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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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MaximizedAction wrote...

But one may still wonder what the artist's deeper intention was behind suddenly introducing something as scientifically questionably as a star's temperature that changes depending on the players moral choice.

Well you don't see the actual star I believe, just the screen. Could be a filter or not a real star at all.
However, why it changes is still a big question.

EDIT: Now I'm getting :ph34r:'d

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Speaking of TIM's sun, was I the only one surprised to find out that it was an actual, you know, sun? I had always figured that it was a holographic image TIM decided to put in the background to make him seem more mysterious and intimidating... and you have to admit, it did a pretty good job of it.

But the more I think about it, the more I realize that sun should not be able to exist. It's just scientifically not possible, especially with the constantly changing and moving colors and the way it changes depending on your choice at the end of ME2.


Yeah, I never thought it was actually there either.

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dorktainian wrote...

it shouldnt change colour at all.... thats the point.


Hence my theory that TIM is actually a reaper and his office in ME2 is a mental comfort space used for communication - just like the place leviathan takes you into when he wants to talk to you. (note the silluette of TIM+his chair - it is a silluette of a reaper.)  Hence the theory about all QEC being actually connected to reapers, And QEC generally being the way Reapers communicate and control their forces. reapers are huge quantum computers, hardware wise. And that would explain indoctrination - it aligns particles in organic matter via quantum mechanic so it bocemes connected to some point of the reaper via quantum entanglement, and at the same time gain the ability to align nearby particles the same way. Once enough particle in you gets aligned - you start to hear voices and whispers, get new ideas, can speak with the reapers over distance (Arrival ending) etc - the more particles in you gets aligned - the more control over you the reapers have, eventually to the point of direct control. 


Btw, i added screenshots, check it out. 

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MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

That just changes based on the collector base, it's not a good/bad thing.


But one may still wonder what the artist's deeper intention was behind suddenly introducing something as scientifically questionably as a star's temperature that changes depending on the players moral choice.


Also, I cannot unsee TIM's tripod chair and constant leg crossing anymore. :lol:


Well now I can't unsee it either. Does anyone have any brain bleach?

Back on topic - the colour of the star definitely has some symbolism. On one level it might just be a bit of a fourth-wall breaker to signify to the player at the end of ME2 that keeping the collector base was a bad idea or that destroying it was a good idea. It could also be a more subtle hint that not all is as it seems, since what happens is clearly physically impossible.

It might conceivably be foreshadowing for the ME3 ending choices since at low EMS you get only control or destroy depending whether you destroyed or kept the base, yet the colour of the ME2 star is the opposite of the colours for control or destroy.

Or I might be reading too much into it and speculating wildly - we're definitely meant to notice it though.

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Nah, there is security footage of people meeting TIM in person.

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You know, I'm starting to think those so called, "Reaper cables," are no such thing. I say this because you see them in Firebase Hydra in MP. They're found in near that glowing orb-thing you find in the Control room. And I'm pretty sure that's some kind of non-Reaper object. As such, I think it's not a big deal that they're present in the Breath Scene.

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>Come to see whats going on in here
>demersel talking about The Derelict Man and Reapers being connected to all QECs despite that not making any sense again

:(

Modifié par byne, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:25 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

Nah, there is security footage of people meeting TIM in person.

In the intro to ME2 TIM hands a datapad over to a mysterious figure whose abdomen is the only part we can see. Subsequently, the figure walks behind unsuspecting TIM and leaves the room. Or so we are inclined to think...

Modifié par paxxton, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:26 .


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Guys, I added screenshots of the geth ship mission to my post on previous page - check it out.

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heres a blinder. this is shep at the end of mass effect one. notice the sun.

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Dwailing wrote...

You know, I'm starting to think those so called, "Reaper cables," are no such thing. I say this because you see them in Firebase Hydra in MP. They're found in near that glowing orb-thing you find in the Control room. And I'm pretty sure that's some kind of non-Reaper object. As such, I think it's not a big deal that they're present in the Breath Scene.


It might genuinely be a re-used asset. Which would make the whole "reaper cables vs. rebar" argument for the breath scene moot. Hmm...

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byne wrote...

>Come to see whats going on in here
>demersel talking about The Derelict Man and Reapers being connected to all QECs despite that not making any sense again

:(


I can post a video from ME2 that clearly explains what QEC is, and why the way it is in ME3 is impossible.  
It is you who do not understand what QEC is and how it works. 

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byne wrote...

>Come to see whats going on in here
>demersel talking about The Derelict Man and Reapers being connected to all QECs despite that not making any sense again

:(

He also put some interesting shots of the geth dreadnaught.

EDIT: :ph34r: Gah :ph34r:

Modifié par RavenEyry, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:29 .


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heres a blinder. this is shep at the end of mass effect one. notice the sun.

Notice the station. The one where we connect to TIM's office at the beginning of ME2.

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demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

>Come to see whats going on in here
>demersel talking about The Derelict Man and Reapers being connected to all QECs despite that not making any sense again

:(


I can post a video from ME2 that clearly explains what QEC is, and why the way it is in ME3 is impossible.  
It is you who do not understand what QEC is and how it works. 


A QEC creates a particle that is entangled with another particle in another QEC.  It would be entirely possible for it to work the way it does in ME3 if you designed it to create multiple entangled particles.  Also, don't suggest that there's something Byne does not know.  He is all knowing.

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It's just paragon blue in 1 and 2, not eeeeevil blue.

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demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

>Come to see whats going on in here
>demersel talking about The Derelict Man and Reapers being connected to all QECs despite that not making any sense again

:(


I can post a video from ME2 that clearly explains what QEC is, and why the way it is in ME3 is impossible.  
It is you who do not understand what QEC is and how it works. 


I understand perfectly well how a QEC works. Just because a terminal in ME can link to multiple QECs doesnt mean one QEC connects to multiple other QECs.

Its likely such terminals have mutiple individual QECs linked to different places.

Your idea that somehow despite the current cycle personally building the QECs, and entangling the particles themselves, yet somehow the Reapers also get entangled makes no sense.

Dont tell me I dont understand QECs when you are the one saying Reapers somehow magically connected to all QECs, even ones made when the Reapers were still in darkspace. That makes absolutely no sense.

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Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

>Come to see whats going on in here
>demersel talking about The Derelict Man and Reapers being connected to all QECs despite that not making any sense again

:(


I can post a video from ME2 that clearly explains what QEC is, and why the way it is in ME3 is impossible.  
It is you who do not understand what QEC is and how it works. 


A QEC creates a particle that is entangled with another particle in another QEC.  It would be entirely possible for it to work the way it does in ME3 if you designed it to create multiple entangled particles.  Also, don't suggest that there's something Byne does not know.  He is all knowing.

NO, it is impossible to create multiple entangled particles. EPs come only in pairs.

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Dwailing wrote...

 It would be entirely possible for it to work the way it does in ME3 if you designed it to create multiple entangled particles.


I'll have Tricia Helfer explain specifically this part to you in a short while :police:

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byne wrote...
Dont tell me I dont understand QECs when you are the one saying Reapers somehow magically connected to all QECs, even ones made when the Reapers were still in darkspace. That makes absolutely no sense.


Riddle me this - how exactly Harbinger is capable of assuming direct control over collectro, or connecting to collectro general at all, when he himself was way deep in the dark space? :whistle:

And why is that there are yellow hexagons all over collector ship and base, the same ones you can observe cerberus using everywhere in Omega in their tech devices, and the same ones that are in the normandy in the QEC and war room, but blue? 

Modifié par demersel, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:37 .


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demersel wrote...

Riddle me this - how exactly Harbinger is capable of assuming direct control over collectro, or connecting to collectro general at all, when he himself was way deep in the dark space? :whistle:

Not through the Normandy's comms, I can tell you that.

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demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it shouldnt change colour at all.... thats the point.


Hence my theory that TIM is actually a reaper and his office in ME2 is a mental comfort space used for communication - just like the place leviathan takes you into when he wants to talk to you. (note the silluette of TIM+his chair - it is a silluette of a reaper.)  Hence the theory about all QEC being actually connected to reapers, And QEC generally being the way Reapers communicate and control their forces. reapers are huge quantum computers, hardware wise. And that would explain indoctrination - it aligns particles in organic matter via quantum mechanic so it bocemes connected to some point of the reaper via quantum entanglement, and at the same time gain the ability to align nearby particles the same way. Once enough particle in you gets aligned - you start to hear voices and whispers, get new ideas, can speak with the reapers over distance (Arrival ending) etc - the more particles in you gets aligned - the more control over you the reapers have, eventually to the point of direct control. 


Btw, i added screenshots, check it out. 

Indeed, TIM looks as if he had only one leg. As for the changing color of the star, can't there be liguid crystals in between two sheets of glass working as a window?

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paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

>Come to see whats going on in here
>demersel talking about The Derelict Man and Reapers being connected to all QECs despite that not making any sense again

:(


I can post a video from ME2 that clearly explains what QEC is, and why the way it is in ME3 is impossible.  
It is you who do not understand what QEC is and how it works. 


A QEC creates a particle that is entangled with another particle in another QEC.  It would be entirely possible for it to work the way it does in ME3 if you designed it to create multiple entangled particles.  Also, don't suggest that there's something Byne does not know.  He is all knowing.

NO, it is impossible to create multiple entangled particles. EPs come only in pairs.


What I mean is that it's entirely possible for a single QEC to be able to create multiple entangled pairs.

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Great find on the Geth Dreadnought, Demersel.

Not touching the QEC debate with a thirty foot pole.

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paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it shouldnt change colour at all.... thats the point.


Hence my theory that TIM is actually a reaper and his office in ME2 is a mental comfort space used for communication - just like the place leviathan takes you into when he wants to talk to you. (note the silluette of TIM+his chair - it is a silluette of a reaper.)  Hence the theory about all QEC being actually connected to reapers, And QEC generally being the way Reapers communicate and control their forces. reapers are huge quantum computers, hardware wise. And that would explain indoctrination - it aligns particles in organic matter via quantum mechanic so it bocemes connected to some point of the reaper via quantum entanglement, and at the same time gain the ability to align nearby particles the same way. Once enough particle in you gets aligned - you start to hear voices and whispers, get new ideas, can speak with the reapers over distance (Arrival ending) etc - the more particles in you gets aligned - the more control over you the reapers have, eventually to the point of direct control. 


Btw, i added screenshots, check it out. 

Indeed, TIM looks as if he had only one leg. As for the changing color of the star, can't there be liguid crystals in between two sheets of glass working as a window?


I lol'd.  No!

A star does not change it's colour.  now i could understand it if it's a different star but 'look at the star'  it is clearly changing colour from red to blue.  This is a fact.  you could say it's the gfx guys in the game got it wrong but to me there is a purpose as to why it changes colour.  What that is who knows?  maybe reading too much into it but i dont think so.