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[RavenEyry]

Although the names are pretty generic, I commend them for coming up with op names every week instead of just going for "Weekend op".

[Eryri]

masster blaster wrote...

I still think if all else fails we got back to Illos. Maybe we can use the Mass relay again to get on the Citadle. I mean nobody ever said that the Mass relay on the Citadle was destroyed, and maybe once Shepard goes to rio. Shepard and his/her team go through a portal that takes them to Illos, and go find conduit.


Holy crap what if.

ME1 Nazara needed to find the conduit to get inside the Citadle/ have a small task force take out the Citadle controls.

ME3 Reapers need a way to fully get into Shepard's mind. Hence they build a conduit to get into Shepard's mind, and Harbinger leads the already indoctrinated part of Shepard's mind to Shepard's master mind controls.

That's an interesting parallel. Quite a few Stephen King novels depict a battle for the protagonist's mind as an attempt to break in to some protected room. Dreamcatcher and The Regulators spring to mind.

Modifié par Eryri, 03 décembre 2012 - 05:23 .

[masster blaster]

Also if Anderson followed Shepard up to the citadle, then he must have been awake to see Shepard get up, and go into the Conduit.
If he was, then he had to have over listened to coats/ the lady calling a full retreat. Yet why didn't Anderson say something?

Also Anderson did not have a preditor, but a Carfinex. The one that Shepard has when you wake up. Yet time draws a Preditor from Andersons back. Where did Anderson get the Preditor? He had again a Carfinex.

Modifié par masster blaster, 03 décembre 2012 - 05:17 .

[Restrider]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

I disagree with Destroy beeing a Reaper choice. The Catalyst is clearly trying to lead you away from the choice and also he dosent say Destroy is a solution when he introduces it, unlike the other two which he refer to as solutions. I would even say he dosent so much introduce it as simply acknowledge the choice's existence.

But most importantly is the meaning, the thought behind Destroy. It is victory through sacrifice, a theme whih has been repeated multiple times throughout the game. We are many times told that in this war you cannot save everyone.

But maybe most importantly is how Indoctrination works. It works by aligning the victims goals and beliefs with the Reapers, but in Destroy Shepard is not aligning with them in any way. He has no desire to control them for his own gain, he will not accept their solution of synthesis. He is doing what he always came to do, destroying them. There is no change of motivation, Shepard is firmly established in the belief that the Reapers have to die.

Well, it is just my opinion. I think I had the same as you before the DLC Extended Ending but, after it, I cannot see the ending in that way because refuse would not have its place, you can really save the Galaxy but you prefer refusing and just die... I see that like you refuse Reapers help at any cost and you die like in the rest of the cycles, or you accept their help and who knows what will happened, if you take the endings literally you have your response. I do not do that and I think there is something more behind them (maybe grades of indoctrination such as if you choose control you are totally indoctrinated, etc). And I chose Destroy although I am not satisfied with the decision.
I have to say I have not played Leviathan DLC yet, so I do not know if that could change my own vision.

The Reapers aren't giving you the Destroy option though. The choices are metaphors and have no meaning beyond that.

Do you want to destroy the Reapers?
Do you want to control the Reapers?
Do you want to help the Reapers?
Are you unsure of what you want, or are unwilling to do what is necessary?

That's all the choices are in IT, they have no further meaning.

What they are, where they are, what the kid says, what you se after; all irrelevant. All you're doing is choosing what your goal is.

Also, every single Shepard, no matter how you play yours, has to want to destroy the Reapers when they enter the room, this is not something the player has control over.

But what happens in the unlikely event that you are only able to choose Control and Refuse?
Do you think that there is no way out of the indoctrination anymore?

[Restrider]

Courtesy of the number juggler:

Anti-end vs Pro-end


Literalist vs Non-Literalist


Completionists vs Non-Completionists


The results are not that surprising.

[Eryri]

Restrider wrote...

But what happens in the unlikely event that you are only able to choose Control and Refuse?
Do you think that there is no way out of the indoctrination anymore?

Well, you would have to both save the collector base (horrible, nightmare factory that it was) and be completely hopeless at gathering assets in ME3, so it's a very unlikely scenario.

A game is meaningless if it's impossible to lose after all. Any Shepard in that situation... rather deserves what's coming to him.

BTW Restrider - great work on those stats above - very interesting to see how people's minds work. 

EDIT: I'm sure Seival would be delighted to be selected as the poster boy / girl for Control. 

Modifié par Eryri, 03 décembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[IronSabbath88]

Eryri wrote...

Restrider wrote...

But what happens in the unlikely event that you are only able to choose Control and Refuse?
Do you think that there is no way out of the indoctrination anymore?

Well, you would have to both save the collector base (horrible, nightmare factory that it was) and be completely hopeless at gathering assets in ME3, so it's a very unlikely scenario.

A game is meaningless if it's impossible to lose after all. Any Shepard in that situation... rather deserves what's coming to him.

BTW Restrider - great work on those stats above - very interesting to see how people's minds work. 

EDIT: I'm sure Seival would be delighted to be selected as the poster boy / girl for Control. 

That Seival person makes me want to facepalm..

[dorktainian]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Restrider wrote...

But what happens in the unlikely event that you are only able to choose Control and Refuse?
Do you think that there is no way out of the indoctrination anymore?

Well, you would have to both save the collector base (horrible, nightmare factory that it was) and be completely hopeless at gathering assets in ME3, so it's a very unlikely scenario.

A game is meaningless if it's impossible to lose after all. Any Shepard in that situation... rather deserves what's coming to him.

BTW Restrider - great work on those stats above - very interesting to see how people's minds work. 

EDIT: I'm sure Seival would be delighted to be selected as the poster boy / girl for Control. 

That Seival person makes me want to facepalm..

you have the power to do this. do it before you become indoctrinated.

[RavenEyry]

Interesting that completionists don't have an ending preference.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Hey guys, dropping back in here because I have had something I wanted to post for awhile.

Just to preface, this may not have much bearing on IT, at least, none that I can see, but I still find it interesting:

During the second and third dream sequences you can approach the kid and witness the shadow figures moving in to surround him. You can also manage to get yourself very close to the "child" without activating the cut scene that exits the dream. If you turn down the music, in the Sound options, not your volume, you will hear some rather disturbing.. whispers? They are hard to describe, but I'm sure every ITer knows what I am referring to.

Now, that is nothing new. But in my current playthrough I went searching for instances where Bioware reused assets, like the famed Reaper cable. If anyone has done this before then you may know that visually, Bioware used a lot of the same stuff over and over (which is nothing new and not a bad thing) but I found that the audio, especially the ambiance pieces, where rather unique.

Everyone knows the Normandy has special, creepy ambiance (surrounding, background, environmental sound) But I was deliberately searching for the source of that disturbing dream audio. And I think I found it. Down the hallway from Udina's office is Din Korlack"s office. You enter it for Zaeed's mission.

Din's office is the same office (I believe) That you visit for Kasumi's mission, but you don;t really get to explore it. The office is largely a square area filled with office equipment, desks,computer terminals, etc. etc. With a large wall window facing the main lobby connected to the elevator. The office also has a small corridor connected to it.

Starting at the corridor, with music turned all the way down and dialogue and effects settings max, things are rather silent. You can hear distant crowd talking and an intercom or PA system with a male and female voice making announcements at regular intervals, nothing really special besides the stark contrast to the office.

The office, is nearly the same, the intercom voice is louder but nothing else. You have to approach the window and position yourself in-between the desks and the window. All of a sudden the room erupts in audio (maybe I am exaggeration but please look at it yourself!) Ignoring the intercom for now, the voices say nothing I can pick out but it sounds odd to me.

As for the connection to the dream ambiance- I believe they are the same, except with changes in pitch and such. I don't know what to make of this but I though it was interesting, if rather useless

If someone has audio or video capturing equipment that would help analysis of this and other audio, for I have none such material.

For reference the dream audio has its own segment in Prettz's IT video (the long one) I would link but I have to wrap this up, sorry!

This really doesn't seem like much but I have had an itch to post my thoughts on this for awhile now, thanks for any input guys

[GethPrimeMKII]

So now theres statistical proof that many people who hate IT support literal control and synthesis.

[Restrider]

RavenEyry wrote...

Interesting that completionists don't have an ending preference.

Yes, that's true. I would've thought there are less completionists that pick Refuse, but the influence of Puzzle Theory only shows on the side of the non-completionists.
It's mostly a meta-question not really depending on your preferred ending choice. Many have just lost hope that BW, after repeatedly stating that the end is the end, is going to add something post-ending.

[Restrider]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So now theres statistical proof that many people who hate IT support literal control and synthesis.

It's not surprising and understandable.
If they like these endings and it turns out that all is nothing but a lie and in reality  they are just a husk or Reaper goo - no wonder that they resent these assertions made by some lunatic zealots that have no clue of the ME lore.

[Skillz1986]

I'M WRITING IN CAPITALS, SINCE THIS POST WILL GET OVERLOOLED OTHERWISE

IT'S PROBABLY NOT SIGNIFICANT BUT THE FIRST TIME YOU GET CONTACZED BY HACKETT (HE TELLS YOU TO GO TO THE MARS ARCHIVES) HIS SCAR IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF HOS FACE (HIS LEFT SIDE) DURING THE REST OF THE GAME HOWEVER IT IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS FACE

[GethPrimeMKII]

Restrider wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So now theres statistical proof that many people who hate IT support literal control and synthesis.

It's not surprising and understandable.
If they like these endings and it turns out that all is nothing but a lie and in reality  they are just a husk or Reaper goo - no wonder that they resent these assertions made by some lunatic zealots that have no clue of the ME lore.

I remember Hanar admitting as much. Still no excuse for the insults.

[dreamgazer]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So now theres statistical proof that many people who hate IT support literal control and synthesis.

That shouldn't be a surprise, at all. IT essentially spits in the face of their ideology. 

Despite how they're presented in the game and how they're framed on the BSN, many folks have come up with well-reasoned arguments behind taking sacrificial control of the Reapers and improving life through synthetic integration.  I don't agree with it, especially with how it's presented and contradicted in-universe, but many of those counter-arguments are sound enough to afford some spite towards the theory, since it negates their viewpoint.

[dorktainian]

dreamgazer wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So now theres statistical proof that many people who hate IT support literal control and synthesis.

That shouldn't be a surprise, at all. IT essentially spits in the face of their ideology. 

Despite how they're presented in the game and how they're framed on the BSN, many folks have come up with well-reasoned arguments behind taking sacrificial control of the Reapers and improving life through synthetic integration.  I don't agree with it, especially with how it's presented and contradicted in-universe, but many of those counter-arguments are sound enough to afford some spite towards the theory, since it negates their viewpoint.

 

they're all indoctrinated.  synthesis is akin to invasion of the bodysnatchers... they may look like your friends but they are not your friends.   control is akin to slavery.  (maybe its a bit of domination with these supporters..you know kinky domination types)

[Humakt83]

Hmm, divide and conquer. When we'll see the conquer part?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

dorktainian wrote...
they're all indoctrinated.  synthesis is akin to invasion of the bodysnatchers... they may look like your friends but they are not your friends.   control is akin to slavery.  (maybe its a bit of domination with these supporters..you know kinky domination types)

You know, there are positive examples of Synthesis too.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:32 .

[jojon2se]

Frankly I do not see why any possibly "indoctrinated" player should have to feel foolish, just because the contents of the box they bought didn't match the picture on it.

[hukbum]

Hmm ... I have to say ... the Asari Huntress is really fun to play

[KonguZya]

dreamgazer wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So now theres statistical proof that many people who hate IT support literal control and synthesis.

That shouldn't be a surprise, at all. IT essentially spits in the face of their ideology. 

Despite how they're presented in the game and how they're framed on the BSN, many folks have come up with well-reasoned arguments behind taking sacrificial control of the Reapers and improving life through synthetic integration.  I don't agree with it, especially with how it's presented and contradicted in-universe, but many of those counter-arguments are sound enough to afford some spite towards the theory, since it negates their viewpoint.

The entire Mass Effect series spits in the face of that ideology.

[masster blaster]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
they're all indoctrinated.  synthesis is akin to invasion of the bodysnatchers... they may look like your friends but they are not your friends.   control is akin to slavery.  (maybe its a bit of domination with these supporters..you know kinky domination types)

You know, there are positive examples of Synthesis too.

Javik: Hardly.

Honest there really isn't. If it's just ME alone, there is only a small dust bunny of anything good about Synthesis. I would like Synthesis if it wasn't forced, and happened over time, but the end forces it on everyone.

[Humakt83]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
You know, there are positive examples of Synthesis too.

Yeah, the husks look really happy.

Modifié par Humakt83, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:51 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

masster blaster wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
they're all indoctrinated.  synthesis is akin to invasion of the bodysnatchers... they may look like your friends but they are not your friends.   control is akin to slavery.  (maybe its a bit of domination with these supporters..you know kinky domination types)

You know, there are positive examples of Synthesis too.

Javik: Hardly.

Honest there really isn't. If it's just ME alone, there is only a small dust bunny of anything good about Synthesis. I would like Synthesis if it wasn't forced, and happened over time, but the end forces it on everyone.

While I admit it being forced is wrong, it's better than the other two options, which are genocide or enslavement. When all options are forced on the galaxy, that no longer really applies to any choice in particular anymopre. Also, give me an area to search in other media and I bet I can find positive Synthesis examples.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:54 .