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[BatmanTurian]

TheProtheans wrote...

Calling you delusional was obviously misplaced and I am sorry.
None of you actually care as much as I thought you did and would go on with your lifes without lifting a muscle to complain.

It's okay. You lie down with dogs and get fleas. People were telling you things about us that weren't true and you believed it. We get it all the time. 8-9 months of this has hardened our skin very well. We're used to it. But I accept your apology if you're sincere.

[TheProtheans]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Then you are about half-way there to understanding where we are coming from.

I understood where you were coming from 8 months ago.
There would be no plot holes, it was the answer to the problem.

Only problem is that there is still plot holes and no answer to save us.

[umadcommander]

TheProtheans wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If not right, big friggin' deal. Move on.
If right, Bioware can SHUTUP AND TAKE MY MONEY.

I really have nothing to lose because this is a video game and an anonymous forum, a place filled with people whose opinions I hardly care about except for the people whose presence I enjoy. My life is not centered around IT and it will not be affected negatively if I am wrong. I will just not care and move on.

umadcommander wrote...

people who support this theory wont start flipping desks if it is proven wrong, so far no one has managed to prove it wrong without resorting to trolling or insults

I find it hard to believe, the longer you resist something the more it will hurt.
You simply can't say you don't care, if you did you would be better than anti enders.
What makes you better than anti enders in controlling your emotions?

ive only been posting in this thread for about a week and a half, so far no one from here strikes me as unreasonable, far from it in fact. only the people who come in claiming we are deluded (and in your case claiming we are a cult LOL) have been the ones to give off a bad impression of this thread. Out of curiosity what ending did you pick?

I hardly remember the first ending I picked, I wasn't listening to the catalyst much so I didn't know which path did what.
I think I picked Destroy(without knowing it was destroy)


Second time I think I picked control.
While doing a replay for EC I think I picked destroy.

fair enough, how would you react if IT turned out to be true

[CoolioThane]

TheProtheans wrote...


Calling you delusional was obviously misplaced and I am sorry.
None of you actually care as much as I thought you did and would go on with your lifes without lifting a muscle to complain.

All of the complaining happened at the beginning.

We aren't complaining, we are celebrating.

If it turns out our celebrations were misplaced I think we'd all be a tad disappointed, but it's still only a video game lol

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I simply don't understand how someone can look at something like synthesis and be all "Yep! That's TOTALLY what I want the universe to be like!"

I mean christ, even in Deus Ex the transhumanism, while beneficial to some is generally frowned upon, even Adam Jensen is quite unhappy with the fact that he's not all human anymore. Synthesis is just disgusting in every sense of the word.

I think they let EDI's little happy monologue get to them.. which stated already is very unlike EDI.. the same EDI who told us that the reapers are repulsive.

I don't get it.

The people who seem to like it are either naive, contrarian, fascist, misanthropic, or some combination there-of. I only exclude LDS Revan because he has a condition. I wouldn't even put him in naive.

A condition?

He has confessed to having asperger's  multiple times, Byne.

Oh, right. Aspergers is no excuse for liking synthesis, though!

I also have it and no one would accuse me of liking synthesis.

[TheProtheans]

BatmanTurian wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Calling you delusional was obviously misplaced and I am sorry.
None of you actually care as much as I thought you did and would go on with your lifes without lifting a muscle to complain.

It's okay. You lie down with dogs and get fleas. People were telling you things about us that weren't true and you believed it. We get it all the time. 8-9 months of this has hardened our skin very well. We're used to it. But I accept your apology if you're sincere.

Then you can't accept it.

[IronSabbath88]

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If IT is wrong I'm taking it out on Byne. Rawr. *Shakes fist*

How dare I create a thread that fosters discussion and hope instead of hate and vitriol!

I bet you really did create this thread hoping to bring some hope back to the fans of Mass Effect. Really, that's how I feel about the whole thing aswell, but really quite a few people have been straight up rude and unforgiving when it comes to discussing the IT... it's amazing how hated it really is among the forums.

To quote Shepard. Without hope, we're just machines, programmed to do what we're told.

Heh.. kinda funny how that rings true for the community. The ones without hope are doing exactly what the ending tells them to. 

[GethPrimeMKII]

spotlessvoid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

hukbum wrote...
So ... why are you here anyway?

To find out why people believe in these theories with a passion despite nothing indicating the implementation of such a theory within a reasonably timeframe of the games release.

Question: For everyone in this thread.

Do you head canon Indoctrination in the ending?

Nothing indicates the possible implimentation of the theory? Its like you skipped straight here to insult us without bothering to check out the links on the front page.

Give 'im a break. Let's not get defensive too quickly. TheProtheans seems curious, which is good.

Guess you missed the delusional comment and the almost inevitable cult accusation lol

Theyre always easy to pick out. They all run through the same stupid tactics each and every time. I swear they all getting together every so often to plan and take turns trolling this thread.

[hukbum]

Eryri wrote...

hukbum wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Where are you guys talking about?

In the FOB there is a dialogue between an Alliance Med and a civilian, and it changes if you manange to shoot most husks and canibals with that stupid turret.

Again that makes no sense literally. How is Shepard killing a bunch of husks at the FOB supposed to affect the survival of the civilian when she's probably miles away?

It's more like - Kill Reapers, be fine

[TheProtheans]

umadcommander wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If not right, big friggin' deal. Move on.
If right, Bioware can SHUTUP AND TAKE MY MONEY.

I really have nothing to lose because this is a video game and an anonymous forum, a place filled with people whose opinions I hardly care about except for the people whose presence I enjoy. My life is not centered around IT and it will not be affected negatively if I am wrong. I will just not care and move on.

umadcommander wrote...

people who support this theory wont start flipping desks if it is proven wrong, so far no one has managed to prove it wrong without resorting to trolling or insults

I find it hard to believe, the longer you resist something the more it will hurt.
You simply can't say you don't care, if you did you would be better than anti enders.
What makes you better than anti enders in controlling your emotions?

ive only been posting in this thread for about a week and a half, so far no one from here strikes me as unreasonable, far from it in fact. only the people who come in claiming we are deluded (and in your case claiming we are a cult LOL) have been the ones to give off a bad impression of this thread. Out of curiosity what ending did you pick?

I hardly remember the first ending I picked, I wasn't listening to the catalyst much so I didn't know which path did what.
I think I picked Destroy(without knowing it was destroy)


Second time I think I picked control.
While doing a replay for EC I think I picked destroy.

fair enough, how would you react if IT turned out to be true

I would be happy there is no more plot holes.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I simply don't understand how someone can look at something like synthesis and be all "Yep! That's TOTALLY what I want the universe to be like!"

I mean christ, even in Deus Ex the transhumanism, while beneficial to some is generally frowned upon, even Adam Jensen is quite unhappy with the fact that he's not all human anymore. Synthesis is just disgusting in every sense of the word.

I think they let EDI's little happy monologue get to them.. which stated already is very unlike EDI.. the same EDI who told us that the reapers are repulsive.

I don't get it.

The people who seem to like it are either naive, contrarian, fascist, misanthropic, or some combination there-of. I only exclude LDS Revan because he has a condition. I wouldn't even put him in naive.

A condition?

He has confessed to having asperger's  multiple times, Byne.

Oh, right. Aspergers is no excuse for liking synthesis, though!

I also have it and no one would accuse me of liking synthesis.

Er...didn't know that. I'd still give him a break though. He's a nice guy at least.

[spotlessvoid]

Prothean:

You are saying that anyone caring if there is an eventual IT payoff IS delusional and cultish?

[IronSabbath88]

I personally hope that if there IS a payoff, we get to see all our war assets in action to the sounds of the Suicide Mission theme from ME2. The scales of epic would go through the roof with me.

[BatmanTurian]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If IT is wrong I'm taking it out on Byne. Rawr. *Shakes fist*

How dare I create a thread that fosters discussion and hope instead of hate and vitriol!

I bet you really did create this thread hoping to bring some hope back to the fans of Mass Effect. Really, that's how I feel about the whole thing aswell, but really quite a few people have been straight up rude and unforgiving when it comes to discussing the IT... it's amazing how hated it really is among the forums.

To quote Shepard. Without hope, we're just machines, programmed to do what we're told.

Heh.. kinda funny how that rings true for the community. The ones without hope are doing exactly what the ending tells them to. 

IT is only hated here. At HTL they seemed to like it. We who post on the Bioware forums are a minority. Not to mention all the lurkers who read our wharrrgarble and go " Yeah, that makes sense." but never post.

[umadcommander]

TheProtheans wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If not right, big friggin' deal. Move on.
If right, Bioware can SHUTUP AND TAKE MY MONEY.

I really have nothing to lose because this is a video game and an anonymous forum, a place filled with people whose opinions I hardly care about except for the people whose presence I enjoy. My life is not centered around IT and it will not be affected negatively if I am wrong. I will just not care and move on.

umadcommander wrote...

people who support this theory wont start flipping desks if it is proven wrong, so far no one has managed to prove it wrong without resorting to trolling or insults

I find it hard to believe, the longer you resist something the more it will hurt.
You simply can't say you don't care, if you did you would be better than anti enders.
What makes you better than anti enders in controlling your emotions?

ive only been posting in this thread for about a week and a half, so far no one from here strikes me as unreasonable, far from it in fact. only the people who come in claiming we are deluded (and in your case claiming we are a cult LOL) have been the ones to give off a bad impression of this thread. Out of curiosity what ending did you pick?

I hardly remember the first ending I picked, I wasn't listening to the catalyst much so I didn't know which path did what.
I think I picked Destroy(without knowing it was destroy)


Second time I think I picked control.
While doing a replay for EC I think I picked destroy.

fair enough, how would you react if IT turned out to be true

I would be happy there is no more plot holes.

then i am rather confused as to why youd come into this thread and label its top posters a joke

[TheProtheans]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Prothean:

You are saying that anyone caring if there is an eventual IT payoff IS delusional and cultish?

To answer this.
How do you guys view Seival?

[DoomsdayDevice]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

if there is an option to save everyone, which there is, I will take it.

And this is exactly what the ending tries to accomplish.

The Reapers are simply exploiting the human weakness of always wanting to save everyone.

The dreams prepare you for this. In the dreams, you're hearing voices of dead companions, and you're chasing a child who, no matter how hard you try to help him, will always burn before your eyes. It's about reminding you of, and making you feel guilty for the people you couldn't save.

All of this is preparing you for the ending, where the Reapers are trying to sway you from the option that is least favourable to them, by telling you that your friends will die.

What's the number one reason non-destroyers pick their endings? They don't want to sacrifice EDI and the Geth. They want to save everyone. The Reapers are simply exploiting the human weakness of always wanting to save everyone (or at least as many as possible).

But the game (through dialogues with your squadmates) teaches you time and again that that is not always the best course of action.

The key is understanding that you can't always win and save everyone at the same time. As a military leader, sometimes you need to make the hard choices and sacrifice the few to save the many.

Garrus: If just one survivor is left standing at the end of the war, then the fight was worth it. But humans want to save everyone. In this war, that's not going to happen.

Shepard: If you'd saved them all, would things have worked out better?
Vega: I... I don't know. I don't think so.
Shepard: The right choice is usually not the easy one.

(Also: implying there are right and wrong choices!)

Salarian councilor: Sometimes Spectres have to make sacrifices. I hope you're ready to do that when the time comes.

Omega even made a point to explain this even better. It's a huge clue for understanding the ending:

Aria: Nyreen's code of ethics won't let her sit by if civilians are exposed. It's what makes her utterly predictable and easy to manipulate.

I think you should remember that the Reapers are extremely cunning and manipulative. They have brainwashed countless cycles' leaders into begging to be harvested. They do this by twisting your perception. They know how to manipulate organics, and humans are easy to manipulate either by a promise of power or by a promise of eternal peace and no more dead pals.

And that's how Bioware manipulates the player. They condition us to care for these characters, they reward us all throughout three games for choosing paragon options that create peace and harmony and ensure everybody survives. The whole point of the suicide mission was to keep as many people alive as possible. Even Omega rewards us for taking the paragon route at the reactor: even though we are prepared to sacrifice Aria and Nyreen for the many people of Omega, we can save everyone!

And then we come at the end, and it's a whole different ball game. These guys are ancient, savagely intelligent. They can influence the way our brains work in ways we don't even know. Don't even think to underestimate them. Go along with their suggestions, and you'll be in for a hell of a surprise:

Soldier:  But converting other life forms into Reapers... I can't wrap my head around that.
Garrus: Makes sense to me.  It ensures you never run out of cannon fodder. Eliminates any local resistance. And for every soldier you add, your enemy loses two: the one you converted, and his buddy on the other side who can't pull the trigger on a friend. (...)
Soldier: But the Reapers want to destroy us.
Garrus: And I have no intention of letting them. But If you don't respect your enemy's capabilities, you're in for one nasty surprise after another.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 04 décembre 2012 - 12:56 .

[CoolioThane]

IT makes so much sense

[spotlessvoid]

TheProtheans wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Prothean:

You are saying that anyone caring if there is an eventual IT payoff IS delusional and cultish?

To answer this.
How do you guys view Seival?

Take your own bait

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I simply don't understand how someone can look at something like synthesis and be all "Yep! That's TOTALLY what I want the universe to be like!"

I mean christ, even in Deus Ex the transhumanism, while beneficial to some is generally frowned upon, even Adam Jensen is quite unhappy with the fact that he's not all human anymore. Synthesis is just disgusting in every sense of the word.

I think they let EDI's little happy monologue get to them.. which stated already is very unlike EDI.. the same EDI who told us that the reapers are repulsive.

I don't get it.

The people who seem to like it are either naive, contrarian, fascist, misanthropic, or some combination there-of. I only exclude LDS Revan because he has a condition. I wouldn't even put him in naive.

A condition?

He has confessed to having asperger's  multiple times, Byne.

Oh, right. Aspergers is no excuse for liking synthesis, though!

I also have it and no one would accuse me of liking synthesis.

Er...didn't know that. I'd still give him a break though. He's a nice guy at least.

I'm also trying to get on this side, but it is challenging to completely change your outlook on something.

[BatmanTurian]

TheProtheans wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Calling you delusional was obviously misplaced and I am sorry.
None of you actually care as much as I thought you did and would go on with your lifes without lifting a muscle to complain.

It's okay. You lie down with dogs and get fleas. People were telling you things about us that weren't true and you believed it. We get it all the time. 8-9 months of this has hardened our skin very well. We're used to it. But I accept your apology if you're sincere.

Then you can't accept it.

So... what? You're not sincere about your apology?

I don't have much tolerance for passive-aggression...

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 décembre 2012 - 12:31 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

TheProtheans wrote...

How do you guys view Seival?

None more indoctrinated.

[Eryri]

hukbum wrote...

Eryri wrote...

hukbum wrote...

In the FOB there is a dialogue between an Alliance Med and a civilian, and it changes if you manange to shoot most husks and canibals with that stupid turret.

Again that makes no sense literally. How is Shepard killing a bunch of husks at the FOB supposed to affect the survival of the civilian when she's probably miles away?

It's more like - Kill Reapers, be fine

Hmm... Do you think that means that the civilian on the radio is an auditory hallucination - which is more or less depressing depending on Shepard's self-belief based on his performance with the turret? Or am I reading too much into a game mechanic? 

[byne]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

How do you guys view Seival?

None more indoctrinated.

Basically this. Sometimes people jokingly call literalists indoctrinated, but I think Seival actually is indoctrinated.

[BatmanTurian]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I'm also trying to get on this side, but it is challenging to completely change your outlook on something.

I hope you don't think I'm trying to talk like you aren't here or patronizing you. Because I'm not trying to do that.