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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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TheProtheans wrote...
Typically ITers.

Hooray for strawmen!

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RavenEyry wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...
"Highly unlikely, but I'm hopeful."

But they don't deserve to be rewarded for the game that caused so much outrage BBC news reported on it on the off chance it might be improved as a thank you.

A pity I haven't played any of the other nominees or I'd vote against it.

It was the ENDING that caused outrage.

I sure as hell think they should be rewarded for the rest of the game. Sure, it had its faults - but I think it was pretty epic and had lots of great moments. It's better than the other ****e up for GOTY, anyway (imo).

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TheProtheans wrote...

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Yep. Cop-out. Just as I predicted. Shepard surviving High EMS Destroy always rips a hole in Literal Theory.

Is it really a cop-out.
It is just something that shouldn't really happen, but it does.

Yes, it is a cop-out because nothing organic or synthetic could survive being at ground zero of that explosion. In fact, I don't think you even thought through your answer at all.


If nothing could survive what actually happened there.
If you think nothing could survive then do you think Shepard dreamt up the whole thing somewhere before actually going down to charge the beam.

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?


After a blast from Harbi shouldn't you be hurt? Maybe a little?

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 It's better than the other ****e up for GOTY, anyway (imo).

I've not played them so can't say. If you genuinely think it's the best game nominated then it's not a problem. It was the idea of voting as a bribe for DLC that annoyed me.

EDIT: It HAS been a pretty bad year in gaming in my opinion. I can't really think of anything I'd call game of the year.

EDIT 2: And ME3 isn't even nominated for best original score. THAT I would've voted for.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:24 .


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Hanar reasons why. If they shut down the relays, the whole galaxy still has FTL right. If they take the citadle and shut down the relays, then the fleets would still have FTL. Yes it will take some time, but they can still go about the galaxy, but at a slower time. Also the whole point of taking the Citadle, and shuting down the mass relays, was to take out the leaders on the Citadle, take all the information on the fleets, weapons, bases, and plants that were in the computer systems in the Citadle.

And speaking of leaders, doesn't Shepard not bring the galaxy's best of the best to the fight/ the leaders of each race.

The Turian leader Victous
Wrex, or His brother
Major Kiarrha STG leader
Geth primes/ leaders of the Geth
The Quarian Admirals/ Tali
Anderson, Hackett, Shepard Humanity's leaders/ the best.
Garrus leader of the Turian spec ops
Grunt Leader of Arlack company
Liara Shadow broker
Ect.

So much leaders in one area. Imagin if the Reapers isolated them in one spot. Oh wait they did.

Think about it. Citadle is safe, but the Cerberus trys to take it why? Then TIM tells the Reapers that the Citadle is the Catalyst, and they take it to Earth, but not shut down the relays, but why?

In a sense, if you believe the crucible is a dud, and the Citadle, like we found out in ME1, is a trap, then all of this was part of the Reapers plan.

Shepard's chocies no, but gathering the fleets/ leaders in one spot. Man Indoctrinatin the leaders would be a major blow to the galaxy. If the Reapers kill them, then the other races would pick a new leader, but if an Indoctrinated Leader comes back to take control of his/her forces....

Modifié par masster blaster, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:22 .


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RussianZombeh wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...
"Highly unlikely, but I'm hopeful."

But they don't deserve to be rewarded for the game that caused so much outrage BBC news reported on it on the off chance it might be improved as a thank you.

A pity I haven't played any of the other nominees or I'd vote against it.

It was the ENDING that caused outrage.

I sure as hell think they should be rewarded for the rest of the game. Sure, it had its faults - but I think it was pretty epic and had lots of great moments. It's better than the other ****e up for GOTY, anyway (imo).

It should be rewarded with a GOTY even if only because we are still here talking about it after 9 months since the release. That's a pretty big feat for a game to accomplish.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:22 .


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archangel1996 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Yep. Cop-out. Just as I predicted. Shepard surviving High EMS Destroy always rips a hole in Literal Theory.

Is it really a cop-out.
It is just something that shouldn't really happen, but it does.

Yes, it is a cop-out because nothing organic or synthetic could survive being at ground zero of that explosion. In fact, I don't think you even thought through your answer at all.


If nothing could survive what actually happened there.
If you think nothing could survive then do you think Shepard dreamt up the whole thing somewhere before actually going down to charge the beam.

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?


After a blast from Harbi shouldn't you be hurt? Maybe a little?


Perhaps you should tell that to BatmanTurian.

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RavenEyry wrote...

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If nothing could survive what actually happened there.
If you think nothing could survive then do you think Shepard dreamt up the whole thing somewhere before actually going down to charge the beam.

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?

Shep was hurt by the thing that knocked them unconscious causing them to have the dream in the first place. We've never said the hallucination is happening while Shep is tucked up in bed.


What thing?

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Choose Wisely - Episode 3 (Digging The Wrong Way)


Hey all! Hope everyone is in good spirits and enjoyed playing through Omega, looking for clues! :)

Two months in the making, Episode 3 is finally done and uploaded. Turbo and I took a lot of time to make sure everything was pieced together and presented exactly the way we wanted. As always, we only ask the questions. No where will we tell you what to believe. The choices are yours. Choose them well!

To any planning on watching, I hope you will enjoy watching it as much as I enjoyed making it!

Wow. Amazing job, guys! I didn't think you could surpass the other two. I love the 4th wall-breaking Shep and Liara. Keep digging and fiming. This is some great stuff.

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TheProtheans wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?


After a blast from Harbi shouldn't you be hurt? Maybe a little?


Perhaps you should tell that to BatmanTurian.


:blink:...you are kidding me...... right?

Modifié par archangel1996, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:27 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...
 It's better than the other ****e up for GOTY, anyway (imo).


EDIT 2: And ME3 isn't even nominated for best original score. THAT I would've voted for.

This, I was surprised at. How could Halo 4 and Black Ops 2 be up there? Call of Duty games never have good soundtracks and Halo's is nowhere near as good as ME3s.

If ME3 was on that list, it would've won for sure.

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TheProtheans wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If nothing could survive what actually happened there.
If you think nothing could survive then do you think Shepard dreamt up the whole thing somewhere before actually going down to charge the beam.

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?

Shep was hurt by the thing that knocked them unconscious causing them to have the dream in the first place. We've never said the hallucination is happening while Shep is tucked up in bed.


What thing?

Depends which ITer you ask. Harby's death reay, the shuttle crash, the unexplained MAKO crash.

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umadcommander wrote...

unlike heretic hanar you dont actually debate anything just throw random insults, i dont understand why you even post here


I never threw any insults, you only view it as insults because it disagrees with your views.

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archangel1996 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?


After a blast from Harbi shouldn't you be hurt? Maybe a little?


Perhaps you should tell that to BatmanTurian.


:blink:...you are kidding me...... right?


No, did you read his post?

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Restrider wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I didn't deny the explosions. I merely stated the fact that in the EC the Citadel no longer completely explodes.

The explosion is the same, the only major difference is one of the arms doesn't fall off.

It still does, afaik.
The top, the top-left and maybe the top-right Wards show significant movement (and the top looks dispatched from the Presidium Ring).


Except it doesn't, as we can see in the EC slideshow. It shows the Citadel largely in tact, with all arms still attached to it.

The video linked and the slideshows are not mutually exclusive.
The video I linked shows what happens in that moment (in a literal POV mind you), the slides can be in ten years after the basic recunstruction efforts have reconnected the Wards with the Presidium.
Since we definitely know the time of the video, but do not know the time of the slideshow we cannot say if the Citadel was severely damaged or not during that explosion.
Regardless, even the slideshow shows severe damage to the superstructure of the Citadel indicating the amount of destructive energy emitted by the Crucible/Citadel.
Shepard could not have survived that at ground zero, you cannot deny that.
Your conclusion might be that it is bad writing though. We have a different approach.

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RussianZombeh wrote...

This, I was surprised at. How could Halo 4 and Black Ops 2 be up there? Call of Duty games never have good soundtracks and Halo's is nowhere near as good as ME3s.

If ME3 was on that list, it would've won for sure.

And I have voted for Hale as best female performance.

Wow, I hadn't realised what a bad gaming year I've had until seeing Spikes nominees. I've only been able to vote on a few.

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TheProtheans wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

unlike heretic hanar you dont actually debate anything just throw random insults, i dont understand why you even post here


I never threw any insults, you only view it as insults because it disagrees with your views.


wait a moment
ehm ehm i am not an ITer, i wuold fell shame to be one ehm ehm or something like that
this is one

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RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If nothing could survive what actually happened there.
If you think nothing could survive then do you think Shepard dreamt up the whole thing somewhere before actually going down to charge the beam.

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?

Shep was hurt by the thing that knocked them unconscious causing them to have the dream in the first place. We've never said the hallucination is happening while Shep is tucked up in bed.


What thing?

Depends which ITer you ask. Harby's death reay, the shuttle crash, the unexplained MAKO crash.


The further it goes back the more absurd it sounds.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:31 .


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TheProtheans wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If so, why is he hurt in the high destroy ending?


After a blast from Harbi shouldn't you be hurt? Maybe a little?


Perhaps you should tell that to BatmanTurian.


:blink:...you are kidding me...... right?


No, did you read his post?


harby shot Shep, MENS SANA IN CORPRE SANO, Shep is vulnerable, harbi try to indoctrinate Shep
Shep is still hurt, bacuase of the blast

wait wait i will create you answer :o...ehm ehm absurd, you all are shame for us fangir....wait nope...fan

Modifié par archangel1996, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:33 .


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TheProtheans wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

unlike heretic hanar you dont actually debate anything just throw random insults, i dont understand why you even post here


I never threw any insults, you only view it as insults because it disagrees with your views.

You have an amazing short term memory ...

Speaking of it, what about the 10 points out numerous points of evidende of whatever?

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TheProtheans wrote...
The further it goes back the more absurd it sounds.

The mako crash is a couple of minutes before the death ray. Not really that much further back.

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RavenEyry wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

This, I was surprised at. How could Halo 4 and Black Ops 2 be up there? Call of Duty games never have good soundtracks and Halo's is nowhere near as good as ME3s.

If ME3 was on that list, it would've won for sure.

And I have voted for Hale as best female performance.

Wow, I hadn't realised what a bad gaming year I've had until seeing Spikes nominees. I've only been able to vote on a few.

I actually voted ME3 in all its categories as I genuinely think it did better than the other nominees. 2012 has been one of the biggest gaming years, but also one of the worst.

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RussianZombeh wrote...
I actually voted ME3 in all its categories as I genuinely think it did better than the other nominees. 2012 has been one of the biggest gaming years, but also one of the worst.

I don't play screed or blops or halo so I've avoided the most common nominees. I thought the journey was pretty cool from what I've seen of it so voted for that where it appears.

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RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
The further it goes back the more absurd it sounds.

The mako crash is a couple of minutes before the death ray. Not really that much further back.


Even still why would anyone dream about that, it's not very plausible.
And why would Shepard's body be in a different place than the explosion. 

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Ok, choose wisely really rub on on me.... what if we got it all wrong?

So our main point is that ME3's ending is a dream because Shepard is getting more and more affected by the indoctrination since the game gets progressivlely more weird and dreamlike the closer we are to the end of it...

What if is the other way around? Insdead of getting sucked into the illusion the deeper, the further he gets, what if it is instead him waking up from one?

So suppose the whole ME3 is a dream or an illusion, and you are trapped inside of it.
The mroe you do - the weirder it gets - and the less sense it makes - just as the dreams in real life do - at first everything seems normal, and you go along with all the weird stuff, but the further you get into the dream - the more weird stuff piles up, you start to be aware of it, start to analise it and bam - you wake up!

So that that would actually explain the cronos station and priority london being weird - and especially priority londod being so simple ,and even poorly made - Shepard is getting stronger, asnd gets harder to maintain the belivability of the dream for who ever induces it! That way the whole priority london, the beam run, the citadel sequnce are really last ditch attempts to keep shepard from waking up.


To summ it up:
instead of getting more and more affected by a hallucination, and getting weaker and leaving the mind more vulnerable, Shepard is instead is getting stronger and stronger, and that causes the induced hallucination reality to loose credability over time, and seem more and more fake.

Modifié par demersel, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:40 .