always reloaded. ^^

Who cares about those 25 points? You'll get plenty enough of EMS to get the breathing scene if you pick Destroy. Even a complete Renegade like me got enough EMS to get the breathing scene.

[The Heretic of Time]

BatmanTurian wrote...

So it's official. HH is a troll. He argues an organic being can survive an explosion more powerful than Hiroshima. I will now disregard anything he says.

It's you who's setting up the strawmen all the time (you do it again here in this post). So who exactly is the troll here?


You seriously need to check up your definitions dude. It seems you don't know what a troll exactly is.

[BatmanTurian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

So it's official. HH is a troll. He argues an organic being can survive an explosion more powerful than Hiroshima. I will now disregard anything he says.

It's you who's setting up the strawmen all the time (you do it again here in this post). So who exactly is the troll here?


You seriously need to check up your definitions dude. It seems you don't know what a troll exactly is.

You are arguing for the impossible. So you are either ignorant, incompetant, or a troll. pick 2.

[RavenEyry]

The closest thing to a plausible explanation is whatever stops Shep suffocating, freezing and boiling simultaneously protects them from the explosion. Denying the explosion looked rather painful is just utterly ludicrous.

[Restrider]

Did not the Crucible blow up in the Destroy ending?
It is not totally obvious, but the explosions start outside of the Wards, where the Crucible is docked and then engulf the whole Presidium.
Shepard stands directly beneath the Crucible.

Modifié par Restrider, 01 décembre 2012 - 09:17 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Anyway, I had my fair share of IT thread today. I originally didn't even want to post here today. But I felt like sharing my little interpretation of the ending anyway. That's what I did and I defended most of the points I made. Staying longer now will only end up in arguing and fights, especially with people like BatmanTurian around who keep setting up strawmen and calling me a troll.

I'm outta here guys. It was nice debating you (well, those of you who actually made a honest attempt at debating me, not the rest). See ya!

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

Did not the Crucible blow up in the Destroy ending?
It is not totally obvious, but the explosions start outside of the Wards, where the Crucible is docked and then engulf the whole Presidium.
Shepard stands directly beneath the Crucible.

like 6-8 feet from it at least.

[BatmanTurian]

Right, I'm pulling up a strawman and you're saying Shepard surviving a massive explosion that should vaporize him/her is legitimate. Whatever you say, kiddo.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 01 décembre 2012 - 09:19 .

[demersel]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Right, I'm pulling up a strawman and you're saying Shepard surviving a massive explosion that should vaporize him/her is legitimate. Whatever you say, kiddo.

You don't understand! There is a force field around all that area - the same one that keeps air and pressure inside!!! 

[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

err shep wakes up on earth.  you know by the beam.

Says you. Can you prove it?


I think Shepard wakes up on the Citadel. The reasons why I think this is because:  
1) the Citadel doesn't blow up in the EC (which means Shepard could still be there and most likely is) and
2) the cables surrounding Shepard in the breathing scene are exactly the same cables that attached the red tube (from the Destroy ending) to the Citadel.

yes.  use your eyes and ears.  he is in concrete rubble.  note CONCRETE as in CONCRETE on EARTH!!  You can clearly make out a MAKO in the background and you can also see white light flickering and hear in the background the sound of THE BEAM.  If he'd have been anywhere near the citadel he'd have either been spaced or in the worst case scenario vaporised when the citadel exploded (yes it does in every ending explode)  

[masster blaster]

Huk yes I wrote it. The ems= Shepard's willpower. Glactic readiness is Shepard's readiness.

[hukbum]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Why is it that it doesn't make sense to you? I think if you look at it from my perspective (check my first post from today where I voiced my intepretation) it actually does make sense.

Quite simple - I proved the damn thing (starbrat, blueboy, clütacast) wrong

And - to add some points:
Final evolution? What?
Conflict is a problem? What?
Synthetics have exactly how often wiped out organics before to come to that conclusion?

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

It's a theory based on fiction and build in such a way that the theory can always adapt to new information given. Of course such a theory can't be directly proven wrong. That doesn't mean that it's right though.

Of course not. And from what I've read here, the people who put brainwork in it know that. But it's kinda awesome to build something like that.

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Gods existence can't be proven wrong either. Doesn't mean that God indeed does exist. I personally believe he doesn't exist.

I don't believe it either. Btw - I think you know the "Can God create a stone heavy enough that he can't lift it anymore?"-question?
Makes "believers" go on into some kind of Bloodrage-Mode

Modifié par hukbum, 01 décembre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Rifneno]

I can't believe the amount of time you guys are willing to waste arguing with that jelly.

[hukbum]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

hukbum wrote...

@masster blaster: It was you who wrote that EMS represents Sheps/Players willpower right?
I love the concept, just because I lack the willpower to send Chackwas to the labs to get the 25 points. 5 trys, always reloaded. ^^

Who cares about those 25 points? You'll get plenty enough of EMS to get the breathing scene if you pick Destroy. Even a complete Renegade like me got enough EMS to get the breathing scene.

I do
Don't know why, I have 7200 from MP so there is no real need for them. But I like the idea.

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

I can't believe the amount of time you guys are willing to waste arguing with that jelly.

It appeared he ignored all the posts he couldn't answer.

[CmdrShep80]

Btw the only reason Shepard really died in ME2 was due to all the punctures in his suit. He had no oxygen. Remember he was crashing through the planet but was trying to keep his suit from leaking out all his air. Yet the Lazerus project still found him mostly intact despite flying through a planet

[RavenEyry]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Btw the only reason Shepard really died in ME2 was due to all the punctures in his suit. He had no oxygen. Remember he was crashing through the planet but was trying to keep his suit from leaking out all his air. Yet the Lazerus project still found him mostly intact despite flying through a planet

Actually it was pretty much pulp inside the suit. Still, without the suit they'd have been a smear across the landscape.

[Eryri]

RavenEyry wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Btw the only reason Shepard really died in ME2 was due to all the punctures in his suit. He had no oxygen. Remember he was crashing through the planet but was trying to keep his suit from leaking out all his air. Yet the Lazerus project still found him mostly intact despite flying through a planet

Actually it was pretty much pulp inside the suit. Still, without the suit they'd have been a smear across the landscape.

Is there any codex information on the planet Shepard crashed on? I could believe him not being totally pulped if it was a world like Saturn's moon Titan - one with low gravity, but an unusually dense, cold atmosphere to slow his fall? I imagine both those factors would reduce his terminal velocity - perhaps someone on the thread who's good at physics would know?