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[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

You know, I'm a bit fed up of all the people claiming IT is all about Shepard dreaming.

Yeah. And Dragon Age's The Fade was all about just dreaming too, wasn't it? Oh wait, no it wasn't.

The Fade obviously aren't the same thing as Indoctrination, but they are suspitiously similar. Both use memories to construct a false reality, and attempt to trap the victim inside it. Both are highly manipulative and sinister in nature. Both have an effect on the 'real world'. And both are used by maleviolent horror-beings that want to use their victims for their own goals.

I think the Fade actually edged out in the creepiness factor simply for the Black City. I hope they go into what that thing really is before they run the series into the ground. Ditto for the Primeval Thaig. The Primeval Thaig was the only thing in Dragon Age that matched the Derelict Reaper for atmosphere.

But yeah, people generally go to the "all a dream" well because they don't understand and don't want to understand.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

You know, I'm a bit fed up of all the people claiming IT is all about Shepard dreaming.

Yeah. And Dragon Age's The Fade was all about just dreaming too, wasn't it? Oh wait, no it wasn't.

The Fade obviously aren't the same thing as Indoctrination, but they are suspitiously similar. Both use memories to construct a false reality, and attempt to trap the victim inside it. Both are highly manipulative and sinister in nature. Both have an effect on the 'real world'. And both are used by maleviolent horror-beings that want to use their victims for their own goals.

I think the Fade actually edged out in the creepiness factor simply for the Black City. I hope they go into what that thing really is before they run the series into the ground. Ditto for the Primeval Thaig. The Primeval Thaig was the only thing in Dragon Age that matched the Derelict Reaper for atmosphere.

But yeah, people generally go to the "all a dream" well because they don't understand and don't want to understand.

Entering the Fade in DA: O was also the moment where I started to get into the game as well.  Before then I was a bit 'eh, its okay' about it.  But my goodness, the Fade is amazing.

And scary as all hell.  I got real bad vibes using the Spirit Form you learn.

Edit http://dragonage.wik...City_(Full).jpg

The floating islands look rather like Reapers.  Or Hanar.  And a wizard's hat.

Modifié par Andromidius, 04 décembre 2012 - 04:25 .

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

You know, I'm a bit fed up of all the people claiming IT is all about Shepard dreaming.

Yeah. And Dragon Age's The Fade was all about just dreaming too, wasn't it? Oh wait, no it wasn't.

The Fade obviously aren't the same thing as Indoctrination, but they are suspitiously similar. Both use memories to construct a false reality, and attempt to trap the victim inside it. Both are highly manipulative and sinister in nature. Both have an effect on the 'real world'. And both are used by maleviolent horror-beings that want to use their victims for their own goals.

I think the Fade actually edged out in the creepiness factor simply for the Black City. I hope they go into what that thing really is before they run the series into the ground. Ditto for the Primeval Thaig. The Primeval Thaig was the only thing in Dragon Age that matched the Derelict Reaper for atmosphere.

But yeah, people generally go to the "all a dream" well because they don't understand and don't want to understand.

Entering the Fade in DA: O was also the moment where I started to get into the game as well.  Before then I was a bit 'eh, its okay' about it.  But my goodness, the Fade is amazing.

And scary as all hell.  I got real bad vibes using the Spirit Form you learn.

I take it you didn't start as a mage?  It seemed the entire theme of the mage origin was about not trusting.  I love when you call out "mouse" on his deception and the character's head starts looking far above as it morphs into a colossal pride demon.

[ZerebusPrime]

Capt. Pancake wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Capt. Pancake wrote...


am I grasping at staws?
or am I just insain?

Insane?  Your name is Capt. Pancake.  Insanity should be a given with no bearing on whether or not believing in the Indoctrination Theory is itself valid.

not quite the help I was looking for but thanks all the same
btw can take a joke so ha ha

Hey, at least I saw your post.

Capt. Pancake wrote...

so someone clarify, so Leviathan decided what the hell lets go for it. Instead of holding on to Shepard for 50k years? if so what could/might we expect for ME4? They even refer to indoctrination seem to be quite a key point throughout the whole series.

The Leviathans up and letting Shepard go instead of smushing him like a bug or keeping him enthralled for however long it takes a man to die inside a diving mech was interesting.  Point of fact, they seem shifty in the extreme, especially when it comes to their knowledge of the Crucible.  Knowing that this cycle is building the Crucible and that there is an anomaly (Shepard) present that could finally upend the system of cycles, the Leviathans may have let Shepard go on the off chance that he could actually stop the Reapers.  Or they may simply have needed all their concentration to take out the incoming Reaper attack force with their minds.

[Andromidius]

SwobyJ wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

TheProtheans is feigning interest, to encourage you to say things he then can make fun of.

Restrider wrote...

I guess EC is the problem here. Show people a few nice slides and IT is no more. Ignore other games, where BW has pulled off something similar (was it Neverwinter Nights?).

Or Jade Empire. It's got to be a huge spoiler (so consider yourself warned), but it's also pretty badass:

Oh my god Bioware, you rock.

Indeed.  That's one hell of an ending.  Even the kid knows something is wrong, until...whatever it is happens (is he just scared by the statue, or is he being mind controlled?  Never played Jade Empire).

"You don't need to know."

And that's so similar to the Stargazer scene I don't even know what to say.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...
I take it you didn't start as a mage?  It seemed the entire theme of the mage origin was about not trusting.  I love when you call out "mouse" on his deception and the character's head starts looking far above as it morphs into a colossal pride demon.

Dwarven Warrior.  Many asses were kicked, and many names were taken.  But not a single piece of arcane wisdom was to be gained.  I even roleplayed (as much as the game allows) as being ignorant of magical practices, acted very trusting of mages and even agreed to Morrigan's plan at the end even though I as a player knew it was a poor choice to make.

Plus its hilarious seeing a Dwarf getting it on with a woman twice his height.  Oh yeah.

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
I take it you didn't start as a mage?  It seemed the entire theme of the mage origin was about not trusting.  I love when you call out "mouse" on his deception and the character's head starts looking far above as it morphs into a colossal pride demon.

Dwarven Warrior.  Many asses were kicked, and many names were taken.  But not a single piece of arcane wisdom was to be gained.  I even roleplayed (as much as the game allows) as being ignorant of magical practices, acted very trusting of mages and even agreed to Morrigan's plan at the end even though I as a player knew it was a poor choice to make.

Plus its hilarious seeing a Dwarf getting it on with a woman twice his height.  Oh yeah.

Noble or Casteless?

[MWMike2011]

Anything new? I've been gone for MAYBE 24 hours and missed 50 pages...

[Andromidius]

SwobyJ wrote...

The Leviathans imo both accept and work to upsend the cycle.

They certainly never thought that the little organics can do it on their own, until Shepard came.

But at the same time, I don't think they're really ANY ally of Shepard.

I think they have their own game, and if a ME4 takes place in a post-IT and post-ReaperEnd galaxy, they have promise to be much more devious enemies - yet since they themselves got ended by the Reapers/Harbinger, I only expect them to play into the larger story, not be the focus of it.

I suspect the Leviathans actually want to seize control of the Reapers for themselves, to aid in reconquering the Galaxy.  They are certainly vein enough to think its possible, and that they can't possibly fail a second time.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
I take it you didn't start as a mage?  It seemed the entire theme of the mage origin was about not trusting.  I love when you call out "mouse" on his deception and the character's head starts looking far above as it morphs into a colossal pride demon.

Dwarven Warrior.  Many asses were kicked, and many names were taken.  But not a single piece of arcane wisdom was to be gained.  I even roleplayed (as much as the game allows) as being ignorant of magical practices, acted very trusting of mages and even agreed to Morrigan's plan at the end even though I as a player knew it was a poor choice to make.

Plus its hilarious seeing a Dwarf getting it on with a woman twice his height.  Oh yeah.

What's really hilarious is if you have Loghain along for the ride and make him do it instead.  For a battle hardened warrior, he's scamping back in something resembling terror as a half-naked Morrigan advances.

Not that I blame him or anything.  I'd rather wrap it in bacon and stick it in a pirahna tank than Morrigan.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Second playthrough of Omega:

Guys, there's a lot more to this than meets the eye at first glance.

The reactor scene is really foreshadowing the end:

Petrovsky: *appears as a hologram* I commend you. Your plan of attack was impeccable.
Shepard: Looks like we were expected.
Nyreen: More like "lured".
Petrovsky: I knew the reactor would be the hard target. I gave you no choice but this route.
Shepard: Why don't you do this in person, Petrovsky? Get your own hands dirty?

This first part seems to foreshadow the run to the beam. The beam was the obvious target. The Reapers lured us there, as it would be our only way onto the Citadel. We had no choice but to go through there. The last bit seems to foreshadow Harbinger not handling things directly, just sending a 'hologram' to deal with Shepard.

Petrovsky: I take no pleasure in any of this, Commander. You're the ones trying to start a war... for the glory of Aria. But now it's over.
Aria: This isn't over until your next of kin can't identify you.
Petrovsky: I love your bravado, but have the sense to know when you're beaten. You've been neutralized, and I can leave you there to rot. You might as well give up.

This part begins with a moment that is reminiscent of the catalyst denying there's a war going on. The rest seems to foreshadow Harbinger having taken out Shepard. He could just leave her/him to rot, but now he's convincing Shepard to give up, basically. At the same time, Aria saying that it isn't over until you're dead beyond identifivation (N7 dog tag!), seems to directly foreshadow things not being over with the breath scene. Shepard is still alive. This war isn't over.

Aria: Never! *starts to tear a hole in the Forcefield*
Shepard: Aria, what are you thinking?
Aria: I'm not going out like this!
Nyreen: Aria, don't!
Petrovsky: What the hell is she trying to do?
Aria: *continues to tear open the forcefield*
Petrovsky: Damn it, Aria, you're forcing my hand! We'll do it your way, then. *hologram disappears*
Shepard: *Dives through the hole and escapes*
Nyreen: Spirits, Aria! How did you know you could do that?
Aria: I didn't.

In this part, Aria really seems to foreshadow Shepard in the
destroy ending. She will not go down without a fight, and literally
starts to tear apart the fabric of what is imprisoning her. Just like
Shepard attacks the illusion when shooting the tube. Then the catalyst being frustrated that his trap didn't work, and acknowledging that he is going to have to face Shepard on Shepard's terms. Shepard made an escape without knowing the escape was possible.

I love these parallels.

There's just so much more to find than there seems to be at first glance.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...
Noble or Casteless?

Noble.  As if you had to ask, peasent.

Though the Castless are rather interesting as well.  I love the Dragon Age lore, and I'm tempted to get DA2 purely for the lore. 

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...
Noble or Casteless?

Noble.  As if you had to ask, peasent.

Though the Castless are rather interesting as well.  I love the Dragon Age lore, and I'm tempted to get DA2 purely for the lore. 

Casteless are my favorite origin, followed by dwarven noble and city elf.

And come on, I'm casteless. Calling me a peasant is an insult to peasants.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

What's really hilarious is if you have Loghain along for the ride and make him do it instead.  For a battle hardened warrior, he's scamping back in something resembling terror as a half-naked Morrigan advances.

Not that I blame him or anything.  I'd rather wrap it in bacon and stick it in a pirahna tank than Morrigan.

My character looked very...  Well.  He's only got one expression apperently.  Brother murdered?  Exiled from my city?  People destroyed?  Morrigan half naked?

Mildly amused smurk.  My Dwarf was an arse.

[Rifneno]

The dwarven ruling castes need to be... "cleansed." The **** they do to their own people makes what what the mages and elves go through look like fun.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

The dwarven ruling castes need to be... "cleansed." The **** they do to their own people makes what what the mages and elves go through look like fun.

So who do you support, Harrowmont or Bhelen?

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

The dwarven ruling castes need to be... "cleansed." The **** they do to their own people makes what what the mages and elves go through look like fun.

So who do you support, Harrowmont or Bhelen?

They're both garbage.

[Andromidius]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

There's just so much more to find than there seems to be at first glance.

100%

The very next scene also adds to this.  A hologram trying to talk you out of doing something, and telling you how many people will die if you do it.  All the while its in his power to save those people, and yet is forcing the blame onto Shepard.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

The dwarven ruling castes need to be... "cleansed." The **** they do to their own people makes what what the mages and elves go through look like fun.

So who do you support, Harrowmont or Bhelen?

They're both garbage.

I know that, but you had to support someone to beat the game.

I generally like Bhelen slightly better. If he didnt disband the assembly I'd say he's probably exactly what Orzammar needs at this time. A ruthless ruler who understands the value of the casteless.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

The dwarven ruling castes need to be... "cleansed." The **** they do to their own people makes what what the mages and elves go through look like fun.

So who do you support, Harrowmont or Bhelen?

They're both garbage.

I know that, but you had to support someone to beat the game.

I generally like Bhelen slightly better. If he didnt disband the assembly I'd say he's probably exactly what Orzammar needs at this time. A ruthless ruler who understands the value of the casteless.

Eh.  I usually just flip a coin.  If I had my way, I'd hand the crown to that brain damaged merchant that keeps talking about a sandwich.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

The dwarven ruling castes need to be... "cleansed." The **** they do to their own people makes what what the mages and elves go through look like fun.

So who do you support, Harrowmont or Bhelen?

They're both garbage.

Harrowmont is the lesser evil, so I picked him.  Would be strange supporting my brother after he betrayed me in any case.

That being said, if I had the chance I would have changed things.  My Dwarf was very much equal oppertunies in his attitude - not being an arse to common Dwarves, being friendly with Gorim, thinking the Castless should be allowed to return to the city, getting on with Elves and Humans, accepting parlay even to Darkspawn and Werewolves... 

The list of guilible attributes he had was staggering.  But he was a good guy.  Just thick as a plank.