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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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mass perfection wrote...

What does Shepard do when he wakes up mortally wounded to a bunch of Sovereign class Reapers and Harbinger with no backup or people to call on?


No one knows for sure. Ideas, yeah, but that's truly speculation. It would be as if ME1 ended right here, or ME2 ended right here.


mass perfection wrote...

Shouldn't Shepard wake up in each ending?In Control and Synthesis he should wake up indoctrinated to serve the Reapers and in Destroy,he wakes to destroy the Reapers.


That's right, but general consensus is that the breath scene is symbolic of Shepard waking up as himself, unchanged. Indoctrinated Shepard means the real Shepard is dead, like Anakin becoming Vader.

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Lets hope that the next "Secretive" DLC will include better squaddie interactions. That was pitiful in Omega.

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401 Kill wrote...

Bioware has done this before. Why is it such a stretch to believe they did something similar for ME?


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Just thought that was interesting to see how choices in past Bioware endings compare to ME3's.

Wow. Wow. I mean that isn't the only time Bioware has not that either! Why are people so doubtful that they could do it here. Ridiculous. And he's all about keeping balance and says if you kill him the problem will still exist. Then he attempts to convince you to kill yourself to create a grand utopia. In reality it's a trick and everyone in the utopia is indoctrinated?

Really people good dam it.
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mass perfection wrote...

Shouldn't Shepard wake up in each ending?In Control and Synthesis he should wake up indoctrinated to serve the Reapers and in Destroy,he wakes to destroy the Reapers.


That would make it far, far too obvious.  Part of IT is that BioWare is not merely indoctrinating Shepard, but is also indoctrinating the players, too.  And based on some of the threads that I've seen, they've definitely succeeded.

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mass perfection wrote...

Shouldn't Shepard wake up in each ending?In Control and Synthesis he should wake up indoctrinated to serve the Reapers and in Destroy,he wakes to destroy the Reapers.


Sure, if they wanted to be completely obvious about what happened.

They didnt, so Shepard doesnt wake up in the two endings where she is disintegrated.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Bioware has done this before. Why is it such a stretch to believe they did something similar for ME?


John Walden wrote...
Just thought that was interesting to see how choices in past Bioware endings compare to ME3's.

Wow. Wow. I mean that isn't the only time Bioware has not that either! Why are people so doubtful that they could do it here. Ridiculous. And he's all about keeping balance and says if you kill him the problem will still exist. Then he attempts to convince you to kill yourself to create a grand utopia. In reality it's a trick and everyone in the utopia is indoctrinated?

Really people good dam it.
- MassterBlaster

We have got to save that post so anybody who questions Bioware's capacity to even come up with IT will have no answer when confronted with that.

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401 Kill wrote...

Lets hope that the next "Secretive" DLC will include better squaddie interactions. That was pitiful in Omega.

Well, yeah. None is pitiful ineed. Posted Image

@Mass Perfection Basically what you and Blur said. It would make the most sense that you could wake up in all endings but any number of things could happen from there. Maybe you could be saved in control or refuse? Maybe not. The possibilities are limitless!

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Bioware has done this before. Why is it such a stretch to believe they did something similar for ME?


John Walden wrote...
Just thought that was interesting to see how choices in past Bioware endings compare to ME3's.

Wow. Wow. I mean that isn't the only time Bioware has not that either! Why are people so doubtful that they could do it here. Ridiculous. And he's all about keeping balance and says if you kill him the problem will still exist. Then he attempts to convince you to kill yourself to create a grand utopia. In reality it's a trick and everyone in the utopia is indoctrinated?

Really people good dam it.
- MassterBlaster

We have got to save that post so anybody who questions Bioware's capacity to even come up with IT will have no answer when confronted with that.


If only we had some place to save awesome posts...

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byne wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Shouldn't Shepard wake up in each ending?In Control and Synthesis he should wake up indoctrinated to serve the Reapers and in Destroy,he wakes to destroy the Reapers.


Sure, if they wanted to be completely obvious about what happened.

They didnt, so Shepard doesnt wake up in the two endings where she is disintegrated.

Yeah, only the one where Shepard is blown up;).

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Bioware has done this before. Why is it such a stretch to believe they did something similar for ME?


John Walden wrote...
Just thought that was interesting to see how choices in past Bioware endings compare to ME3's.

Wow. Wow. I mean that isn't the only time Bioware has not that either! Why are people so doubtful that they could do it here. Ridiculous. And he's all about keeping balance and says if you kill him the problem will still exist. Then he attempts to convince you to kill yourself to create a grand utopia. In reality it's a trick and everyone in the utopia is indoctrinated?

Really people good dam it.
- MassterBlaster

We have got to save that post so anybody who questions Bioware's capacity to even come up with IT will have no answer when confronted with that.

Way ahead of you. I'll pop it into my Wall thread along with some of my more recent saves. If anyone needs it, it will be there. Posted Image

@Dwailing/Byne How could it not be obvious after they release a DLC about it? If it's going to be obvious, they better have endings for control/synthesis so I can laugh at them.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Dwailing/Byne How could it not be obvious after they release a DLC about it? If it's going to be obvious, they better have endings for control/synthesis so I can laugh at them.


I'm saying they didnt want to be too obvious about it right out of the gate. Of course they dont need to worry about being obvious after releasing an IT DLC.

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Or better, listen to Harbinger laughing!

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When do you guys think IT DLC will be released?Will it be free?Do you believe the leaked DLC timetable/schedule?

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mass perfection wrote...

When do you guys think IT DLC will be released?Will it be free?Do you believe the leaked DLC timetable/schedule?


I'm about 75% certain that there will be an IT DLC some time next year.  As for its price, I'd like it if it was free, but this IS EA we're talking about.  As for the leaked DLC timetable/schedule, if you're referring to the Citadel DLC, then yes, I believe that's what we'll be seeing next.

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Dwailing wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

When do you guys think IT DLC will be released?Will it be free?Do you believe the leaked DLC timetable/schedule?


I'm about 75% certain that there will be an IT DLC some time next year.  As for its price, I'd like it if it was free, but this IS EA we're talking about.  As for the leaked DLC timetable/schedule, if you're referring to the Citadel DLC, then yes, I believe that's what we'll be seeing next.

Why did the Catalyst not talk about the designers of the Crucible?

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mass perfection wrote...

When do you guys think IT DLC will be released?Will it be free?Do you believe the leaked DLC timetable/schedule?

March 5th, 2013. Posted Image

One year minus one day anniversary DLC. Because hey, they wrapped it up within one year!

@Everyone I put the Jade Empire quote into my Wall Doc as well as some others. Click to see if you need it.

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mass perfection wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

When do you guys think IT DLC will be released?Will it be free?Do you believe the leaked DLC timetable/schedule?


I'm about 75% certain that there will be an IT DLC some time next year.  As for its price, I'd like it if it was free, but this IS EA we're talking about.  As for the leaked DLC timetable/schedule, if you're referring to the Citadel DLC, then yes, I believe that's what we'll be seeing next.

Why did the Catalyst not talk about the designers of the Crucible?

I thought he did talk about the reapers. Posted Image

Good question.

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What scarys me the most is that if Bioware did not plan IT, then a lot of players became Indoctrinated. I mean 1 it was like I can Control them/s ave everyone. Then it was They are just doing their job. What's wrong with that. Then It was I can't kill the Reapers. Who ever kills the Reapers is a very bad person. Now it's the Reapers are the good guys, and we were the bad guys. How could we try to stop them from protecting us.

Honest I hope Bioware planed IT, but I think they did because if Byne, and a few others saw that the endings off, and dream like. Then Bioware has nothing to worry about. Yet I believe them that they did plan IT because just look at Leviathan. That was like a confirm that everything can/could be happening in Shepard's head/ endings/ the brat are fake. Plus Leviathan takes the form of Ann, and creates Brysons lab table from Shepard's memorys, as well as the people he/she has meet.

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Guys!

That computer panel on Omega!

BRDG-CNTR-WRNG

Bridge centre wrong?

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys!

That computer panel on Omega!

BRDG-CNTR-WRNG

Bridge center wrong?

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys!

That computer panel on Omega!

BRDG-CNTR-WRNG

Bridge centre wrong?

Posted Image


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Mind = Blown

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys!

That computer panel on Omega!

BRDG-CNTR-WRNG

Bridge center wrong?

Posted Image

Haha. Hahahahahamaybe.

Hey DD. Just realized I didn't do the challenge yet. Wanna play MP for a bit anyone?

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mass perfection wrote...
What does Shepard do when he wakes up mortally wounded to a bunch of Sovereign class Reapers and Harbinger with no backup or people to call on?


That when the Rachni do as advertised and make a huge impact on the ending sequence.

Or Wrex and Grunt leading the Krogan.

Or the Geth Primes.

Or Javik and the rest of your crew come to the rescue.

If you don't have any of the multitude of things that can come and help Shepard after Shepard was there to help them, then you were metagaming to have the worst possible save and get your reward - the Reapers winning, and Shepard bleeding out in front of Harbinger as he gloats.

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What about Bridge-Centre-Warning?



Five more to go...

Modifié par 401 Kill, 03 décembre 2012 - 03:56 .


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How big is Harbinger compared to a normal Capital ship?