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[byne]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...
Dont tell me I dont understand QECs when you are the one saying Reapers somehow magically connected to all QECs, even ones made when the Reapers were still in darkspace. That makes absolutely no sense.

Riddle me this - how exactly Harbinger is capable of assuming direct control over collectro, or connecting to collectro general at all, when he himself was way deep in the dark space? 

That isnt the point at all demersel. I'm not saying the Reapers dont use their own version of QECs. I'm sure they do. I'm saying they arent magically linked to everyone else's QECs as well.

Everytime we have this argument, you bring up the fact that the Reapers also use QECs like it somehow proves your point.

Its like saying that since I use a cellphone, and you use a cellphone, I can definitely monitor every call you make. Thats not the way it works, and I'm tired of you acting like it somehow helps your case.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

>Come to see whats going on in here
>demersel talking about The Derelict Man and Reapers being connected to all QECs despite that not making any sense again

I can post a video from ME2 that clearly explains what QEC is, and why the way it is in ME3 is impossible.  
It is you who do not understand what QEC is and how it works. 

A QEC creates a particle that is entangled with another particle in another QEC.  It would be entirely possible for it to work the way it does in ME3 if you designed it to create multiple entangled particles.  Also, don't suggest that there's something Byne does not know.  He is all knowing.

NO, it is impossible to create multiple entangled particles. EPs come only in pairs.

What I mean is that it's entirely possible for a single QEC to be able to create multiple entangled pairs.

Exactly. Just because there is one console dosent mean there is only one entagled pair connected. Not knowing the size of the actual entangling part we have no idea how much space it fills and thus no idea how many can be in close proximity.

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Great find on the Geth Dreadnought, Demersel.

Not touching the QEC debate with a thirty foot pole.

Neither was I . It wasn't me who brought up whole TIM thing anyway. 

I just want to discuss the geth dreadnought thing. 

[Dwailing]

dorktainian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it shouldnt change colour at all.... thats the point.

Hence my theory that TIM is actually a reaper and his office in ME2 is a mental comfort space used for communication - just like the place leviathan takes you into when he wants to talk to you. (note the silluette of TIM+his chair - it is a silluette of a reaper.)  Hence the theory about all QEC being actually connected to reapers, And QEC generally being the way Reapers communicate and control their forces. reapers are huge quantum computers, hardware wise. And that would explain indoctrination - it aligns particles in organic matter via quantum mechanic so it bocemes connected to some point of the reaper via quantum entanglement, and at the same time gain the ability to align nearby particles the same way. Once enough particle in you gets aligned - you start to hear voices and whispers, get new ideas, can speak with the reapers over distance (Arrival ending) etc - the more particles in you gets aligned - the more control over you the reapers have, eventually to the point of direct control. 


Btw, i added screenshots, check it out. 

Indeed, TIM looks as if he had only one leg. As for the changing color of the star, can't there be liguid crystals in between two sheets of glass working as a window?

I lol'd.  No!

A star does not change it's colour.  now i could understand it if it's a different star but 'look at the star'  it is clearly changing colour from red to blue.  This is a fact.  you could say it's the gfx guys in the game got it wrong but to me there is a purpose as to why it changes colour.  What that is who knows?  maybe reading too much into it but i dont think so.

Maybe the star was meant to be taken purely symbolically, without any kind of scientific explanation.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Man, that topic about 'indoctrinating Shepard doesn't make sense'....

I posted the codex entry on indoctrination that explains how subverting military or political leaders can bring down nations etcetera, and all I get is handwaving and 'that codex entry doesn't make sense'.

People are handwaving everything at this point. But no, IT-ers are in denial!

Kill me.

Kill me now.

[demersel]

 Let's have the nice pretty woman explain the science to us all. 
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par demersel, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:45 .

[byne]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Man, that topic about 'indoctrinating Shepard doesn't make sense'....

I posted the codex entry on indoctrination that explains how subverting military or political leaders can bring down nations etcetera, and all I get is handwaving and 'that codex entry doesn't make sense'.

People are handwaving everything at this point. But no, IT-ers are in denial!

Kill me.

Kill me now.

What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?

[paxxton]

dorktainian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it shouldnt change colour at all.... thats the point.

Hence my theory that TIM is actually a reaper and his office in ME2 is a mental comfort space used for communication - just like the place leviathan takes you into when he wants to talk to you. (note the silluette of TIM+his chair - it is a silluette of a reaper.)  Hence the theory about all QEC being actually connected to reapers, And QEC generally being the way Reapers communicate and control their forces. reapers are huge quantum computers, hardware wise. And that would explain indoctrination - it aligns particles in organic matter via quantum mechanic so it bocemes connected to some point of the reaper via quantum entanglement, and at the same time gain the ability to align nearby particles the same way. Once enough particle in you gets aligned - you start to hear voices and whispers, get new ideas, can speak with the reapers over distance (Arrival ending) etc - the more particles in you gets aligned - the more control over you the reapers have, eventually to the point of direct control. 


Btw, i added screenshots, check it out. 

Indeed, TIM looks as if he had only one leg. As for the changing color of the star, can't there be liguid crystals in between two sheets of glass working as a window?

I lol'd.  No!

A star does not change it's colour.  now i could understand it if it's a different star but 'look at the star'  it is clearly changing colour from red to blue.  This is a fact.  you could say it's the gfx guys in the game got it wrong but to me there is a purpose as to why it changes colour.  What that is who knows?  maybe reading too much into it but i dont think so.

I meant that the color changing effect is a visual cue of window dimming. Liquid crystals rotate and block some wavelengths while allowing others to pass.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:47 .

[hukbum]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Kill me.

Be careful with whishes like that while using a batarian avatar

[Restrider]

To add to the Derelict Man Theory discussion:
This should explain the QEC on the Normandy.

[dorktainian]

wouldnt like to say to be honest. dont know either way.

[DoomsdayDevice]

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Man, that topic about 'indoctrinating Shepard doesn't make sense'....

I posted the codex entry on indoctrination that explains how subverting military or political leaders can bring down nations etcetera, and all I get is handwaving and 'that codex entry doesn't make sense'.

People are handwaving everything at this point. But no, IT-ers are in denial!

Kill me.

Kill me now.

What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?

Yeah, you don't get it, byne. Indoctrination is just a cheap plot device. It was never put to good use in the game.

[byne]

demersel wrote...

 Let's have the nice pretty woman explain the science to us all. 
www.youtube.com/watch

"To contact a hundred different worlds, we would need to manufacture and install a hundred different pairs."

Thank you for proving that Dwailing was right. Thats exactly what he said they did.

[dorktainian]

regarding QEC.

mass effect 2



mass effect 3

i'd say there was a difference there.

[byne]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

byne wrote...


What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?

Yeah, you don't get it, byne. Indoctrination is just a cheap plot device. It was never put to good use in the game.

I once used that quote, and a literalist told me BioWare would never implement that in any of their games. I kind of hope for his sake that he was trolling.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Let's have the nice pretty woman explain the science to us all. 
www.youtube.com/watch

"To contact a hundred different worlds, we would need to manufacture and install a hundred different pairs."

Thank you for proving that Dwailing was right. Thats exactly what he said they did.

Also isent there a quote that advancements in the technology made QEC´s cheaper and more widespread in the 6 months between ME2 and ME3?

[MWMike2011]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

inconsiderate rick wrote...

twitter.com/Sjosz/status/272153318275571712
"Working on [redacted] instead of [redacted2] today, despite me thinking I'd get to [redacted2]. Ended up having to help out with [redacted3]"

Not to put a damper on any expectations, but Jos clarified that all of the incidences of [redacted] were elements of the same project, not three separate DLCs. Click the link Vertigo_1 originally provided above and find Jos's most recent response in the comment section for confirmation.

Fair enough, I never followed up with it. Still, even if there aren't 3 more for sure coming, there are at least 2, the one that is QA, "Citadel" or whatever they are calling it, and the one with all the writers working on it...

And to completely quash it, that tweet refers to several different things that are all part of the same bigger thing. Can't/won't comment on what any of it is (yet), but I cover quite a few different things, so those [redacted]s referred to different things I do. Sorry for the confusion! (and let me throw an extra curve ball in your speculations that writers and QA can be working on the same thing at the same time as well)

Well, this kind of puts a minor damper on things. I guess they are only working on just 1 DLC at the moment, but it is the one that everyone is working on and is in QA. So, most likely, it will not be out before the end of the year, but I'm banking more and more on Anniversary/Citadel DLC...

[demersel]

Restrider wrote...

To add to the Derelict Man Theory discussion:
This should explain the QEC on the Normandy.

Right, that only proves the point. Let's use state of the art vessel build by our stated enemy, whose methods are terrorism, spying and covert ops, filled with mysterious tech, which we don't really understand in addidion to all sorts of known bugs and listening devices, and which we only got like few moths ago, as a command and comm for our entire fleet. That is not suspicius at all. No, not at all. 

There was once this city of Ilium.... You might have heard of its fate...
  

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Let's have the nice pretty woman explain the science to us all. 
www.youtube.com/watch

"To contact a hundred different worlds, we would need to manufacture and install a hundred different pairs."

Thank you for proving that Dwailing was right. Thats exactly what he said they did.

And since I pointed out a few posts above, the Normandy has got state-of-the-art QECs installed in ME3. The reason for that is, because it should've been used as a mobile command center. And command centers need to have exceptionally good communication devices!

[byne]

dorktainian wrote...

regarding QEC.

*snip*

mass effect 2

*snip*

mass effect 3

i'd say there was a difference there.

I really doubt the ME2 one was a QEC. Theres no point installing a QEC in an embassy when the council is just up in the tower. The communication would be instant just over regular channels. Having a QEC for that would be like me going outside, getting in my car, and driving 10 feet to my mailbox to get the mail. I could just walk there and be equally as effective.

[Lokanaiya]

Dwailing wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it shouldnt change colour at all.... thats the point.

Hence my theory that TIM is actually a reaper and his office in ME2 is a mental comfort space used for communication - just like the place leviathan takes you into when he wants to talk to you. (note the silluette of TIM+his chair - it is a silluette of a reaper.)  Hence the theory about all QEC being actually connected to reapers, And QEC generally being the way Reapers communicate and control their forces. reapers are huge quantum computers, hardware wise. And that would explain indoctrination - it aligns particles in organic matter via quantum mechanic so it bocemes connected to some point of the reaper via quantum entanglement, and at the same time gain the ability to align nearby particles the same way. Once enough particle in you gets aligned - you start to hear voices and whispers, get new ideas, can speak with the reapers over distance (Arrival ending) etc - the more particles in you gets aligned - the more control over you the reapers have, eventually to the point of direct control. 


Btw, i added screenshots, check it out. 

Indeed, TIM looks as if he had only one leg. As for the changing color of the star, can't there be liguid crystals in between two sheets of glass working as a window?

I lol'd.  No!

A star does not change it's colour.  now i could understand it if it's a different star but 'look at the star'  it is clearly changing colour from red to blue.  This is a fact.  you could say it's the gfx guys in the game got it wrong but to me there is a purpose as to why it changes colour.  What that is who knows?  maybe reading too much into it but i dont think so.

Maybe the star was meant to be taken purely symbolically, without any kind of scientific explanation.

.... I'm pretty sure that would bring the grand total of "scientifically impossible but it doesn't matter" things in Mass Effect up to a total of 2. With Synthesis being the other.

[dorktainian]

Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Let's have the nice pretty woman explain the science to us all. 
www.youtube.com/watch

"To contact a hundred different worlds, we would need to manufacture and install a hundred different pairs."

Thank you for proving that Dwailing was right. Thats exactly what he said they did.

And since I pointed out a few posts above, the Normandy has got state-of-the-art QECs installed in ME3. The reason for that is, because it should've been used as a mobile command center. And command centers need to have exceptionally good communication devices!

 yep......blue ones.  

[byne]

demersel wrote...

Restrider wrote...

To add to the Derelict Man Theory discussion:
This should explain the QEC on the Normandy.

Right, that only proves the point. Let's use state of the art vessel build by our stated enemy, whose methods are terrorism, spying and covert ops, filled with mysterious tech, which we don't really understand in addidion to all sorts of known bugs and listening devices, and which we only got like few moths ago, as a command and comm for our entire fleet. That is not suspicius at all. No, not at all. 

There was once this city of Ilium.... You might have heard of its fate...

You realize that part of the reason for the retrofit was to get rid of all Cerberus tech on the ship, right? And you're acting like we're just using QECs we found lying around on board. We specifically manufactured them for the ship. They werent there already.

Not sure what your point about Illium is.

[demersel]

And yet you choose to completly disregard the part where it says, that each particle pair costs more than an entire comm relay.

And those pictures of the council are beside the point - it is just a holographic projection.

Output system =/= information transfer method.

You could text with a QEC just as easily - it does not have to be a holographic projection.
And the same goes the other way - A holographic projection does not mean it is a QEC.

[Restrider]

Do you really think the color of a holoprojector has anything to do with the actual method to transport information?
It's like saying that when I use video-chats via Skype, they are either blue (Wifi) or red (cable)...