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Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

demersel wrote...

 By the way guys, just wanted to remind all those who say Bioware and EA are not smart enough to pull out IT -
here's the ending to a simple mainstream horror shooter produced and published by the very same evil dumb EA -
www.youtube.com/watch


So "it was all just a dream" endings are genius endings these days? It stopped being genius after A Link To The Past did it. That's the only game that managed to pull of the "All Just A Dream" trope rather well.


You mean Link's Awakening, which was so much retarded in one place it almost collapsed into itself.  Link To The Past was nothing to do with dreams, and actually a good game.


I thought Link to the Past was like... time travel or something?

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BatmanTurian wrote...

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Watching this thread is so much more entertaining than anything else I am doing. I don't know if that reflects poorly on me, or is a good thing about this thread.


I... think this thread is generally positive and usually has a light, humorous mood by default.

My usual thread(group) is strangely silent right now, I think I'll stick here for a bit. 

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shadoww6021 wrote...

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Indeed. And Knoxx actually gave everyone who bought Minecraft in the alpha or beta fase a crazy discount. And he used the money he made from those sails to continue expanding on Minecraft, FOR FREE indeed. Now THAT'S something I approve of!

I'm sure there will be some kind of expansion down the road. And I think you meant Notch.


Jep I meant Notch. How the hell did I come up with Knoxx? Silly me. :lol:



Wow, you and me getting along. I think the Mayans might have been right.


this is not going to end well:bandit:

I'm joking actually.  ^_^

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

demersel wrote...

 By the way guys, just wanted to remind all those who say Bioware and EA are not smart enough to pull out IT -
here's the ending to a simple mainstream horror shooter produced and published by the very same evil dumb EA -
www.youtube.com/watch


So "it was all just a dream" endings are genius endings these days? It stopped being genius after A Link To The Past did it. That's the only game that managed to pull of the "All Just A Dream" trope rather well.


Hanar you are dumb. In Dead space it wasn't "it was just a dream". 

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

demersel wrote...

 By the way guys, just wanted to remind all those who say Bioware and EA are not smart enough to pull out IT -
here's the ending to a simple mainstream horror shooter produced and published by the very same evil dumb EA -
www.youtube.com/watch


So "it was all just a dream" endings are genius endings these days? It stopped being genius after A Link To The Past did it. That's the only game that managed to pull of the "All Just A Dream" trope rather well.


You mean Link's Awakening, which was so much retarded in one place it almost collapsed into itself.  Link To The Past was nothing to do with dreams, and actually a good game.


I thought Link to the Past was like... time travel or something?


No, I believe it was an alternate dimension.  I forget the details, haven't played it in eons.  Last non-handheld Zelda I got a chance to play.

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demersel wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

demersel wrote...

 By the way guys, just wanted to remind all those who say Bioware and EA are not smart enough to pull out IT -
here's the ending to a simple mainstream horror shooter produced and published by the very same evil dumb EA -
www.youtube.com/watch


So "it was all just a dream" endings are genius endings these days? It stopped being genius after A Link To The Past did it. That's the only game that managed to pull of the "All Just A Dream" trope rather well.


Hanar you are dumb. In Dead space it wasn't "it was just a dream". 


Of course he's dumb.  He thinks Link's Awakening was the pinnacle of dream writing.  Humans have been writing for thousands of years, but only with Link's Awakening did this type of story wear out its welcome.  Because you couldn't top this thing.

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Look at that thing!  What the hell is that thing!  A float in a gypsy pride parade?  That's the apex of a genre for sure.

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I think its a whale

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Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

demersel wrote...

 By the way guys, just wanted to remind all those who say Bioware and EA are not smart enough to pull out IT -
here's the ending to a simple mainstream horror shooter produced and published by the very same evil dumb EA -
www.youtube.com/watch


So "it was all just a dream" endings are genius endings these days? It stopped being genius after A Link To The Past did it. That's the only game that managed to pull of the "All Just A Dream" trope rather well.


You mean Link's Awakening, which was so much retarded in one place it almost collapsed into itself.  Link To The Past was nothing to do with dreams, and actually a good game.


I thought Link to the Past was like... time travel or something?


No, I believe it was an alternate dimension.  I forget the details, haven't played it in eons.  Last non-handheld Zelda I got a chance to play.

Yeah, looking at wiki now. I must have been thinking of Ocarina of Time.

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I said A Link To The Past, but I actually meant to say Links Awakening. My bad for screwing the 2 up.

And Rifneno stop trolling. Links Awakening did the plottwist rather well halfway through the game and worked to a rather epic conclusion where Link and I as a gamer actually felt bad for waking the Windfish up, because waking him up would mean the end of this reality, which i felt sad about because I really grew to like the characters in that game so much.

The IT would never have the same weight or emotional impact as Links Awakening did.

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Regaurding Choose Wisely Ep. 3, I believe it has been delayed, and "might" appear Friday.

On another note, I've just relized this thread has far surpassed the other two!!

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demersel wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

demersel wrote...

 By the way guys, just wanted to remind all those who say Bioware and EA are not smart enough to pull out IT -
here's the ending to a simple mainstream horror shooter produced and published by the very same evil dumb EA -
www.youtube.com/watch


So "it was all just a dream" endings are genius endings these days? It stopped being genius after A Link To The Past did it. That's the only game that managed to pull of the "All Just A Dream" trope rather well.


Hanar you are dumb. In Dead space it wasn't "it was just a dream". 


Haven't played the game so I wouldn't know. Just watched the ending. I guess I miss a whole lot of context to fully understand what I see. What is so great about it?

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The IT would never have the same weight or emotional impact as Links Awakening did.


At this point I almost think you're saying this purely to troll Rif.

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401 Kill wrote...

Regaurding Choose Wisely Ep. 3, I believe it has been delayed, and "might" appear Friday.

On another note, I've just relized this thread has far surpassed the other two!!


We need some dancing shep, stat.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

demersel wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

demersel wrote...

 By the way guys, just wanted to remind all those who say Bioware and EA are not smart enough to pull out IT -
here's the ending to a simple mainstream horror shooter produced and published by the very same evil dumb EA -
www.youtube.com/watch


So "it was all just a dream" endings are genius endings these days? It stopped being genius after A Link To The Past did it. That's the only game that managed to pull of the "All Just A Dream" trope rather well.


Hanar you are dumb. In Dead space it wasn't "it was just a dream". 


Haven't played the game so I wouldn't know. Just watched the ending. I guess I miss a whole lot of context to fully understand what I see. What is so great about it?


The ending was a delusion created by an alien artifact. You end up helping it without realizing it. Or, if you're like me, realizing it but knowing you can't complete the game without going along with it. I hate when I figure out things before the main character does. The IT proposes something similar is happening at the end of ME3.

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byne wrote...

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The IT would never have the same weight or emotional impact as Links Awakening did.


At this point I almost think you're saying this purely to troll Rif.


No, it's because he has no higher brain function.

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I'm just going to post this here for more comments. This is an idea I brought up a while ago but it never got much discussion going for it:

I would like to suggest the possibility that the Reapers are nothing more than very advanced husks, Leviathan husks in particular.

Being constructed from the genetics of other species would make the Reapers different than the conventional husks we see, which retain at least some outward semblance of the species used to create it. The apparent intelligence difference (or rather, flexibility of thinking) also appears much greater in a Reaper than in a husk footsoldier.

But consider this: from our point of view, husks have a far more limited focus. So much of a limited focus that they seem to have lost their former intelligence and could be classified as sophisticated VIs. Some evidence of higher intelligence can be seen in the strategies they use in battles but, in the end, they only have competence within the context of their function.

But the Leviathans were EXTREMELY intelligent. Far beyond where we currently are in the evolutionary curve. A Leviathan husk to us would seem immensely intelligent. However, a Leviathan would likely see a Reaper as nothing more than a crude, mindless imitation, much as we view human husks.

To me, this means that, as crazy as it may seem, the Reapers are actually extremely complicated VIs. Their thinking appears to be genuine AI because of how complex the Leviathans' minds were.

What this means in the context of the ME universe is, quite simply, that unless the Leviathan intelligence itself is destroyed, the threat that the Reapers posed will outlive them. Shepard destroys the Reapers in this cycle but the Intelligence, should it survive, will try to find another way to fulfill this function. How it might evolve its own methods to do this is a complete wild card at this point but it will certainly do whatever it feels it has to to gain control of evolution.

Anyway, just wanted to throw this out here. Might be a possibility for where ME 4 could go. Then again, maybe not. What's everyone think?

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BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Regaurding Choose Wisely Ep. 3, I believe it has been delayed, and "might" appear Friday.

On another note, I've just relized this thread has far surpassed the other two!!


We need some dancing shep, stat.


Here you go! 

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Get off the just a dream trope bs.

IT is NOT a reset, doesn't retcon anything, and doesn't make what occurs meaningless.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Regaurding Choose Wisely Ep. 3, I believe it has been delayed, and "might" appear Friday.

On another note, I've just relized this thread has far surpassed the other two!!


We need some dancing shep, stat.

Or... Y'know... The Quarian one...:devil:

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Get off the just a dream trope bs.

IT is NOT a reset, doesn't retcon anything, and doesn't make what occurs meaningless.


Unlike Skittles the Godwhale.

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TheConstantOne wrote...

I'm just going to post this here for more comments. This is an idea I brought up a while ago but it never got much discussion going for it:

I would like to suggest the possibility that the Reapers are nothing more than very advanced husks, Leviathan husks in particular.

Being constructed from the genetics of other species would make the Reapers different than the conventional husks we see, which retain at least some outward semblance of the species used to create it. The apparent intelligence difference (or rather, flexibility of thinking) also appears much greater in a Reaper than in a husk footsoldier.

But consider this: from our point of view, husks have a far more limited focus. So much of a limited focus that they seem to have lost their former intelligence and could be classified as sophisticated VIs. Some evidence of higher intelligence can be seen in the strategies they use in battles but, in the end, they only have competence within the context of their function.

But the Leviathans were EXTREMELY intelligent. Far beyond where we currently are in the evolutionary curve. A Leviathan husk to us would seem immensely intelligent. However, a Leviathan would likely see a Reaper as nothing more than a crude, mindless imitation, much as we view human husks.

To me, this means that, as crazy as it may seem, the Reapers are actually extremely complicated VIs. Their thinking appears to be genuine AI because of how complex the Leviathans' minds were.

What this means in the context of the ME universe is, quite simply, that unless the Leviathan intelligence itself is destroyed, the threat that the Reapers posed will outlive them. Shepard destroys the Reapers in this cycle but the Intelligence, should it survive, will try to find another way to fulfill this function. How it might evolve its own methods to do this is a complete wild card at this point but it will certainly do whatever it feels it has to to gain control of evolution.

Anyway, just wanted to throw this out here. Might be a possibility for where ME 4 could go. Then again, maybe not. What's everyone think?


I've been pretty sure the Reapers are cyborg zombies since ME2 so yeah, advanced husks fits but I think husks are VI's where as Reapers are AI's . As for the intelligence the leviathans made, I'm with Doomsday. Harbinger is the original intelligence after it downloaded itself into a Reaper made out of Leviathans.

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Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Regaurding Choose Wisely Ep. 3, I believe it has been delayed, and "might" appear Friday.

On another note, I've just relized this thread has far surpassed the other two!!


We need some dancing shep, stat.


Here you go! 



And another, for good measure! 

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Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

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The IT would never have the same weight or emotional impact as Links Awakening did.


At this point I almost think you're saying this purely to troll Rif.


No, it's because he has no higher brain function.


Keep insulting me jackass and I might hit that "report" button.

Trolling is something I can handle. But your insults are getting rather out of hand. Might want to cut the crap you sad pathetic internet toughguy.

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Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Get off the just a dream trope bs.

IT is NOT a reset, doesn't retcon anything, and doesn't make what occurs meaningless.


Unlike Skittles the Godwhale.


I'm pretty sure I saw one of those in a urinal while tripping on liquid in high school.

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Haven't played the game so I wouldn't know. Just watched the ending. I guess I miss a whole lot of context to fully understand what I see. What is so great about it?


Maybe you shouldn't have commented on someting you have no idea about, then? 
You are to dumb to understand anyway.