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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys!

That computer panel on Omega!

BRDG-CNTR-WRNG

Bridge centre wrong?

Posted Image

Haha. Hahahahahamaybe.

Hey DD. Just realized I didn't do the challenge yet. Wanna play MP for a bit anyone?


I could make time for one game, just one. Need to do stuff tomorrow. Bleh.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 03 décembre 2012 - 03:59 .


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401 Kill wrote...

What about Bridge-Centre-Warning?



Five more to go...


There's one N too many in warning for that to work. Can leave only the vowels out. (At least, if you want to be consistent)

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Bioware has done this before. Why is it such a stretch to believe they did something similar for ME?


John Walden wrote...
Just thought that was interesting to see how choices in past Bioware endings compare to ME3's.

Wow. Wow. I mean that isn't the only time Bioware has not that either! Why are people so doubtful that they could do it here. Ridiculous. And he's all about keeping balance and says if you kill him the problem will still exist. Then he attempts to convince you to kill yourself to create a grand utopia. In reality it's a trick and everyone in the utopia is indoctrinated?

Really people good dam it.
- MassterBlaster

We have got to save that post so anybody who questions Bioware's capacity to even come up with IT will have no answer when confronted with that.

Thank you. I'm glad people like my post, it took me a half hour to copy all that dialogue. (I'm a slow typer:P)

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys!

That computer panel on Omega!

BRDG-CNTR-WRNG

Bridge centre wrong?


Haha. Hahahahahamaybe.

Hey DD. Just realized I didn't do the challenge yet. Wanna play MP for a bit anyone?


I could make time for one game, just one. Need to do stuff tomorrow. Bleh.



Online in a sec. Posted Image 401 if you want to come you can.

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John Walden wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Bioware has done this before. Why is it such a stretch to believe they did something similar for ME?


John Walden wrote...
Just thought that was interesting to see how choices in past Bioware endings compare to ME3's.

Wow. Wow. I mean that isn't the only time Bioware has not that either! Why are people so doubtful that they could do it here. Ridiculous. And he's all about keeping balance and says if you kill him the problem will still exist. Then he attempts to convince you to kill yourself to create a grand utopia. In reality it's a trick and everyone in the utopia is indoctrinated?

Really people good dam it.
- MassterBlaster

We have got to save that post so anybody who questions Bioware's capacity to even come up with IT will have no answer when confronted with that.

Thank you. I'm glad people like my post, it took me a half hour to copy all that dialogue. (I'm a slow typer:P)

Ah, the man himself appears! Well done. Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote..

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Guys!
That computer panel on Omega
BRDG-CNTR-WRNG
Bridge centre wrong?

Haha. Hahahahahamaybe.

Hey DD. Just realized I didn't do the challenge yet. Wanna play MP for a bit anyone?[/quote
I could make time for one game, just one. Need to do stuff tomorrow. Bleh.

Online in a sec. Posted Image 401 if you want to come you can.

I do, but sadly, it is extremely late:crying:. The only reason I am still awake now is because I like to stay up later on Sundays. Maybe next time.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 03 décembre 2012 - 04:11 .


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mass perfection wrote...

How big is Harbinger compared to a normal Capital ship?


I believe he's identical except for the yellow eyes and lack of a middle tentacle.

Also not that some of the stuff we talk about in here is stretching things to the point of sometimes being a joke. It's because almost all the important stuff was found and discussed ages ago.

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I loved Jade Empire! I'm glad it could support IT :P

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>playing the suicide mission
>Jacob says "Practically a suicide mission. I volunteer."

Stop tempting me, Jacob.

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mass perfection wrote...

How big is Harbinger compared to a normal Capital ship?


I'm guessing a bit larger, but not THAT much larger.  I mean, he's the original, so odds are he's going to be the biggest (You know, by the logic of games which states that old=big and things get smaller as time goes on which really doesn't seem to happen all that much in real life, but whatever.).

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, things DO seem to get smaller in real life... just as often as things get bigger.  Really no pattern, come to think of it.  Gah, curse you humanity and your unpredicability. :pinched::lol:

Modifié par Dwailing, 03 décembre 2012 - 04:14 .


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John Walden wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Bioware has done this before. Why is it such a stretch to believe they did something similar for ME?


John Walden wrote...
Just thought that was interesting to see how choices in past Bioware endings compare to ME3's.

Wow. Wow. I mean that isn't the only time Bioware has not that either! Why are people so doubtful that they could do it here. Ridiculous. And he's all about keeping balance and says if you kill him the problem will still exist. Then he attempts to convince you to kill yourself to create a grand utopia. In reality it's a trick and everyone in the utopia is indoctrinated?

Really people good dam it.
- MassterBlaster

We have got to save that post so anybody who questions Bioware's capacity to even come up with IT will have no answer when confronted with that.

Thank you. I'm glad people like my post, it took me a half hour to copy all that dialogue. (I'm a slow typer:P)


Thanks for that, I've never played any Bioware games other than the ME series, and I'd only heard that there was some twist where your mentor kills you. Seeing this makes it much more relevant!

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So, throwing my two cents in, mainly because I'm wanting to stay involved in this Mark before they close it down for length...

I'm very much hoping the next DLC is much more massive than Omega was. Certainly appears to be, with Hendriks and all the writers collaborating on it. Still, though. Can't wait for it. Hoping for more IT goodness.

Anyway, slight tangent... how do you guys feel about the VERY GOOD possibility of ME4 being on next gen Xbox?

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byne wrote...

>playing the suicide mission
>Jacob says "Practically a suicide mission. I volunteer."

Stop tempting me, Jacob.

Deja vu, I know I've heard that before.

If you pick him it's funny because he struggles to close a door and takes a Rocket to the face and dies.

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MWMike2011 wrote...

So, throwing my two cents in, mainly because I'm wanting to stay involved in this Mark before they close it down for length...

I'm very much hoping the next DLC is much more massive than Omega was. Certainly appears to be, with Hendriks and all the writers collaborating on it. Still, though. Can't wait for it. Hoping for more IT goodness.

Anyway, slight tangent... how do you guys feel about the VERY GOOD possibility of ME4 being on next gen Xbox?


The fact that ME4 is on the Frostbite engine does seem to suggest that a next gen release for ME4 is a good possibility.

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Yknow, I never noticed it before, but Kasumi's picture for the suicide mission choices thing looks weird. Whats up with her makeup?

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Also, her eyes are... interesting.

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Dwailing wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

So, throwing my two cents in, mainly because I'm wanting to stay involved in this Mark before they close it down for length...

I'm very much hoping the next DLC is much more massive than Omega was. Certainly appears to be, with Hendriks and all the writers collaborating on it. Still, though. Can't wait for it. Hoping for more IT goodness.

Anyway, slight tangent... how do you guys feel about the VERY GOOD possibility of ME4 being on next gen Xbox?


The fact that ME4 is on the Frostbite engine does seem to suggest that a next gen release for ME4 is a good possibility.

If the endings of ME3 are left the same, I don't think I will be "acquiring" ME4 no matter what they do.

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Guys....Shepard bleeding out from a random gun shot wound that Shepard never had...

Harbinger knocks Shepard out/messes Shepard the F up. Now since Harbinger can't Indoctrinate Shepard the old fashion way. Wounding Shepard/ weakening his/her mind is the best thing to do..

1. Harbinger comes down and land near the Conduit beam. Thus puts fear into Shepard. Shepard: Harbinger?

2. Harbinger takes out his/her squadmates. Either killing them or not. Causes Shepard's mind to weaken now that the ones Shepard loves are endanger.

3. Harbinger one shots everyone soldier/ Mako/ Gunship. Causeing Shepard's mind to think " I am not going to make it"

4. When Harbinger has Shepard alone he makes the final push to weaken Shepard. Thus fires his beam at Shepard.

5. As Shepard wakes up thousand of dead soldiers are around the conduit beam. Symbolising that Shepard's willpower has been crushed.

6. The Reaper forces are parts of Shepard alreay indoctrinated from the three dreams Shepard has had. Thus they try to weaken Shepard to get Shepard to fall under Reaper Indoctrination.

7. When we enter the citadle we enter Shepard's mind. In a sense the Conduit is The gate way into Shepard's mind. The dark hallway is Shepard's corrupt mind. Hence it's dark, death is everywhere, and blood dripping the wall/cables.

8. Anderson ( Shepard's main willpower) follows Shepard into his/her mind to protect him/her. Yet Harbinger sense this, and thus creates TIM ( the already Indoctrinated part of Shepard) to stop Shepard and Anderson.

9. When TIM dies, that part of Shepard's mind is gone.

10. As Anderson talk about " It's been years since I sat down and rest." He could mean that. You have to think Shepard has been fighting Indoctrination for a long time. Yes he/she had no signs of Indoctrination in ME1, and ME2, but from letting the Reapers into Shepard's mind. In a sense Anderson as been protecting Shepard for so long, but now it's time for Shepard's willpower to rest.

When Anderson dies Shepard starts to bleed out fast.Could be that now that Anderson ( Shepard's willpower) is gone. Shepard's body can't keep his/her mind in tact, thus the final stage is set.

11. If you notice when Shepard talks to the brat. Shepard is more acceptable to it's words. Look at Destroy. If brat says bad things will come/ happen in Destroy. Shepard says " There has to be another way." The brat then tells Shepard about Control, and synthesis, and if you listen to Shepard. He/she agrees that ya it's not that bad. " But there will be peace. But the Reapers will obye me." God child : Yes.

Modifié par masster blaster, 03 décembre 2012 - 04:28 .


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Arashi08 wrote...

I loved Jade Empire! I'm glad it could support IT :P


Jade Empire is great, it's sad that it seems to be Bioware's most forgotten game.

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Dwailing wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

So, throwing my two cents in, mainly because I'm wanting to stay involved in this Mark before they close it down for length...

I'm very much hoping the next DLC is much more massive than Omega was. Certainly appears to be, with Hendriks and all the writers collaborating on it. Still, though. Can't wait for it. Hoping for more IT goodness.

Anyway, slight tangent... how do you guys feel about the VERY GOOD possibility of ME4 being on next gen Xbox?


The fact that ME4 is on the Frostbite engine does seem to suggest that a next gen release for ME4 is a good possibility.


Except that Battlefield 3 was this gen and it's running on Frostbite 2. Still, though...kinda not looking to buy a brand new system so soon. And it sounds almost like Dragon Age III has been moved to next gen, too... Blah.

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MWMike2011 wrote...

So, throwing my two cents in, mainly because I'm wanting to stay involved in this Mark before they close it down for length...

I'm very much hoping the next DLC is much more massive than Omega was. Certainly appears to be, with Hendriks and all the writers collaborating on it. Still, though. Can't wait for it. Hoping for more IT goodness.

Anyway, slight tangent... how do you guys feel about the VERY GOOD possibility of ME4 being on next gen Xbox?


We know all the writers are working on it, as well as ME's main composer, who never does DLCs (other than EC, but I don't count that). Very interesting.

I'm also betting, as some have suggested, that the post-end will only be an end to Shepard's indoctrination story and taking back Earth, leaving defeating the Reapers to ME4.

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401 Kill wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

So, throwing my two cents in, mainly because I'm wanting to stay involved in this Mark before they close it down for length...

I'm very much hoping the next DLC is much more massive than Omega was. Certainly appears to be, with Hendriks and all the writers collaborating on it. Still, though. Can't wait for it. Hoping for more IT goodness.

Anyway, slight tangent... how do you guys feel about the VERY GOOD possibility of ME4 being on next gen Xbox?


The fact that ME4 is on the Frostbite engine does seem to suggest that a next gen release for ME4 is a good possibility.

If the endings of ME3 are left the same, I don't think I will be "acquiring" ME4 no matter what they do.


If this upcoming DLC is as big as they seem to be making it, I might have faith in them, especially if it does some magical things with the ending. Otherwise, it will be tough for them to continue the franchise and have the series follow the original plotline with your choices carrying over. It almost seems as though they are going to have to choose a canon ending...

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byne wrote...

Yknow, I never noticed it before, but Kasumi's picture for the suicide mission choices thing looks weird. Whats up with her makeup?

Posted Image

Also, her eyes are... interesting.


IIRC Kasumi's picture is concept art, while everyone else's are in-game pictures.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 décembre 2012 - 04:25 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

So, throwing my two cents in, mainly because I'm wanting to stay involved in this Mark before they close it down for length...

I'm very much hoping the next DLC is much more massive than Omega was. Certainly appears to be, with Hendriks and all the writers collaborating on it. Still, though. Can't wait for it. Hoping for more IT goodness.

Anyway, slight tangent... how do you guys feel about the VERY GOOD possibility of ME4 being on next gen Xbox?


We know all the writers are working on it, as well as ME's main composer, who never does DLCs (other than EC, but I don't count that). Very interesting.

I'm also betting, as some have suggested, that the post-end will only be an end to Shepard's indoctrination story and taking back Earth, leaving defeating the Reapers to ME4.


Well, ME4 is coming, they already confirmed it. I'm just talking about spending another $400 to play it...

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OH HEY, thread. This thing got HUGE in 24 hours. Anyway. Just pew pew'd the **** outta Arrival on Insanity. However, and I can't believe I didn't pick up on this the first time around, but when Shep's in the medbay post-Alpha Relay destruction, she says to Hackett that she's "Fine. No more visions, if that's what you mean." Now for super simple kindergarten IT questions... the visions of Kenson with Direct Control eyes and Collector General WERE from Object Rho, right? I *assumed* they were, but I always second guess myself because IMO, that alone should prove IT, but hey, whaddo I know.

So once a person starts seeing visions because of Reaper artifacts... doesn't that mean... like... they will continue to...?

I know this is super simple stuff, but sometimes -- in my effort to appreciate though not personally accept a literal intepretation -- I forget just how much indoctrination is RIGHT ON THE SURFACE of the story... like Kenson's "I thought I'd feel accomplishment, instead I feel dread, like we're doing something terrible, yadda yadda..." Talk about ME3 ending cues.


EDIT: Oooo, I'm on top for ze first time. Giggity? 

Modifié par Krimzie, 03 décembre 2012 - 04:27 .


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MWMike2011 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

So, throwing my two cents in, mainly because I'm wanting to stay involved in this Mark before they close it down for length...

I'm very much hoping the next DLC is much more massive than Omega was. Certainly appears to be, with Hendriks and all the writers collaborating on it. Still, though. Can't wait for it. Hoping for more IT goodness.

Anyway, slight tangent... how do you guys feel about the VERY GOOD possibility of ME4 being on next gen Xbox?


The fact that ME4 is on the Frostbite engine does seem to suggest that a next gen release for ME4 is a good possibility.


Except that Battlefield 3 was this gen and it's running on Frostbite 2. Still, though...kinda not looking to buy a brand new system so soon. And it sounds almost like Dragon Age III has been moved to next gen, too... Blah.


My advice?  Invest in a decent PC.  You wouldn't have to spend a MASSIVE amount on it, and you'll probably be covered for the next three years or so.