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[dorktainian]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

 I'm reminded of something:

1:50 until the end:  

does thane recognise sheps indoctrination?

[hukbum]

PsychoStockingStuffer wrote...

Guess my first question is what's the consensus on the Omega DLC? I tried reading when it first came out but frankly you all post fast and I hadn't developed my theories yet. Is the general agreement that Omega was just a method of reaching out to the shooter ME community, or did you all come up with something else, IT-related?

Just my opinion:
It's mostly a shooter. Some nice chat and banter here and there but nothing really new or interesting. No Datapads (I think I found 3 in the whole DLC) and (imo) nothing IT-related.
And if it was to reach out to the shooter community ... well I stay with CoD when I don't want to use my brain for some hours. ^^
My personal opinion on that DLC: It's Ok. Nothing more, nothing less.

[demersel]

PsychoStockingStuffer wrote...
Guess my first question is what's the consensus on the Omega DLC? I tried reading when it first came out but frankly you all post fast and I hadn't developed my theories yet. Is the general agreement that Omega was just a method of reaching out to the shooter ME community, or did you all come up with something else, IT-related?

It is not just plain action. The story is rich and complex. Lot's of things IT-related. 

Omega is awesome.

Modifié par demersel, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:22 .

[hukbum]

demersel wrote...

PsychoStockingStuffer wrote...
Guess my first question is what's the consensus on the Omega DLC? I tried reading when it first came out but frankly you all post fast and I hadn't developed my theories yet. Is the general agreement that Omega was just a method of reaching out to the shooter ME community, or did you all come up with something else, IT-related?

It is not just plain action. The story is rich and complex. Lot's of things IT-related. 

Omega is awesome.

Damn ... looks like BW failed to communicate (again ^^) in my case ...

[RavenEyry]

It has a reinforcement of those themes that were all dropped at the last minute for evil robots.

[Macross]

demersel wrote...

PsychoStockingStuffer wrote...
Guess my first question is what's the consensus on the Omega DLC? I tried reading when it first came out but frankly you all post fast and I hadn't developed my theories yet. Is the general agreement that Omega was just a method of reaching out to the shooter ME community, or did you all come up with something else, IT-related?

It is not just plain action. The story is rich and complex. Lot's of things IT-related. 

Omega is awesome.

So can you exlain how it reniforces IT? I haven't played Omega yet, I plan to sometime this month but I don't care about spoilers so it'd like to know what's going on with that DLC. 

[Rifneno]

Omega is a great way to rack up some levels early in the game and... that's pretty much it.

[RavenEyry]

He's exaggerating, it's not a major IT thing, it's just more detailed than it first appears.

[demersel]

Macross wrote...

demersel wrote...

PsychoStockingStuffer wrote...
Guess my first question is what's the consensus on the Omega DLC? I tried reading when it first came out but frankly you all post fast and I hadn't developed my theories yet. Is the general agreement that Omega was just a method of reaching out to the shooter ME community, or did you all come up with something else, IT-related?

It is not just plain action. The story is rich and complex. Lot's of things IT-related. 

Omega is awesome.

So can you exlain how it reniforces IT? I haven't played Omega yet, I plan to sometime this month but I don't care about spoilers so it'd like to know what's going on with that DLC. 

Ok, you asked for it. Spoilers ahead. 

Basicly it foreshadows the whole Priority: Earth mission, with a clear emphasis on the difference between renegade and paragon approach - and clearly states that paragons generally are more vulnerable to indoctrination and manipulation of any kind.  It also draws parallels between omega and a living organism (power foods it's veins in the form of red liquid - it's bowels process raw Eezo into blue liquid etc), and you get to see what a Eezo mining facility looks like, and what what raw Eezo looks like (like leviathan's turds). It also hints at what Illusive Man's actual plan might be (not the one where he just goes to the citadel, sits there waiting for you, and then shoots himself).  


Edit: In short - don't let the flashy action fool you - Omega is deep. Very deep and complex. 

Modifié par demersel, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:44 .

[demersel]

RavenEyry wrote...

He's exaggerating, it's not a major IT thing, it's just more detailed than it first appears.

Did you know there is a class specific interrupt? If you play as engineer - instead of shutting down the reacotor you can just divert power instantly. 

Who knows what else is in there. Most people just rush through the DLC, doing Pew-pew, derp, man this sucks, derp no substantial story....

Modifié par demersel, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

Omega is a great way to rack up some levels early in the game and... that's pretty much it.

It was rather scarce on story but at least Battlefield players can find something in it for themselves.  Oh, and by no  means it was a mediocre DLC, just not so exciting as Leviathan, although it had a survival-horror tint to it when we first meet the Adjutants.

Retaking Omega felt like a miniwar, disjoint from the main war with the Reapers.

Modifié par paxxton, 03 décembre 2012 - 12:11 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

He's exaggerating, it's not a major IT thing, it's just more detailed than it first appears.

Did you know there is a class specific interrupt? If you play as engineer - instead of shutting down the reacotor you can just divert power instantly. 

Who knows what else is in there. Most people just rush through the DLC, doing Pew-pew, derp, man this sucks, derp no substantial story....

I played as a Vanguard and still got 2 options. So it's not class-specific. Or do you mean you get the option early in the campaign?

Modifié par paxxton, 03 décembre 2012 - 12:14 .

[dorktainian]

talking of indoctrination and weird objects that pop up in the background when shep wakes up..what if Shep never set foot on the citadel, but went to a place with one of these?

Modifié par dorktainian, 03 décembre 2012 - 12:37 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Hmm.

*Omega DLC Spoilers*
Aria T'loak, paragon ending to Omega: "Walk around with you a few hours and I go soft. You're like a disease."
*End Omega spoilers*

Adds some weight to my random Theory of Shepard being a new stage of evolution for humans, or a unique mutation anyway. To sum it up: Shepard's ability to lead is more than his/her charisma, it's potentially biological, influencing others around him/her not-quite like Reaper indoctrination but closer to Leviathan/Thorian enthrallment.

In some part of Leviathan DLC it's said/written "the Thorian shows evidence how organic life can progress without the use of the Reaper's Citadel and Mass Relay, technology that keeps most species on similar paths," the Thorian instead developed a means of using/controlling "lesser" organics.

In terms of evolutionary progression, this "Indoctrination trait" would go, from strongest to weakes, or most developed to least developedt:
Leviathan.
Thorian.
Rachni.
Shepard/humans.

I know it sounds like a crazy theory, feel free to tear it apart, but it gives a reason why the Reapers want Shepard alive/intact and why they might fear him/her above other organics. Having this "Indoctrination trait" might also have given Shepard the resistance to Reaper Indoctrination thus far in the trilogy.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 03 décembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[dorktainian]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hmm.

*Omega DLC Spoilers*
Aria T'loak, paragon ending to Omega: "Walk around with you a few hours and I go soft. You're like a disease."
*End Omega spoilers*

Adds some weight to my random Theory of Shepard being a new stage of evolution for humans, or a unique mutation anyway. To sum it up: Shepard's ability to lead is more than his/her charisma, it's potentially biological, influencing others around him/her not-quite like Reaper indoctrination but closer to Leviathan/Thorian enthrallment.

In some part of Leviathan DLC it's said/written "the Thorian shows evidence how organic life can progress without the use of the Reaper's Citadel and Mass Relay, technology that keeps most species on similar paths," the Thorian instead developed a means of using/controlling "lesser" organics.

In terms of evolutionary progression, this "Indoctrination trait" would go, from strongest to weakes, or most developed to least developedt:
Leviathan.
Thorian.
Rachni.
Shepard/humans.

I know it sounds like a crazy theory, feel free to tear it apart, but it gives a reason why the Reapers want Shepard alive/intact and why they might fear him/her above other organics. Having this "Indoctrination trait" might also have given Shepard the resistance to Reaper Indoctrination thus far in the trilogy.

 I always assumed they were going to collector general his asss.  

[RavenEyry]

Not quite indoctrination, but there is something about Shepard that inspires loyalty, and it's not just their personality.

[umadcommander]

RavenEyry wrote...

Not quite indoctrination, but there is something about Shepard that inspires loyalty, and it's not just their personality.

the same could be said of any of biowares protagonists

[hukbum]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

He's exaggerating, it's not a major IT thing, it's just more detailed than it first appears.

Did you know there is a class specific interrupt? If you play as engineer - instead of shutting down the reacotor you can just divert power instantly. 

Who knows what else is in there. Most people just rush through the DLC, doing Pew-pew, derp, man this sucks, derp no substantial story....

I played as a Vanguard and still got 2 options. So it's not class-specific. Or do you mean you get the option early in the campaign?

I think he's talking about the reactor (renegade) interrupts. As an engineer they're not there / not needed or you get a paragon interrupt. Don't know for sure, I only played omega with adept and infiltrator.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

umadcommander wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Not quite indoctrination, but there is something about Shepard that inspires loyalty, and it's not just their personality.

the same could be said of any of biowares protagonists

Within the Mass Effect universe*

[gunslinger_ruiz]

dorktainian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hmm.

*Omega DLC Spoilers*
Aria T'loak, paragon ending to Omega: "Walk around with you a few hours and I go soft. You're like a disease."
*End Omega spoilers*

Adds some weight to my random Theory of Shepard being a new stage of evolution for humans, or a unique mutation anyway. To sum it up: Shepard's ability to lead is more than his/her charisma, it's potentially biological, influencing others around him/her not-quite like Reaper indoctrination but closer to Leviathan/Thorian enthrallment.

In some part of Leviathan DLC it's said/written "the Thorian shows evidence how organic life can progress without the use of the Reaper's Citadel and Mass Relay, technology that keeps most species on similar paths," the Thorian instead developed a means of using/controlling "lesser" organics.

In terms of evolutionary progression, this "Indoctrination trait" would go, from strongest to weakes, or most developed to least developedt:
Leviathan.
Thorian.
Rachni.
Shepard/humans.

I know it sounds like a crazy theory, feel free to tear it apart, but it gives a reason why the Reapers want Shepard alive/intact and why they might fear him/her above other organics. Having this "Indoctrination trait" might also have given Shepard the resistance to Reaper Indoctrination thus far in the trilogy.

 I always assumed they were going to collector general his asss.  

I thought for a long time (mostly throughout ME2, somewhat into 3) they wanted Shepard for his/her "Superior Code" as Legion put it, whatever it was that made Shepard, Shepard to add stength to their human Reaper. After some theorizing here on the IT thread (after ME3) I started to think, like a few others I'm sure, they wanted Shepard to be the control point for the human Reaper, its "mind," maybe making a Reaper as strong as Harbinger in the process or a new Harbinger.

But, this genetic trait theory popped into my head after playing Leviathan. And trying to figure out how Paragon Shepard managed to win so many over to his/her way of thinking, even hardened criminals, with the right words and actions. Could be explained by "He/She's the main character, it's written to be that way," but my the theory feels like a deeper explantion to the narrative anyway.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 03 décembre 2012 - 01:03 .

[dorktainian]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hmm.

*Omega DLC Spoilers*
Aria T'loak, paragon ending to Omega: "Walk around with you a few hours and I go soft. You're like a disease."
*End Omega spoilers*

Adds some weight to my random Theory of Shepard being a new stage of evolution for humans, or a unique mutation anyway. To sum it up: Shepard's ability to lead is more than his/her charisma, it's potentially biological, influencing others around him/her not-quite like Reaper indoctrination but closer to Leviathan/Thorian enthrallment.

In some part of Leviathan DLC it's said/written "the Thorian shows evidence how organic life can progress without the use of the Reaper's Citadel and Mass Relay, technology that keeps most species on similar paths," the Thorian instead developed a means of using/controlling "lesser" organics.

In terms of evolutionary progression, this "Indoctrination trait" would go, from strongest to weakes, or most developed to least developedt:
Leviathan.
Thorian.
Rachni.
Shepard/humans.

I know it sounds like a crazy theory, feel free to tear it apart, but it gives a reason why the Reapers want Shepard alive/intact and why they might fear him/her above other organics. Having this "Indoctrination trait" might also have given Shepard the resistance to Reaper Indoctrination thus far in the trilogy.

 I always assumed they were going to collector general his asss.  

I thought for a long time (mostly throughout ME2, somewhat into 3) they wanted Shepard for his/her "Superior Code" as Legion put it, whatever it was that made Shepard, Shepard to add stength to their human Reaper. After some theorizing here on the IT thread (after ME3) I started to think, like a few others I'm sure, they wanted Shepard to be the control point for the human Reaper, its "mind," maybe making a Reaper as strong as Harbinger in the process or a new Harbinger.

But, this genetic trait theory popped into my head after playing Leviathan. And trying to figure out how Paragon Shepard managed to win so many over to his/her way of thinking, even hardened criminals, with the right words and actions. Could be explained by "He/She's the main character, it's written to be that way," but my the theory feels like a deeper explantion to the narrative anyway.

like use him (or his essence) as a reaper cpu / personality?  Actually makes a lot of sense.  Wonder which dork volunteered to become human reaper boy in his absense?  Shep had the personality of a brick so he must have been incredibly persuasive.... something Harbinger identified and wanted for his reaper baby.

Modifié par dorktainian, 03 décembre 2012 - 01:15 .

[masster blaster]

Morning guys.

[dorktainian]

good morning.  oh hang on it's 13.20 uk time.  i'm all confused now.

Modifié par dorktainian, 03 décembre 2012 - 01:18 .

[masster blaster]

So about Shepard. I think it's safe to say that Shepard is Indoctrinated in Control, and Synthesis right. Saren= Synthesis TIM= Control. Both are Indoctrinated/ want to save everyone. That includes the Reapers. It's safe to say that for the people that want to save everyone they lead to Indoctrination, however if you willing to make hard chocies. Then you resisted Indoctrination for a least a time being.

Also Top! And when I get home. I will post the list.

Byne true we post the list on the thousand page, but we forgot to do it on the last one remember.

Modifié par masster blaster, 03 décembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[Norlond]

Working on [redacted] instead of [redacted2] today, despite me thinking
I'd get to [redacted2]. Ended up having to help out with [redacted3] - Jos Hendriks

Edit: Take that Mk1!

Modifié par Norlond, 03 décembre 2012 - 01:25 .