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[DarthSliver]

Ive been thinking about IT and in away it should come to reality because I feel its a slap in the face if you choose Blue or Green because you set out to destroy the Reapers anything less is a slap in the face. But they need to do it in such a way that the other options dont seem obselete after the reveal, so the Reveal needs to be vague but for the people that have taken the time to play the first two Mass Effects those are the people that would completely understand the reveal.

Indoctrination is a big part of the series it would be foolish of the Reapers to not try it on Shepard in order to try and save their butts. That is where the life of this thread has sprung on and in the end it makes complete sense considering in Blue ending you lose your body and in Green ending you also lose your body but somehow in Red ending(destroy) on a high EMS you find your Shepard waking up. I think the reason why High EMS Destroy ending saves Earth is because it shows that Shepard got enough reinforcements after all to back him/her up when trying to activate the Cruicible. Control or Synthesis choices show a complete indoctrination and as far as it showing happy at the end of those choices The Reaper makes Shepard believe that he/she ended the war when in fact destroy is the only actual option to stop the Reapers. Control and Synthesis are a comprise and do you comprise with the enemy when they are trying to completely destroy you?

[umadcommander]

CoolioThane wrote...

Guys the superior intellect...

...he's the first person to ever suggest we're a cult.

Lol

gotta love internet logic

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Guys the superior intellect...

...he's the first person to ever suggest we're a cult.

Lol

Na the first to ask yes, but the first to call us a cult no.

He was making fun of him, masster. He wasnt being serious.

[demersel]

Andromidius wrote...

who agrees with my thoughts about the Protheans being more like Reapers then is comfortable?

Heck, it might even be a hidden message - the Protheans lost because they were homogenised and inflexible. Maybe this is the weakness of the Reapers as well?

Protheans are indeed exaclty like reapers. And that is because they followed the path layed out by the reapers all to well. 

Modifié par demersel, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:28 .

[archangel1996]

hukbum wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

I don't want to be funny, people consider this thread and it's top posters to be jokes.
I don't want to be a joke.

So ... why are you here anyway?

Beacuse we have the best bar .....wait we do not have a bar........why in the blue hell is he here then?

[401 Kill]

Andromidius wrote...

Okay, other then a troll, who agrees with my thoughts about the Protheans being more like Reapers then is comfortable?

Heck, it might even be a hidden message - the Protheans lost because they were homogenised and inflexible. Maybe this is the weakness of the Reapers as well?

I agree. The Protheans could not adapt. Sure, the Reapers have many backup plans, but what happens when they've tried everything the know, and it still isn't working? Can they adapt? No, they are all made in the image of the Leviathans, who could not overcome the conflict with synthetics.

[Eryri]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Okay, other then a troll, who agrees with my thoughts about the Protheans being more like Reapers then is comfortable?

Heck, it might even be a hidden message - the Protheans lost because they were homogenised and inflexible. Maybe this is the weakness of the Reapers as well?

Well, Sovereign was able to pull a turn that "would sheer an Alliance ship in half." so they must be pretty flexible.

But do they also have reach?

Seriously though Andromidius, you make a good comparison. The reapers haven't changed in millions of years. Like the Protheans, their "perfection" may be their downfall.

Modifié par Eryri, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[hukbum]

archangel1996 wrote...

hukbum wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

I don't want to be funny, people consider this thread and it's top posters to be jokes.
I don't want to be a joke.

So ... why are you here anyway?

Beacuse we have the best bar .....wait we do not have a bar........why in the blue hell is he here then?

This is getting better and better, first it's not about MP and now here's no bar ...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Andromidius wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Okay, other then a troll, who agrees with my thoughts about the Protheans being more like Reapers then is comfortable?

Heck, it might even be a hidden message - the Protheans lost because they were homogenised and inflexible. Maybe this is the weakness of the Reapers as well?

Well, Sovereign was able to pull a turn that "would sheer an Alliance ship in half." so they must be pretty flexible.

...funny.  Trust you to be overly literal.

I'm glad I amuse you.

[spotlessvoid]

Oh there's a bar. It's just been raised so high the literalists can't reach it.

[demersel]

archangel1996 wrote...
Beacuse we have the best bar .....wait we do not have a bar........why in the blue hell is he here then?

Forget him! More importantly, why the heck don't we have a bar????

Even the Normandy has a bar!!!

Modifié par demersel, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Guys the superior intellect...

...he's the first person to ever suggest we're a cult.

Lol

Na the first to ask yes, but the first to call us a cult no.

He was making fun of him, masster. He wasnt being serious.

oh and Prothean is friends with Seival. I thinks Seivals words of poison told him that we are cults.

[Restrider]

DarthSliver wrote...

Ive been thinking about IT and in away it should come to reality because I feel its a slap in the face if you choose Blue or Green because you set out to destroy the Reapers anything less is a slap in the face. But they need to do it in such a way that the other options dont seem obselete after the reveal, so the Reveal needs to be vague but for the people that have taken the time to play the first two Mass Effects those are the people that would completely understand the reveal.
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But there are already a lot of hints for those that have played the whole trilogy and aware of the serie's main theme. Leviathan DLC was a huge support since it shows that Shepard can be easily fooled and trapped in his mind, yet most of the players see it "debunken" IT due to the fact that an "intelligence" is mentioned.

I guess EC is the problem here. Show people a few nice slides and IT is no more. Ignore other games, where BW has pulled off something similar (was it Neverwinter Nights?).

I agree on the rest of your post.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh there's a bar. It's just been raised so high the literalists can't reach it.

I don't drink anyway, so it's probably for the best. Can someone get me a soda?

[archangel1996]

Andromidius wrote...

Okay, other then a troll, who agrees with my thoughts about the Protheans being more like Reapers then is comfortable?

Heck, it might even be a hidden message - the Protheans lost because they were homogenised and inflexible. Maybe this is the weakness of the Reapers as well?

I thinkt that the more a population is exposed to reaper tech the more that population becomes like the Reapers
In fact the current cicle is quite different because the tech is primary prothean(Mars, Asari ecc) not directly Reper tech

Modifié par archangel1996, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:33 .

[TheProtheans]

hukbum wrote...
So ... why are you here anyway?

To find out why people believe in these theories with a passion despite nothing indicating the implementation of such a theory within a reasonably timeframe of the games release.

Question: For everyone in this thread.

Do you head canon Indoctrination in the ending?

[BatmanTurian]

bah, nobody reads my stuff these days...

[spotlessvoid]

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Guys the superior intellect...

...he's the first person to ever suggest we're a cult.

Lol

Na the first to ask yes, but the first to call us a cult no.

He was making fun of him, masster. He wasnt being serious.

oh and Prothean is friends with Seival. I thinks Seivals words of poison told him that we are cults.

Cool. Maybe he can tell us all about the Normandy scene being a test flight.

[BatmanTurian]

TheProtheans wrote...

hukbum wrote...
So ... why are you here anyway?

To find out why people believe in these theories with a passion despite nothing indicating the implementation of such a theory within a reasonably timeframe of the games release.

Question: For everyone in this thread.

Do you head canon Indoctrination in the ending?

No, themes and evidence within the universe itself supports the literary theory that Shepard was undergoing indoctrination and is not indoctrinated until choosing to align his or her goals with the Reapers. It's not my head-canon, it's what the ending is. Because a literal ending makes no sense (logically or scientifically) no matter how much you try to explain it that way.

[archangel1996]

demersel wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...
Beacuse we have the best bar .....wait we do not have a bar........why in the blue hell is he here then?

Forget him! More importantly, why the heck don't we have a bar????

Even the Normandy has a bar!!!

Well ther is a bar......but i will never ever go to THAT bar, it has just green and blue drinks.....

[Restrider]

TheProtheans wrote...

hukbum wrote...
So ... why are you here anyway?

To find out why people believe in these theories with a passion despite nothing indicating the implementation of such a theory within a reasonably timeframe of the games release.

Question: For everyone in this thread.

Do you head canon Indoctrination in the ending?

There is less headcanon going on in here (at least in the core theory) than in the support threads for other endings (for example Synthesis or Control). I am not trying to judge these endings (though I have my opinion), but there is a lot of so-called headcanon going on in there, while the IT is accused for being fanfic/headcanon.

Chris Priestly has stated several times that this theory is a valid interpretation and hence was not moved to fanfic, btw.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Yeah, synthesis is a Reaper-approved evolutionary path. How could that possibly be good news for us? Not even EDI sounds like EDI, and that's likely to be intentional. You didn't save everyone. Everyone is gone, since they're not themselves anymore. They're now "in harmony" with the Reapers. What a sweet victory, huh?

Here's a wierd, out-there thought. What if Shepard really is dead in Synthesis (wasn't real and Shepard got huskified, or Saren-ed), fast-forward everyone dies, Harvest is completed, and EDI is reprogrammed and placed inside a Human Reaper or becomes the Human Reaper's intelligence instead of Shep in Control.  Then we could be seeing a virtual reality from EDI's point of view (she narrates it after all and all her "hopes and dreams" come true), a "First Matrix" for EDI keeping her happy even as some part of her operates as a Reaper hibernating in Dark Space (EDI isn't an organic so she would never need to wake up from a "perfect world" because she doesn't need suffering to affirm what is real or not)?

Oh, sh** that's depressing...

But don't they need a conciousness from the species that made the Reaper, for instance a turian Reaper will need A turian for it's intelligence?

[spotlessvoid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Yeah, synthesis is a Reaper-approved evolutionary path. How could that possibly be good news for us? Not even EDI sounds like EDI, and that's likely to be intentional. You didn't save everyone. Everyone is gone, since they're not themselves anymore. They're now "in harmony" with the Reapers. What a sweet victory, huh?

Here's a wierd, out-there thought. What if Shepard really is dead in Synthesis (wasn't real and Shepard got huskified, or Saren-ed), fast-forward everyone dies, Harvest is completed, and EDI is reprogrammed and placed inside a Human Reaper or becomes the Human Reaper's intelligence instead of Shep in Control.  Then we could be seeing a virtual reality from EDI's point of view (she narrates it after all and all her "hopes and dreams" come true), a "First Matrix" for EDI keeping her happy even as some part of her operates as a Reaper hibernating in Dark Space (EDI isn't an organic so she would never need to wake up from a "perfect world" because she doesn't need suffering to affirm what is real or not)?

Oh, sh** that's depressing...

That would be depressing. I think Davik made a suggestion along those lines

[Restrider]

archangel1996 wrote...

demersel wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...
Beacuse we have the best bar .....wait we do not have a bar........why in the blue hell is he here then?

Forget him! More importantly, why the heck don't we have a bar????

Even the Normandy has a bar!!!

Well ther is a bar......but i will never ever go to THAT bar, it has just green and blue drinks.....

As long as it is not FUBAR... well, actually it is.
Edit: Most insightful comments always get top position...

Modifié par Restrider, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:38 .

[demersel]

Everyone ignored it, so I'll just bump it again. ( I really dig the bumping feature today:P)

demersel wrote...

 If ME4 features different spiecies protagonists - i really want the to do a drop in drop out co-op feature to play through main story compaign - like in the upcoming dead space 3 - but instead liniting it to just two player they can make it 3 or even 4. 
www.youtube.com/watch

From what I heard - the feature is really neat and well implemented - the catch is that players expirience different thing in game - both characters suffer from hallucinations and delusional perception of reality - so sometimes they even get entirely different levels. And sometimes a hallucination sequence will start for one player, while for the other it would seem as if he walks blindly in weird directions, and does not respond at all - and at that time an ambush would happen - so the second player will have to survive alone and at the same time protect the helpless first player - those are real examples from insider demos - concept is extremly rich, and I am eager to see what will they do with it and how far will they take it. 


But regardles of how it will be in dead space 3 - it is a great concept to implement into the next ME game - if seceral players will be playing mission together - some of them could be affected by indoctrination or something. 

So what do you guys thing? imagine that ME4 starts with an individual origin story, specific to class race and gender, DO:O style  - only one of those being Shepard, and only available via save import when choosing destroy. (other save imports are also accepted, but they just set the state of the galaxy, and include your shepard as indoctrinated antogonist)