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[archangel1996]

I don't think the protheans had the Mass Relays problem, after all they fought for, at least, 100 years

Modifié par archangel1996, 04 décembre 2012 - 04:55 .

[paxxton]

I've finished watching CW3. Well done and packed with info. But still not much is said about those orbs they seem to be putting everywhere in the videos. I wasn't aware that there was one in ME1 too. I would've checked it out myself but I'm already moved along with my Renegade playthrough to ME2.

IMO the most interesting part is when they compare QECs in ME2 and ME3. The differences and violations of established tech principles they point out are startling.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:03 .

[RavenEyry]

Restrider wrote...

The mirrored scar of Hackett after leaving Earth is nothing special since the entire image is mirrored!
Compare Hackett's uniform with this footage here!

I always thought it was just a quirk of the transmission method too, though it doesn't explain why he used that method instead of thing-that's-probably-a-QEC. Maybe he was in too much of a hurry to pose dramatically as a hologram.

[The Heretic of Time]

archangel1996 wrote...

I don't think the protheans had the Mass Relays problem, after all they fought for, at least, 100 years

It was clearly stated by Vigil in ME1 that the reapers use the Citadel to warp in. Then they shut down the Mass Relay Network and use all the information on the current cycle in the Citadel databases to slowly conquer and defeat (or harvest) every single one of them. The protheans had no means of communication and every system was isolated. This is clearly said by Vigil and I believe Javik confirms this.


So why are the reapers so f*cking stupid now? Why do they forget to shut down the Mass Relay Network now?

[RavenEyry]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
So why are the reapers so f*cking stupid now? Why do they forget to shut down the Mass Relay Network now?

So everything the galaxy has to offer in counter attack comes to the place they've got the largest numbers to be slaughtered?

[archangel1996]

I think the answer is the same to: Why in the blue hell did not Harbinegr vaporize Shepard?
Mens sana in corpore sano? But again, Shep is actually no one for the galaxy, he/she can't do nothing, right?
But for your question, the Reapers are all there, they can destroy once for all the fleets

Modifié par archangel1996, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:02 .

[Eryri]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

I don't think the protheans had the Mass Relays problem, after all they fought for, at least, 100 years

It was clearly stated by Vigil in ME1 that the reapers use the Citadel to warp in. Then they shut down the Mass Relay Network and use all the information on the current cycle in the Citadel databases to slowly conquer and defeat (or harvest) every single one of them. The protheans had no means of communication and every system was isolated. This is clearly said by Vigil and I believe Javik confirms this.


So why are the reapers so f*cking stupid now? Why do they forget to shut down the Mass Relay Network now?

Just my personal opinion - they wanted to lure the entire fleet to Earth to obliterate them in one fell swoop. Then they could shut down the relays later to make it easier to mop up any isolated stragglers.

Modifié par Eryri, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:03 .

[TheProtheans]

CoolioThane wrote...

****ing hell it's a troll siege. Hilariously you can't debunk the theory...it being as valid an interpretation as the "literal" take on the game.

IT makes the most sense in our opinion, that is why we believe in it. Just because you don't doesn't mean you have to come on to the thread SPECIFICALLY MADE for the IT and start arguing. As Chris said, stay away

How can something that will never be revealed or answered be more likely what happened than what we already got.

[archangel1996]

TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

****ing hell it's a troll siege. Hilariously you can't debunk the theory...it being as valid an interpretation as the "literal" take on the game.

IT makes the most sense in our opinion, that is why we believe in it. Just because you don't doesn't mean you have to come on to the thread SPECIFICALLY MADE for the IT and start arguing. As Chris said, stay away

How can something that will never be revealed or answered be more likely what happened than what we already got.

he/she is still here? so we do have a bar! WHERE IN THE BLUE HELL IS IT?!

[The Heretic of Time]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
So why are the reapers so f*cking stupid now? Why do they forget to shut down the Mass Relay Network now?

So everything the galaxy has to offer in counter attack comes to the place they've got the largest numbers to be slaughtered?

Doesn't make much sense and it seems completely opposite of their previous tactic. The reapers use the divide and conquer tactics. They always did so and they even do so now in our cycle. I've never heard anyone denying that. Yet the fact that they don't shut down the relay network doesn't add up. The reapers always shut down the mass relay network so the galaxy DOESN'T unite and use one single big-ass fleet to conquer sector by sector, guirillia warfare style.

[archangel1996]

just completed the Grunt mission, Rana Thanoptis, 3 years to be indoctrinated
TIM, i think like 20 years to be

Modifié par archangel1996, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:08 .

[RavenEyry]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Doesn't make much sense and it seems completely opposite of their previous tactic. The reapers use the divide and conquer tactics. They always did so and they even do so now in our cycle. I've never heard anyone denying that. Yet the fact that they don't shut down the relay network doesn't add up. The reapers always shut down the mass relay network so the galaxy DOESN'T unite and use one single big-ass fleet to conquer sector by sector, guirillia warfare style.

It appears most of the fleet was together before they took the citadel, so they'd have to combat it sooner or later. Divide and conquer what's left after the biggest threat is dealt with swiftly

EDIT: They usually shut it down immediately because they've usually wiped out the government on the citadel in a surprise attack. Most of the protheans power to resist was destroyed before they knew they were under attack, far too late for that this time.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:07 .

[DextroDNA]

I was just thinking, maybe if ME3 wont the GOTY at the Spike VGA - they might give us the DLC we want as a thank you. They might make an Indoctrination DLC to say thanks for getting them the GOTY.

Highly unlikely, but I'm hopeful. That's why I voted ME3 as GOTY.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

But honestly, the IT doesn't explain the biggest problem I have with the ME3 story:

The whole "the reapers conquer the Citadel and take it to Earth, but forgot to shut down the Mass Relays" problem.

It would make sense to take the Citadel to planet earth to harvest humanity and build a reaper. The Citadel was clearly being used the same way the Collector Base was being used. But why the f*ck are the reapers so F*CKING STUPID that they didn't shut down the Mass Relays after dragging the Citadel to planet Earth? They were smart enough to do that in the previous cycles and it always assured victory for the reapers. Why are they so godforsaken stupid now?

Maybe they dont have full control of the Citadel?

Following "Saren's" attempt at taking the Citadel the main console was found, possibly even damaged after Sovereign's leg crashed into the Citadel tower. Possibly it damaged the system or the Council had it changed in such a way that the Reapers can no longer access the Citadel from the outside (as in from the Citadel tower), but need someone to access the controls from within.

Then suddenly you can also have an explanation as how the hell the Citadel Defense Force is factoring into all this. They are preventing the Reaper forces from reaching the main system controls.

Just a possible explanation.

[RavenEyry]

RussianZombeh wrote...

I was just thinking, maybe if ME3 wont the GOTY at the Spike VGA - they might give us the DLC we want as a thank you. They might make an Indoctrination DLC to say thanks for getting them the GOTY.

Highly unlikely, but I'm hopeful. That's why I voted ME3 as GOTY.

They aren't going to withold DLC if they don't win an award they don't deserve. Winning awards now will just give them more things to hide behind, like those perfect reviews.

[DextroDNA]

RavenEyry wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

I was just thinking, maybe if ME3 wont the GOTY at the Spike VGA - they might give us the DLC we want as a thank you. They might make an Indoctrination DLC to say thanks for getting them the GOTY.

Highly unlikely, but I'm hopeful. That's why I voted ME3 as GOTY.

They aren't going to withold DLC if they don't win an award they don't deserve. Winning awards now will just give them more things to hide behind, like those perfect reviews.

"Highly unlikely, but I'm hopeful."

[RavenEyry]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Then suddenly you can also have an explanation as how the hell the Citadel Defense Force is factoring into all this. They are preventing the Reaper forces from reaching the main system controls.

Just a possible explanation.

That makes sense too, since the devs on twitter said a couple of times they weren't killing all the citadel characters off screen and it was only under reaper control for a short time. How they moved it is still anyones guess though.

[TheProtheans]

BatmanTurian wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Yep. Cop-out. Just as I predicted. Shepard surviving High EMS Destroy always rips a hole in Literal Theory.

Is it really a cop-out.
It is just something that shouldn't really happen, but it does.

Yes, it is a cop-out because nothing organic or synthetic could survive being at ground zero of that explosion. In fact, I don't think you even thought through your answer at all.

If nothing could survive what actually happened there.
If you think nothing could survive then do you think Shepard dreamt up the whole thing somewhere before actually going down to charge the beam.

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?

[The Heretic of Time]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Doesn't make much sense and it seems completely opposite of their previous tactic. The reapers use the divide and conquer tactics. They always did so and they even do so now in our cycle. I've never heard anyone denying that. Yet the fact that they don't shut down the relay network doesn't add up. The reapers always shut down the mass relay network so the galaxy DOESN'T unite and use one single big-ass fleet to conquer sector by sector, guirillia warfare style.

It appears most of the fleet was together before they took the citadel, so they'd have to combat it sooner or later. Divide and conquer what's left after the biggest threat is dealt with swiftly

EDIT: They usually shut it down immediately because they've usually wiped out the government on the citadel in a surprise attack. Most of the protheans power to resist was destroyed before they knew they were under attack, far too late for that this time.

Except the reapers didn't even know the fleet was already united. They seem quite surprised when the combined fleet arrives at Earth. I mean they didn't seem exactly ready to greet us with a warm welcome. All of them were fully focussed on Earth and then only when our fleet comes in and starts shooting the Reapers turn around and start shooting at us.

But honestly, not shutting down the relay network doesn't make sense for so many reasons. Communication is also one of them. We communicate through the Mass Relays (except for our QECs). So even that alone should be reason enough for the reapers to shut down the relay network ASAP, as soon as they arrive. If they did that, Shepards entire plan would completely fall into the water. Except the reapers decide to be stupid dumbasses and completely focus on Earth right away, instead of conquering the Citadel first.

[RavenEyry]

RussianZombeh wrote...
"Highly unlikely, but I'm hopeful."

But they don't deserve to be rewarded for the game that caused so much outrage BBC news reported on it on the off chance it might be improved as a thank you.

A pity I haven't played any of the other nominees or I'd vote against it.

[TheProtheans]

archangel1996 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

****ing hell it's a troll siege. Hilariously you can't debunk the theory...it being as valid an interpretation as the "literal" take on the game.

IT makes the most sense in our opinion, that is why we believe in it. Just because you don't doesn't mean you have to come on to the thread SPECIFICALLY MADE for the IT and start arguing. As Chris said, stay away

How can something that will never be revealed or answered be more likely what happened than what we already got.

he/she is still here? so we do have a bar! WHERE IN THE BLUE HELL IS IT?!

So you can't debate and instead speak of irrelevant stuff.
Typically ITers.

[Restrider]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I didn't deny the explosions. I merely stated the fact that in the EC the Citadel no longer completely explodes.

The explosion is the same, the only major difference is one of the arms doesn't fall off.

It still does, afaik.
The top, the top-left and maybe the top-right Wards show significant movement (and the top looks dispatched from the Presidium Ring).

[RavenEyry]

TheProtheans wrote...

If nothing could survive what actually happened there.
If you think nothing could survive then do you think Shepard dreamt up the whole thing somewhere before actually going down to charge the beam.

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?

Shep was hurt by the thing that knocked them unconscious causing them to have the dream in the first place. We've never said the hallucination is happening while Shep is tucked up in bed.

[The Heretic of Time]

Restrider wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I didn't deny the explosions. I merely stated the fact that in the EC the Citadel no longer completely explodes.

The explosion is the same, the only major difference is one of the arms doesn't fall off.

It still does, afaik.
The top, the top-left and maybe the top-right Wards show significant movement (and the top looks dispatched from the Presidium Ring).

Except it doesn't, as we can see in the EC slideshow. It shows the Citadel largely in tact, with all arms still attached to it.

[umadcommander]

TheProtheans wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

****ing hell it's a troll siege. Hilariously you can't debunk the theory...it being as valid an interpretation as the "literal" take on the game.

IT makes the most sense in our opinion, that is why we believe in it. Just because you don't doesn't mean you have to come on to the thread SPECIFICALLY MADE for the IT and start arguing. As Chris said, stay away

How can something that will never be revealed or answered be more likely what happened than what we already got.

he/she is still here? so we do have a bar! WHERE IN THE BLUE HELL IS IT?!

So you can't debate and instead speak of irrelevant stuff.
Typically ITers.

unlike heretic hanar you dont actually debate anything just throw random insults, i dont understand why you even post here