Dwailing wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
401 Kill wrote...
Regaurding Choose Wisely Ep. 3, I believe it has been delayed, and "might" appear Friday.
On another note, I've just relized this thread has far surpassed the other two!!
We need some dancing shep, stat.
Here you go!
401 Kill wrote...
Or... Y'know... The Quarian one...BatmanTurian wrote...
401 Kill wrote...
Regaurding Choose Wisely Ep. 3, I believe it has been delayed, and "might" appear Friday.
On another note, I've just relized this thread has far surpassed the other two!!
We need some dancing shep, stat.
Dwailing wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
401 Kill wrote...
Regaurding Choose Wisely Ep. 3, I believe it has been delayed, and "might" appear Friday.
On another note, I've just relized this thread has far surpassed the other two!!
We need some dancing shep, stat.
Here you go!
And another, for good measure!
Modifié par byne, 04 décembre 2012 - 02:57 .
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
byne wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
The IT would never have the same weight or emotional impact as Links Awakening did.
At this point I almost think you're saying this purely to troll Rif.
No, it's because he has no higher brain function.
Keep insulting me jackass and I might hit that "report" button.
Trolling is something I can handle. But your insults are getting rather out of hand. Might want to cut the crap you sad pathetic internet toughguy.
spotlessvoid wrote...
Get off the just a dream trope bs.
IT is NOT a reset, doesn't retcon anything, and doesn't make what occurs meaningless.
demersel wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Haven't played the game so I wouldn't know. Just watched the ending. I guess I miss a whole lot of context to fully understand what I see. What is so great about it?
Maybe you shouldn't have commented on someting you have no idea about, then?
You are to dumb to understand anyway.
TheConstantOne wrote...
I'm just going to post this here for more comments. This is an idea I brought up a while ago but it never got much discussion going for it:
I would like to suggest the possibility that the Reapers are nothing more than very advanced husks, Leviathan husks in particular.
Being constructed from the genetics of other species would make the Reapers different than the conventional husks we see, which retain at least some outward semblance of the species used to create it. The apparent intelligence difference (or rather, flexibility of thinking) also appears much greater in a Reaper than in a husk footsoldier.
But consider this: from our point of view, husks have a far more limited focus. So much of a limited focus that they seem to have lost their former intelligence and could be classified as sophisticated VIs. Some evidence of higher intelligence can be seen in the strategies they use in battles but, in the end, they only have competence within the context of their function.
But the Leviathans were EXTREMELY intelligent. Far beyond where we currently are in the evolutionary curve. A Leviathan husk to us would seem immensely intelligent. However, a Leviathan would likely see a Reaper as nothing more than a crude, mindless imitation, much as we view human husks.
To me, this means that, as crazy as it may seem, the Reapers are actually extremely complicated VIs. Their thinking appears to be genuine AI because of how complex the Leviathans' minds were.
What this means in the context of the ME universe is, quite simply, that unless the Leviathan intelligence itself is destroyed, the threat that the Reapers posed will outlive them. Shepard destroys the Reapers in this cycle but the Intelligence, should it survive, will try to find another way to fulfill this function. How it might evolve its own methods to do this is a complete wild card at this point but it will certainly do whatever it feels it has to to gain control of evolution.
Anyway, just wanted to throw this out here. Might be a possibility for where ME 4 could go. Then again, maybe not. What's everyone think?
BatmanTurian wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
demersel wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
demersel wrote...
By the way guys, just wanted to remind all those who say Bioware and EA are not smart enough to pull out IT -
here's the ending to a simple mainstream horror shooter produced and published by the very same evil dumb EA -
www.youtube.com/watch
So "it was all just a dream" endings are genius endings these days? It stopped being genius after A Link To The Past did it. That's the only game that managed to pull of the "All Just A Dream" trope rather well.
Hanar you are dumb. In Dead space it wasn't "it was just a dream".
Haven't played the game so I wouldn't know. Just watched the ending. I guess I miss a whole lot of context to fully understand what I see. What is so great about it?
The ending was a delusion created by an alien artifact. You end up helping it without realizing it. Or, if you're like me, realizing it but knowing you can't complete the game without going along with it. I hate when I figure out things before the main character does. The IT proposes something similar is happening at the end of ME3.
byne wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
401 Kill wrote...
Regaurding Choose Wisely Ep. 3, I believe it has been delayed, and "might" appear Friday.
On another note, I've just relized this thread has far surpassed the other two!!
We need some dancing shep, stat.
Here you go!
And another, for good measure!
Techno Turian is clearly the best dancer in the series.
Modifié par 401 Kill, 04 décembre 2012 - 03:00 .
BatmanTurian wrote...
The ending was a delusion created by an alien artifact. You end up helping it without realizing it. Or, if you're like me, realizing it but knowing you can't complete the game without going along with it. I hate when I figure out things before the main character does. The IT proposes something similar is happening at the end of ME3.
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Sounds like an ending that could be cool. The IT could also have been cool if it was in the game from the very beginning. Trying to implement it retroactively just doesn't work for so many reasons. For starters; it would feel incredibly cheap and everyone would feel ripped off for several reasons. Some people actually started to like the current endings, and other people like me just simply have to puke by the very idea that I'll have to pay 20 bucks more to get my real trilogy ending.
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 décembre 2012 - 02:59 .
I didn't get that vibe. It was more like " oh my god she's alive, thank god. Now I'll follow her around like a puppy and do everything she says because I love her and she would never betray me."demersel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
The ending was a delusion created by an alien artifact. You end up helping it without realizing it. Or, if you're like me, realizing it but knowing you can't complete the game without going along with it. I hate when I figure out things before the main character does. The IT proposes something similar is happening at the end of ME3.
But really it makes no difference - the main character might have figured it out but still go forward driven by the desire to destroy the artifact.
Rifneno wrote...
byne wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
The IT would never have the same weight or emotional impact as Links Awakening did.
At this point I almost think you're saying this purely to troll Rif.
No, it's because he has no higher brain function.
BatmanTurian wrote...
TheConstantOne wrote...
I'm just going to post this here for more comments. This is an idea I brought up a while ago but it never got much discussion going for it:
I would like to suggest the possibility that the Reapers are nothing more than very advanced husks, Leviathan husks in particular.
Being constructed from the genetics of other species would make the Reapers different than the conventional husks we see, which retain at least some outward semblance of the species used to create it. The apparent intelligence difference (or rather, flexibility of thinking) also appears much greater in a Reaper than in a husk footsoldier.
But consider this: from our point of view, husks have a far more limited focus. So much of a limited focus that they seem to have lost their former intelligence and could be classified as sophisticated VIs. Some evidence of higher intelligence can be seen in the strategies they use in battles but, in the end, they only have competence within the context of their function.
But the Leviathans were EXTREMELY intelligent. Far beyond where we currently are in the evolutionary curve. A Leviathan husk to us would seem immensely intelligent. However, a Leviathan would likely see a Reaper as nothing more than a crude, mindless imitation, much as we view human husks.
To me, this means that, as crazy as it may seem, the Reapers are actually extremely complicated VIs. Their thinking appears to be genuine AI because of how complex the Leviathans' minds were.
What this means in the context of the ME universe is, quite simply, that unless the Leviathan intelligence itself is destroyed, the threat that the Reapers posed will outlive them. Shepard destroys the Reapers in this cycle but the Intelligence, should it survive, will try to find another way to fulfill this function. How it might evolve its own methods to do this is a complete wild card at this point but it will certainly do whatever it feels it has to to gain control of evolution.
Anyway, just wanted to throw this out here. Might be a possibility for where ME 4 could go. Then again, maybe not. What's everyone think?
I've been pretty sure the Reapers are cyborg zombies since ME2 so yeah, advanced husks fits but I think husks are VI's where as Reapers are AI's . As for the intelligence the leviathans made, I'm with Doomsday. Harbinger is the original intelligence after it downloaded itself into a Reaper made out of Leviathans.
BatmanTurian wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Sounds like an ending that could be cool. The IT could also have been cool if it was in the game from the very beginning. Trying to implement it retroactively just doesn't work for so many reasons. For starters; it would feel incredibly cheap and everyone would feel ripped off for several reasons. Some people actually started to like the current endings, and other people like me just simply have to puke by the very idea that I'll have to pay 20 bucks more to get my real trilogy ending.
Well... it wouldn't be retro-actively because it's already there but then Dead Space did reveal the deception before the game ended.
401 Kill wrote...
I just want to restate something I posted yesterday, I'm not sure if anybody else has come up with this.
What does the Squad Evac scene at the end remind you of?
For me, it reminds me of when Anderson tells Shepard to leave him behind on Earth, while Shepard escapes on the Normandy. Your squad is standing on the ramp leading up to the Normandy, not wishing to leave Shepard behind. Shepard is standing on the ramp of the Normandy, not wanting to leave Anderson behind. It seemed like certain suicide in both cases. There even is a Reaper ship in close proximity that refuses to fire upon the Normandy. The most interesting part of this is:
Shepard and Anderson are eventually reunited.
shadoww6021 wrote...
TheConstantOne wrote...
I'm just going to post this here for more comments. This is an idea I brought up a while ago but it never got much discussion going for it:
I would like to suggest the possibility that the Reapers are nothing more than very advanced husks, Leviathan husks in particular.
Being constructed from the genetics of other species would make the Reapers different than the conventional husks we see, which retain at least some outward semblance of the species used to create it. The apparent intelligence difference (or rather, flexibility of thinking) also appears much greater in a Reaper than in a husk footsoldier.
But consider this: from our point of view, husks have a far more limited focus. So much of a limited focus that they seem to have lost their former intelligence and could be classified as sophisticated VIs. Some evidence of higher intelligence can be seen in the strategies they use in battles but, in the end, they only have competence within the context of their function.
But the Leviathans were EXTREMELY intelligent. Far beyond where we currently are in the evolutionary curve. A Leviathan husk to us would seem immensely intelligent. However, a Leviathan would likely see a Reaper as nothing more than a crude, mindless imitation, much as we view human husks.
To me, this means that, as crazy as it may seem, the Reapers are actually extremely complicated VIs. Their thinking appears to be genuine AI because of how complex the Leviathans' minds were.
What this means in the context of the ME universe is, quite simply, that unless the Leviathan intelligence itself is destroyed, the threat that the Reapers posed will outlive them. Shepard destroys the Reapers in this cycle but the Intelligence, should it survive, will try to find another way to fulfill this function. How it might evolve its own methods to do this is a complete wild card at this point but it will certainly do whatever it feels it has to to gain control of evolution.
Anyway, just wanted to throw this out here. Might be a possibility for where ME 4 could go. Then again, maybe not. What's everyone think?
perhaps the true enemy is the leviathans, despite everything the reapers have done, after the "victory" (IT or not) the leviathans would want to begin there empire again, by taking over the entire galaxy once again. this could be where our new heroecan come in.
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Sounds like an ending that could be cool. The IT could also have been cool if it was in the game from the very beginning. Trying to implement it retroactively just doesn't work for so many reasons. For starters; it would feel incredibly cheap and everyone would feel ripped off for several reasons. Some people actually started to like the current endings, and other people like me just simply have to puke by the very idea that I'll have to pay 20 bucks more to get my real trilogy ending.
Well... it wouldn't be retro-actively because it's already there but then Dead Space did reveal the deception before the game ended.
It's not there. If it was there than the majority of the fanbase would see it. This is not the case. The vast majority doesn't see it. That means it's rather poorly implemented, or not implemented at all.
I mean seriously, most of those "clues" you folks dig up are truly far-fetched. It really can't believe that BioWare would have planned something like IT. If they would implement IT, it would be retroactively.
Modifié par demersel, 04 décembre 2012 - 03:05 .
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Sounds like an ending that could be cool. The IT could also have been cool if it was in the game from the very beginning. Trying to implement it retroactively just doesn't work for so many reasons. For starters; it would feel incredibly cheap and everyone would feel ripped off for several reasons. Some people actually started to like the current endings, and other people like me just simply have to puke by the very idea that I'll have to pay 20 bucks more to get my real trilogy ending.
Well... it wouldn't be retro-actively because it's already there but then Dead Space did reveal the deception before the game ended.
It's not there. If it was there than the majority of the fanbase would see it. This is not the case. The vast majority doesn't see it. That means it's rather poorly implemented, or not implemented at all.
I mean seriously, most of those "clues" you folks dig up are truly far-fetched. It really can't believe that BioWare would have planned something like IT. If they would implement IT, it would be retroactively.
spotlessvoid wrote...
I like how he speaks so authoritatively on behalf of everyone. Really strengthens the points he's making
BatmanTurian wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Sounds like an ending that could be cool. The IT could also have been cool if it was in the game from the very beginning. Trying to implement it retroactively just doesn't work for so many reasons. For starters; it would feel incredibly cheap and everyone would feel ripped off for several reasons. Some people actually started to like the current endings, and other people like me just simply have to puke by the very idea that I'll have to pay 20 bucks more to get my real trilogy ending.
Well... it wouldn't be retro-actively because it's already there but then Dead Space did reveal the deception before the game ended.
It's not there. If it was there than the majority of the fanbase would see it. This is not the case. The vast majority doesn't see it. That means it's rather poorly implemented, or not implemented at all.
I mean seriously, most of those "clues" you folks dig up are truly far-fetched. It really can't believe that BioWare would have planned something like IT. If they would implement IT, it would be retroactively.
Well... let's try not to mix opinions with facts here...
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