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[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Sides with the elfs ( except on my first playtrhough I persuaded the lady of the forest to kill all the elfs and boom)

By side with the elves, do you mean you killed the werewolves, or you convinced Zathrian to lift the curse?

[Rifneno]

Re: Eden Prime datapads. I like it except for one thing. It's got more of this "we can beat the Reapers conventionally" foolishness. FFS, don't talk about nativity if you think conventional victory is impossible. The entire goddamn Migrant Fleet barely took down a single destroyer. The entire Arcturus fleet and the Citadel Defense Fleets combined couldn't take a single immobile capital ship that wasn't able to use its main cannon. Yeah, we're HUNDREDS OF THOSE AT ONCE conventionally. Are you high?!

[Rifneno]

I'm sure in the tens of thousands of cycles we've had, the civilizations have never tried just killing the Reapers. It's not like we know for a fact that the last cycle was far more technologically advanced, war-like, and united under a single banner. Yeah no, you're right, the Reapers couldn't stand a chance against our forces if we all believe in the power of love and ****.

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Sides with the elfs ( except on my first playtrhough I persuaded the lady of the forest to kill all the elfs and boom)

By side with the elves, do you mean you killed the werewolves, or you convinced Zathrian to lift the curse?

Sorry sided with the elves, and made Zathrian lift the cruse, except on one play through. I killed all the evles because my Human was just plan evil.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Rifneno wrote...

Re: Eden Prime datapads. I like it except for one thing. It's got more of this "we can beat the Reapers conventionally" foolishness. FFS, don't talk about nativity if you think conventional victory is impossible. The entire goddamn Migrant Fleet barely took down a single destroyer. The entire Arcturus fleet and the Citadel Defense Fleets combined couldn't take a single immobile capital ship that wasn't able to use its main cannon. Yeah, we're HUNDREDS OF THOSE AT ONCE conventionally. Are you high?!

I understand that sentiment, but just keep in mind: a conventional victory could be a whole lot of things. Perhaps there is some key weakness at the Reaper base in dark space, which is currently 'understaffed'. Just throwing something out there. It could be so many things, and it doesn't have to boil down to fighting them all one by one. Basically anything non-crucible is more conventional than what we have now.

Hell, it doesn'even have to mean a conventional victory. All the datapad seems to be saying is that there are fewer Reapers than we think (if the analogy is correct).

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:47 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

I'm off for now, guys. TTYL =)

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Re: Eden Prime datapads. I like it except for one thing. It's got more of this "we can beat the Reapers conventionally" foolishness. FFS, don't talk about nativity if you think conventional victory is impossible. The entire goddamn Migrant Fleet barely took down a single destroyer. The entire Arcturus fleet and the Citadel Defense Fleets combined couldn't take a single immobile capital ship that wasn't able to use its main cannon. Yeah, we're HUNDREDS OF THOSE AT ONCE conventionally. Are you high?!

Well, to be fair there's an explaination for both of those.

The Migrant Fleet was busy fighting the Geth at the time, and likely wasn't using their main guns on the Destroyer.  Otherwise...  Well, the entire area Shepard was standing in would have been pretty crispy.

The battle against Sovereign was a suprise assault, and again they were also fighting the Geth.  And the Alliance didn't have the upgrades it has in ME3.

Though I agree in general, the Reapers are vastly superior in nearly every way.  We'd need one heck of an edge to take the battle to them, or rely on pure attrition and hope we can keep building ships fast enough.  Conventionally, its just not happening - we need to remove the Reapers' advantages first.

Edit: About Sovereign - he was literally untoucable until his barriers came down.  Then he went down pretty damn quick.  Disturbing their barriers is probably the only way to beat them, and even that its going to be costly.

Modifié par Andromidius, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:51 .

[masster blaster]

Badger I think we have a one shot at beating the Reapers on a head to head fight, but only for a bit. Hence why I think the " Take Back Earth trailer" is epic because it's showing that Shepard wakes up, and get's all fixed up. Sees a toy Alliance fighter like the brat did in the beginning of the game, and boy Shepard looks pissed when he/she looks at the husk.

Also we see the sword fleet ( well to me) along with the Normandy on Earth. I know it's just a trailer, but I wonder since Bioware did show some of the trailers they made when Shepard, Anderson, and the comitty are looking at the news.

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Re: Eden Prime datapads. I like it except for one thing. It's got more of this "we can beat the Reapers conventionally" foolishness. FFS, don't talk about nativity if you think conventional victory is impossible. The entire goddamn Migrant Fleet barely took down a single destroyer. The entire Arcturus fleet and the Citadel Defense Fleets combined couldn't take a single immobile capital ship that wasn't able to use its main cannon. Yeah, we're HUNDREDS OF THOSE AT ONCE conventionally. Are you high?!

Well, to be fair there's an explaination for both of those.

The Migrant Fleet was busy fighting the Geth at the time, and likely wasn't using their main guns on the Destroyer.  Otherwise...  Well, the entire area Shepard was standing in would have been pretty crispy.

The battle against Sovereign was a suprise assault, and again they were also fighting the Geth.  And the Alliance didn't have the upgrades it has in ME3.

Though I agree in general, the Reapers are vastly superior in nearly every way.  We'd need one heck of an edge to take the battle to them, or rely on pure attrition and hope we can keep building ships fast enough.  Conventionally, its just not happening - we need to remove the Reapers' advantages first.

We have literally tens of thousands of ships.  Plus fighters with thanix cannons. Also, we automatically win the building ships fast enough competition. Reapers build 1 per cycle.

[Andromidius]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
We have literally tens of thousands of ships.  Plus fighters with thanix cannons. Also, we automatically win the building ships fast enough competition. Reapers build 1 per cycle.

Main concern is crew.  Unless we get the Geth to crew all those ships, we're going to be running low on trained personal very quickly.

Or work out how to train a Krogan to pilot.

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
We have literally tens of thousands of ships.  Plus fighters with thanix cannons. Also, we automatically win the building ships fast enough competition. Reapers build 1 per cycle.

Main concern is crew.  Unless we get the Geth to crew all those ships, we're going to be running low on trained personal very quickly.

Or work out how to train a Krogan to pilot.

Hey, there's a Vorcha fighter squadron.

[byne]

Banshee, the **** is going on in that other thread you're in?

[Arashi08]

I wonder if we will get to play classes in ME4 like the ones in MP? like being able to biotic teleport to dodge or be the nimble shadow with a sword?

I think it would be AMAZING to have a sword in ME4 SP...for some reason.

[Andromidius]

Arashi08 wrote...

I wonder if we will get to play classes in ME4 like the ones in MP? like being able to biotic teleport to dodge or be the nimble shadow with a sword?

I think it would be AMAZING to have a sword in ME4 SP...for some reason.

I want the option to fire pistols and SMG's with one hand, gunfighter style.  Or dual wield.  And a bit more freedom with weapon choices, and more equipment selection, and...

Yeah, I'm greedy.  But I love having more choice.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Banshee, the **** is going on in that other thread you're in?

Lol. You stalking me? It's okay. I was talking with Jade about eating Shepard's pie for dinner (I did) and that spawned that thread.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Banshee, the **** is going on in that other thread you're in?

Lol. You stalking me? It's okay. I was talking with Jade about eating Shepard's pie for dinner (I did) and that spawned that thread.

I stalk everyone, Banshee.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Banshee, the **** is going on in that other thread you're in?

Lol. You stalking me? It's okay. I was talking with Jade about eating Shepard's pie for dinner (I did) and that spawned that thread.

I stalk everyone, Banshee.

We have something (else) in common! I like to keep tabs on my crew.

Edit: Thought I was in the other thread for a sec. It would have been really funny if you posted it there.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 décembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[BansheeOwnage]

SwobyJ wrote...

I hate that people grossly overestimate the Reapers' conventional power.

It's VERY high power, still, yes. A Reaper is stronger than any other ship out there.

But they're not that powerful. We know that 3-4 of the galaxy's strongest ships (naughts) will destroy one Reaper with concentrated fire. Not several or a dozen, but 3-4.

So bring in:
-Asari fleet
-Turian fleet
-Salarian fleet
-Geth fleet and full force
-Quarian fleet and full force

And we....'re not confirmed to win, still. Totally. The Reapers are so freakin powerful. They could totally blow us apart.

But we, totally combined, stand on about *even* ground, and I believe that we stand at an even chance of victory, like I think the War Asset screen states.

And that's what the story tempts us with: "Do you really want to take that chance? 50/50? Are you sure? Or would you instead use the Crucible? The plans are right there.... the galaxy is uniting for it... use ittt....."

Yeah, I think it's a stalemate with high EMS.

[Andromidius]

SwobyJ wrote...
And that's what the story tempts us with: "Do you really want to take that chance? 50/50? Are you sure? Or would you instead use the Crucible? The plans are right there.... the galaxy is uniting for it... use ittt....."

I'd go with 10/90.  Long odds, but not awful.  But all or nothing with the entire Galaxy is pretty horrible.

If Cerberus wasn't an enemy, the Batarians weren't isolationists, the Krogan were already united and friendly, the Geth/Quarian war was ended already...  Then I'd say 50/50.  We'd have a proper fight on our hands.

But the Reapers are excellent at distraction, resource wasting and perverting allies to their cause.

[BansheeOwnage]

SwobyJ wrote...

Citadel and Rannoch fights are bad examples.

Citadel: If the geth fleet wasn't there, Sovereign would have been blown apart right away. If Saren wasn't there on his own operation, the geth would have been still defeated and Sovereign would have been blown apart.

It's actually the perfect example to show that:
1)The Reapers require a proxy army to keep them secure
2)The Reapers require agents in order to get the real work done (hmmm...)

Rannoch: If the geth... well, all of them were not there, then the Reaper would have not needed Shepard to use a targeting laser on it. It just would have died to the Quarians.

Again, proxy army.

Earth is not a case of proxy army.

The Reapers lost the Krogan way back in ME1, thanks to Shepard. They (if we assume TIM is working with them in this) tried to stop the return of the krogan, and failed.

The Reapers lost the Geth finally on Rannoch.

The Reapers lost the Rachni, even if they retained their soldiers.

The Reapers lost Cerberus, scattered after you attack their base.

No more proxys. IMO the Crucible ending is as dire a situation for the Reapers as it is for the organic/synthetic (if you manage peace) alliance. Even the loss of ONE Reaper is HUGE.

Well said.

[Andromidius]

SwobyJ wrote...

No more proxys. IMO the Crucible ending is as dire a situation for the Reapers as it is for the organic/synthetic (if you manage peace) alliance. Even the loss of ONE Reaper is HUGE.

Even their 'own' troops are proxies, in a way.  All perverted forms of current Cycle races.

The closest thing they have to their own troops are the Destroyers - which seem far more numerous.  What do we reckon they are made from?  Lesser harvested species (note that Harbinger seemed to think all the other races of this Cycle were completely unsuitable - so not even good for Destroyers? ) or leftover remains of the races harvested into Dreadnoughts?