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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Restrider wrote...

hukbum wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is this thread about delusions or armor?

No, it's about Multiplayer :)

Have I mentioned before that the Asari Huntress is really fun to play? :D

Want! Want! Want!... Last Asari character I do not have...

Anything else not unlocked?
Because she'll unlock with nearly 100% if you buy a prem-pack and have every other char fully unlocked.

#57402
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spotlessvoid wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is this thread about delusions or armor?


We like to dabble in everything. Next thing I want to talk about is the condescending idiocy of The Protheans.


Something just popped into my head right then.

The Protheans were more like the Reapers they they'd care to admit.

They conquer other species and force them to conform to their ideals and practices.  If they don't, they are destroyed.  Disobediance is punishable by death.  The whole culture is homogenised and inflexible.  They even tamper with pre-spaceflight civilisations to influence their growth, and leave technology behind for them to find.

The Protheans are so much like the Reapers that I imagine finding out they weren't the best at what they do really pissed them off.

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

Eryri wrote...

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Yeah, synthesis is a Reaper-approved evolutionary path. How could that possibly be good news for us? Not even EDI sounds like EDI, and that's likely to be intentional. You didn't save everyone. Everyone is gone, since they're not themselves anymore. They're now "in harmony" with the Reapers. What a sweet victory, huh?


I think you're right there. I think that was actually a very subtle performance from Tricia Helfer. On face value you can take it as very positive and uplifting, because she sounds so warm and human in the monologue. But if you think about it for a second, you realise in a moment of fridge horror that Edi sounding human is actually deeply unsettling and alien to her character.

She's gone from a drily witty, cool, calm and collected personality, to a gushingly emotional one in the space of about 5 minutes. Old Edi, and everything we liked about her, is gone forever.


My other worry about that particular ending is that it'sd EDI that's doing the voiceover fuill stop.

EDI is a being we've been talking to for the last two games, and we've been answering questions on what it means to be "alive".  As you rightly said, the ending can be taken in a very uplifting manner... however, at the same time EDI is not a voice for the organic races.  She's struggled repeatedly with the concept of being "alive", and for a remarkably intelligent being she can also be somewhat naive at times.  How do we know that what she percieves as being incredible isn't actually pure horror for everyone else?

We don't hear a thing from any organic; the thoughts and feelings of every living being that was affected remain uncertain.  And that worries me.


IF Javik was the one talking at the end for Synthesis, then you would know he would had to had to either been Indnoctrinated, or Indoctrinated.

Modifié par masster blaster, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:08 .


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Andromidius wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is this thread about delusions or armor?


We like to dabble in everything. Next thing I want to talk about is the condescending idiocy of The Protheans.


Something just popped into my head right then.

The Protheans were more like the Reapers they they'd care to admit.

They conquer other species and force them to conform to their ideals and practices.  If they don't, they are destroyed.  Disobediance is punishable by death.  The whole culture is homogenised and inflexible.  They even tamper with pre-spaceflight civilisations to influence their growth, and leave technology behind for them to find.

The Protheans are so much like the Reapers that I imagine finding out they weren't the best at what they do really pissed them off.


The difference is you had a choice.

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You have the same choice with the Reapers

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Ah, Starship Troopers...Posted Image
Oh, and all that other stuff you said was really good too.


Cheers LDS :D

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byne wrote...

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401 Kill wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is this thread about delusions or armor?

Neither.


What is it about then?


Indoctrination Theory. Most of the time.


Is it a theory or a cult?

#57408
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TheProtheans wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is this thread about delusions or armor?


We like to dabble in everything. Next thing I want to talk about is the condescending idiocy of The Protheans.


Something just popped into my head right then.

The Protheans were more like the Reapers they they'd care to admit.

They conquer other species and force them to conform to their ideals and practices.  If they don't, they are destroyed.  Disobediance is punishable by death.  The whole culture is homogenised and inflexible.  They even tamper with pre-spaceflight civilisations to influence their growth, and leave technology behind for them to find.

The Protheans are so much like the Reapers that I imagine finding out they weren't the best at what they do really pissed them off.


The difference is you had a choice.


...what?

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Eryri - Omega should give you much hope for the things to come then.

All SP Story DLC for Mass Effect 3 are IT DLCs.

From Ashes is a set up.
Extended Cut is a double check question.
Leviathan is a statement.
Omega is a promise.

#57410
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TheProtheans wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is this thread about delusions or armor?


We like to dabble in everything. Next thing I want to talk about is the condescending idiocy of The Protheans.


Something just popped into my head right then.

The Protheans were more like the Reapers they they'd care to admit.

They conquer other species and force them to conform to their ideals and practices.  If they don't, they are destroyed.  Disobediance is punishable by death.  The whole culture is homogenised and inflexible.  They even tamper with pre-spaceflight civilisations to influence their growth, and leave technology behind for them to find.

The Protheans are so much like the Reapers that I imagine finding out they weren't the best at what they do really pissed them off.


The difference is you had a choice.

Is submission preferable to extinction?

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No, I think a reveal is exactly what we need. This isn't some Limbo-type game. It is a trilogy that has spanned over 5 years, with amazing charecters and an amazing, well developed plot. To not have a reveal is disastrous. Why would you spend over 90 hours on such an amazing trilogy just to not have a definitive answer on what exactly happened in the end.

I think there will be a reveal, and it most certainly will have to happen before Mass Effect 4. Why else would Bioware still be this silent about the endings this far after the game has come out? Why would they foreshadow the message that "The fight isn't over yet."? I believe there will be more of Shepard; "One more story" left, the all too important reveal.

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TheProtheans wrote...

Is it a theory or a cult?


Get out of here.

#57413
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spotlessvoid wrote...

You have the same choice with the Reapers


I was talking about without the Crucible.
The protheans should be praised and not criticised for helping to end the Reaper threat.

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

If there's no reveal then I just can't continue to support BioWare. That's just how it is.

If they're going to have it literally, then that's fine aswell, but if they don't give us ANY answers after everything is all said and done then I will be more insulted than if these silly nonsensical endings are the real thing.

Headcanon does nothing for me as far as replay value.


yeah im with you on this if it was their intention then they shouldnt chicken out and not reveal it, if it wasnt fine but at least tell us it wasnt

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Eryri wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Ah, Starship Troopers...Posted Image
Oh, and all that other stuff you said was really good too.


Cheers LDS :D

Cheers.
I feel like I need to watch one of those now. Which one is the problem.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is this thread about delusions or armor?


We like to dabble in everything. Next thing I want to talk about is the condescending idiocy of The Protheans.


Something just popped into my head right then.

The Protheans were more like the Reapers they they'd care to admit.

They conquer other species and force them to conform to their ideals and practices.  If they don't, they are destroyed.  Disobediance is punishable by death.  The whole culture is homogenised and inflexible.  They even tamper with pre-spaceflight civilisations to influence their growth, and leave technology behind for them to find.

The Protheans are so much like the Reapers that I imagine finding out they weren't the best at what they do really pissed them off.


The difference is you had a choice.

Is submission preferable to extinction?


The point is they always had a choice, is their choices any different from the choices we humans have today.

#57417
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TheProtheans wrote...

byne wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
Is this thread about delusions or armor?

Neither.

What is it about then?

Indoctrination Theory. Most of the time.

Is it a theory or a cult?

Depends on how you want to see it. I think it's a theorie, but a really good and interesting one.

Modifié par hukbum, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:12 .


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TheProtheans wrote...

byne wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is this thread about delusions or armor?

Neither.


What is it about then?


Indoctrination Theory. Most of the time.


Is it a theory or a cult?

All three. Try the kool-aid

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TheProtheans wrote...


Is it a theory or a cult?


>trolling the IT thread
>IT banner in your sig

Are you even trying?

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TheProtheans wrote...

Is it a theory or a cult?


It's a cult. Could you spare some time? We'd like to talk to you about Shepard, our Hero and Savior! His quest, his resolve, and his sacrifice.  

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TheProtheans wrote...

byne wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is this thread about delusions or armor?

Neither.


What is it about then?


Indoctrination Theory. Most of the time.


Is it a theory or a cult?


Check the title of this thread.

#57422
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demersel wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is it a theory or a cult?


It's a cult. Could you spare some time? We'd like to talk to you about Shepard, our Hero and Savior! His quest, his resolve, and his sacrifice.  

Every Friday, we construct an Ephagy of the Starchild, and burn him. Then, we perform Necromancy at midnight, making animal sacrifices to Shepard.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:17 .


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demersel wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is it a theory or a cult?


It's a cult. Could you spare some time? We'd like to talk to you about Shepard, our Hero and Savior! His quest, his resolve, and his sacrifice.  


All Hail The Lord And His Prophet Byne!

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:17 .


#57424
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demersel wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Is it a theory or a cult?


It's a cult.

Really???
Damn ... I thought this is about MP ...

#57425
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byne wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...


Is it a theory or a cult?


>trolling the IT thread
>IT banner in your sig

Are you even trying?


It may very well be an IT sig, but I was never an IT person.
I merely use it to represent my Indoctrination headcanon.

It doesn't say IT, it merely says "wake up" I head canon my shepard waking up.
But I'm not delusional about it coming true.