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[DoomsdayDevice]

Not sure where 'Choose Wisely' is going...

One of their conclusions is that Reapers do not have the kind of control over organics that Leviathans do, but Leviathan explains that the Reapers have perfected the power.

The bit about the QEC was kind of interesting, Demersel is going to have a field day with that.

As for whoever wondered how the AI was going to harvest the Leviathans without the Reapers to begin with: Leviathan explains he used minions for that. Probably the synthetics the organics had created.

My theory is still that the enthralled races built machines to rebel against the Leviathans (because Leviathans can only control organics), and that the AI was built to control synthetics, and then harvested the Leviathans in order to harness their genetic ability to control organics, so the AI could control both.

[acidic-ph0]

demersel wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

demersel wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

ah, so when all else fails, bring out the ad hominems and strawmen.  classic ITist behavior.

you are mistaken, but that is understandable, since you are an idiot.  Not when all else fails. It's just in your case i prefer to open with personal insults. 

You're pathetic. Reported.

Crybaby. It is okey for you to insult other people, but when someone call you out, Oh know! NO-NO, Taboo. Go report yoursefl. And while you're at it get yourself commited. 

I think you're both stupid =D

[demersel]

Stop feeding that pathetic troll. Just ignore him.

[The Heretic of Time]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I didn't deny the explosions. I merely stated the fact that in the EC the Citadel no longer completely explodes.

The explosion is the same, the only major difference is one of the arms doesn't fall off.

Indeed. Which I adressed in an edit of my previous post.

However, one of the EC slides clearly shows us that the core of the Citadel is completely unharmed! That makes the idea that Shepard survived all that a whole lot more believable.

[demersel]

acidic-ph0 wrote...

I think you're both stupid =D

That we are.  But there is some crucial context, that needs to be taken ionto consideration. 

Modifié par demersel, 04 décembre 2012 - 04:33 .

[acidic-ph0]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Successful troll appears to have become successful. Why exactly does Hanar's handwaving of the entire game matter, anyway? It's just an opinion. It's a wrong opinion, but that doesn't mean Hanar isn't entitled to it...

I will say that, although Hanar can come off as abrasive and rude at times, he does make some good points. Bioware hasn't been extremely consitent with their lore and story over the course of 3 games... Then again, neither have major series like Star Trek. 

So long as I can still suspend my disbelief I will always enjoy a game/movie/book...whatever. For ME3 the indoctrination theory is probably the only thing that allows me to keep suspending that disbelief. However, I'm not going to say that Bioware are genius writers... far from it actually... they've done some stuff in ME3 that really made me cringe, but nothing that ruined the overall universe...

That is until the ending.

[Eryri]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I didn't deny the explosions. I merely stated the fact that in the EC the Citadel no longer completely explodes.

The explosion is the same, the only major difference is one of the arms doesn't fall off.

Indeed. Which I adressed in an edit of my previous post.

However, one of the EC slides clearly shows us that the core of the Citadel is completely unharmed! That makes the idea that Shepard survived all that a whole lot more believable.

The Citadel is quantum shielded. It's so durable that even Sovereign was unable to break into it without Saren as his inside man. Yet the explosion still blows chunks out of its superstructure.

Shepard, awesome though he or she is, is rather less resilient.

Modifié par Eryri, 04 décembre 2012 - 04:37 .

[acidic-ph0]

demersel wrote...

acidic-ph0 wrote...

I think you're both stupid =D

That we are.  But there is some crucial context, that needs to be taken ionto consideration. 

XD, glad to see you took that with a sense of humor 

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Whoever made this did a good job at showing how little sense a lot of things in ME3 make. You either need a lot of handwaving, jumping through loops and grasping at straws to make sense of it, or you can just simply admit that BioWare doesn't care about consistency in their lore and story.

We all know your opinion on the matter. Repeating it only annoys people.

Just look at that video that your IT friend made and tell me that it's just an opinion. At this point you can no longer say that it's an opinion; Mass Effect is an inconsistent mess and that's a FACT. The video of your IT friend clearly shows this. He doesn't even provide an IT handwave explanation at the end of the video. All the video does is showing what a big mess the lore of Mass Effect has become. 

Nope. Still opinion. I'm beginning to remember why I used to hate you 

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Not sure where 'Choose Wisely' is going...

One of their conclusions is that Reapers do not have the kind of control over organics that Leviathans do, but Leviathan explains that the Reapers have perfected the power.

The bit about the QEC was kind of interesting, Demersel is going to have a field day with that.

As for whoever wondered how the AI was going to harvest the Leviathans without the Reapers to begin with: Leviathan explains he used minions for that. Probably the synthetics the organics had created.

My theory is still that the enthralled races built machines to rebel against the Leviathans (because Leviathans can only control organics), and that the AI was built to control synthetics, and then harvested the Leviathans in order to harness their genetic ability to control organics, so the AI could control both.

I can tell you where they are going with it. (at least were initially). But i think they failed to grasp the bug picture, going for the obvious red herring. I think the truth is something else entiely. But they seem to be 100% sure, and do not wish to engage in any discassion, so all we can do is wait for them to present their point of view fully. 

And i'm not really that excited about the whole QEC thing they covered - theri so much more to it - they only covered the basics.  At least now everybody can see that QEC is WAAY off in ME3. 

[RavenEyry]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
However, one of the EC slides clearly shows us that the core of the Citadel is completely unharmed! That makes the idea that Shepard survived all that a whole lot more believable.

Shepard wasn't in the citadel, they were on it. House with fireproof paint wouldn't protect someone standing on the roof from a fire.

[The Heretic of Time]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
However, one of the EC slides clearly shows us that the core of the Citadel is completely unharmed! That makes the idea that Shepard survived all that a whole lot more believable.

Shepard wasn't in the citadel, they were on it. House with fireproof paint wouldn't protect someone standing on the roof from a fire.

But Shepard was standing on the other side of the Citadel than where the explosion happens. So the Citadel did somewhat shield Shepard from the explosion. It's still stretch and it honestly requires quite a bit of suspense of disbelief,I fully admit that, but it's not completely impossible.

[CoolioThane]

****ing hell it's a troll siege. Hilariously you can't debunk the theory...it being as valid an interpretation as the "literal" take on the game.

IT makes the most sense in our opinion, that is why we believe in it. Just because you don't doesn't mean you have to come on to the thread SPECIFICALLY MADE for the IT and start arguing. As Chris said, stay away

[umadcommander]

CoolioThane wrote...

****ing hell it's a troll siege. Hilariously you can't debunk the theory...it being as valid an interpretation as the "literal" take on the game.

IT makes the most sense in our opinion, that is why we believe in it. Just because you don't doesn't mean you have to come on to the thread SPECIFICALLY MADE for the IT and start arguing. As Chris said, stay away

for the record my picture was not trolling, just indoctrination from eden prime is crackers

[demersel]

umadcommander wrote...

for the record my picture was not trolling, just indoctrination from eden prime is crackers

Don't sweat it. I thought it was funny. And it still can be true. 

[CoolioThane]

umadcommander wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

****ing hell it's a troll siege. Hilariously you can't debunk the theory...it being as valid an interpretation as the "literal" take on the game.

IT makes the most sense in our opinion, that is why we believe in it. Just because you don't doesn't mean you have to come on to the thread SPECIFICALLY MADE for the IT and start arguing. As Chris said, stay away

for the record my picture was not trolling, just indoctrination from eden prime is crackers

Oh I know, that was just funny. 

[RavenEyry]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
But Shepard was standing on the other side of the Citadel than where the explosion happens. So the Citadel did somewhat shield Shepard from the explosion. It's still stretch and it honestly requires quite a bit of suspense of disbelief,I fully admit that, but it's not completely impossible.

The large explosion looks a lot like it comes from the crucible, which is a hundred metres above Shepard at most.

[RavenEyry]

umadcommander wrote...

for the record my picture was not trolling, just indoctrination from eden prime is crackers

Ah no that was hilarious. Any full blown hallucination would start from Cronus station at the absolute very earliest.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Not sure where 'Choose Wisely' is going...

One of their conclusions is that Reapers do not have the kind of control over organics that Leviathans do, but Leviathan explains that the Reapers have perfected the power.

The bit about the QEC was kind of interesting, Demersel is going to have a field day with that.

As for whoever wondered how the AI was going to harvest the Leviathans without the Reapers to begin with: Leviathan explains he used minions for that. Probably the synthetics the organics had created.

My theory is still that the enthralled races built machines to rebel against the Leviathans (because Leviathans can only control organics), and that the AI was built to control synthetics, and then harvested the Leviathans in order to harness their genetic ability to control organics, so the AI could control both.

Yeah the bit about saying Leviathan enthrallment beat Reaper Indoctrination bugged me. Sure the Reaper Indoctrination is not as fast, but the undercover agent created is perfect. Enthrallment on the other hand...yeah people acted quite odd, at least when a Leviathan was not in direct control.

As for QEC the main problem still is that we usualy dont know what conversations is QEC and what is not. Blue holograms are not exactly exclusive to the QEC.

[The Heretic of Time]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
But Shepard was standing on the other side of the Citadel than where the explosion happens. So the Citadel did somewhat shield Shepard from the explosion. It's still stretch and it honestly requires quite a bit of suspense of disbelief,I fully admit that, but it's not completely impossible.

The large explosion looks a lot like it comes from the crucible, which is a hundred metres above Shepard at most.

I don't know. I thought it comes from the top of the Citadel tower, which was used as some sort of gun to send out the beam. Shepard is on the bottom of the Citadel tower, on the other side.

It's kind of hard to see where the explosion exactly takes place, but if we look at the EC slideshows, we do see a lot of holes in the wards. That gives me the impression the explosion happened within the wards, at the tip of the Citadel tower. 

[CoolioThane]

Breath scene takes place on Earth in my opinion.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
But Shepard was standing on the other side of the Citadel than where the explosion happens. So the Citadel did somewhat shield Shepard from the explosion. It's still stretch and it honestly requires quite a bit of suspense of disbelief,I fully admit that, but it's not completely impossible.

The large explosion looks a lot like it comes from the crucible, which is a hundred metres above Shepard at most.

The closest survivor to the Hiroshima nuke was within 300 meters of ground zero. She worked at bank and it was the bank box which shielded her from the blast.

Problem is 300 meters still put her way outside the actual fireball of the explosion (which dident even touch the ground) but the fireball on the Citadel is clearly engulfing the place Shepard is.

[Eryri]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

As for QEC the main problem still is that we usualy dont know what conversations is QEC and what is not. Blue holograms are not exactly exclusive to the QEC.

What was the explanation for the holographic conversations Shepard had with the Council in ME1? They had to be using some sort of FTL communicator there.

[The Heretic of Time]

But honestly, the IT doesn't explain the biggest problem I have with the ME3 story:

The whole "the reapers conquer the Citadel and take it to Earth, but forgot to shut down the Mass Relays" problem.

It would make sense to take the Citadel to planet earth to harvest humanity and build a reaper. The Citadel was clearly being used the same way the Collector Base was being used. But why the f*ck are the reapers so F*CKING STUPID that they didn't shut down the Mass Relays after dragging the Citadel to planet Earth? They were smart enough to do that in the previous cycles and it always assured victory for the reapers. Why are they so godforsaken stupid now?

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 04 décembre 2012 - 04:54 .

[Restrider]

The mirrored scar of Hackett after leaving Earth is nothing special since the entire image is mirrored!
Compare Hackett's uniform with this footage here!