TheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
I'd prefer if you explained what reply I'm supposed to reply to
If no organic or synthetic could possibly survive that blast as you say.
Why is Shepard injured in the high destroy ending?
And at what point did this Hallucination begin?
BatmanTurian wrote...
Like any story, the author skips the boring everyday stuff unless it's super important. It's called cutting the fat. Showing Liara installing it would be boring.
demersel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
demersel wrote...
Riddle me this - how is Liara able to bring so much equipment with hir onboard of the Normandy, and install it so quickly, when you resque her unexpectantly from Mars? Was all this equipment already installed on the normandy by allience retrofit? Did she bring it all with her in her pocket?
Presumably she has her own ship in orbit around mars.
And you had time to dock to it, and strip it clear from equipment, while on the run from the reapers and trying to reach the citadel as soon as possible, while having a dying virmire sirvivor in med bay, and again full system of reapers. Besides, where do we know about this ship from? I seem to have missed it.
BatmanTurian wrote...
No, it's not speculating. The Keepers were the ones who opened the relay in the past cycles. Sovereign had to send Saren in to do it manually because apparently he can't do it remotely and needs a thrall (sound familiar? Leviathans?) to do it for him. The reapers can't do it now for the same reason. The Keepers are still sabotaged by the Protheans.TheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Lol, it's not speculation. It's in ME1. If you're going to debate, at least know the facts are clearly there in the subject we're debating about.TheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
But honestly, the IT doesn't explain the biggest problem I have with the ME3 story:
The whole "the reapers conquer the Citadel and take it to Earth, but forgot to shut down the Mass Relays" problem.
It would make sense to take the Citadel to planet earth to harvest humanity and build a reaper. The Citadel was clearly being used the same way the Collector Base was being used. But why the f*ck are the reapers so F*CKING STUPID that they didn't shut down the Mass Relays after dragging the Citadel to planet Earth? They were smart enough to do that in the previous cycles and it always assured victory for the reapers. Why are they so godforsaken stupid now?
The Protheans sabotaged the Keepers. It's all in the story. Pay attention.
It is speculation that the Protheans did more than just altering the Citadel's signal so that the Keepers ignored it.
I see no reason as to why they relay system wasn't shut down and nothing indicates that it is the keepers who shuts it down.
And what would stop the Reapers from changing it even if the keepers were the ones who shut it down.
It was the whole reason Sovereign had to get into the Citidel, to keep that surprise mass relay shutdown going. That was his job as the one who stayed behind. He was supposed to stay in contact with the Keepers to open the relay to Dark Space. In retrospect, he was a major F***up.
The fact is the Protheans altered the Citadel's signal so the keeper would not accept it, anything more is speculating.
And Sovereign locked out the alliance fleet during the battle, so he had the power to shut it down.
Why can't the Reapers do it now?
Modifié par TheProtheans, 04 décembre 2012 - 06:35 .
TheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
I'd prefer if you explained what reply I'm supposed to reply to
If no organic or synthetic could possibly survive that blast as you say.
Why is Shepard injured in the high destroy ending?
And at what point did this Hallucination begin?
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 décembre 2012 - 06:35 .
Game design convenience. We don't see Zaeed move all his crap on the Normandy either because the environment behind the door was already built. It'd be a waste of time and resources to model two different versions of the room just to give time for the occupant to unpack.demersel wrote...
Riddle me this - how is Liara able to bring so much equipment with hir onboard of the Normandy, and install it so quickly, when you resque her unexpectantly from Mars? Was all this equipment already installed on the normandy by allience retrofit? Did she bring it all with her in her pocket?
That's not the same kind of thing, Dem...demersel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Like any story, the author skips the boring everyday stuff unless it's super important. It's called cutting the fat. Showing Liara installing it would be boring.
Are those the same boring bits like did we actually win and how that actually happened or not?
Yeah, semantics, the citidel relay is what I meant. Sovereign did not lock out the fleets because they all came in to kick his ass. There are two relays in the Widow system, the mass relay and the citidel itselfTheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
No, it's not speculating. The Keepers were the ones who opened the relay in the past cycles. Sovereign had to send Saren in to do it manually because apparently he can't do it remotely and needs a thrall (sound familiar? Leviathans?) to do it for him. The reapers can't do it now for the same reason. The Keepers are still sabotaged by the Protheans.TheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Lol, it's not speculation. It's in ME1. If you're going to debate, at least know the facts are clearly there in the subject we're debating about.TheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
But honestly, the IT doesn't explain the biggest problem I have with the ME3 story:
The whole "the reapers conquer the Citadel and take it to Earth, but forgot to shut down the Mass Relays" problem.
It would make sense to take the Citadel to planet earth to harvest humanity and build a reaper. The Citadel was clearly being used the same way the Collector Base was being used. But why the f*ck are the reapers so F*CKING STUPID that they didn't shut down the Mass Relays after dragging the Citadel to planet Earth? They were smart enough to do that in the previous cycles and it always assured victory for the reapers. Why are they so godforsaken stupid now?
The Protheans sabotaged the Keepers. It's all in the story. Pay attention.
It is speculation that the Protheans did more than just altering the Citadel's signal so that the Keepers ignored it.
I see no reason as to why they relay system wasn't shut down and nothing indicates that it is the keepers who shuts it down.
And what would stop the Reapers from changing it even if the keepers were the ones who shut it down.
It was the whole reason Sovereign had to get into the Citidel, to keep that surprise mass relay shutdown going. That was his job as the one who stayed behind. He was supposed to stay in contact with the Keepers to open the relay to Dark Space. In retrospect, he was a major F***up.
The fact is the Protheans altered the Citadel's signal so the keeper would not accept it, anything more is speculating.
And Sovereign locked out the alliance fleet during the battle, so he had the power to shut it down.
Why can't the Reapers do it now?
The Keepers were the ones who opened the Citadel relay, not "the relay".
Sovereign locked out the alliance fleet from using the relays to get to the citadel.
I recall Saren killed citadel control to prevent them from closing the citadel before Sovereign got in or opening after he got in.
BatmanTurian wrote...
Everyone's going to tell you a different thing. It's really hard to tell. For me, I settle for after "Serve Us." and the graze by Harbinger. That puts Shepard under. When a subject is unconcious, the resistance to being indoctrinated is significantly lower. So, presumably, Harbinger is still hovering there doing his thing. It's way out of character for someone who wanted shepard alive and is obsessed with shepard to the point of being a creepy stalker to shoot shepard and then just fly off.
In the high destroy ending, shep is buried in rubble with rebar through his leg because of Harbinger's shot. He never went to the citidel, never activated the crucible, never even got as far as the beam. This leaves a cliffhanger ending and noone knows what will happen next. We just accept this, unlike others who obssess over it like it killed their mothers. I basically see Mass Effect 3's ending like the ending of The Empire Strikes Back, the darkest hour of the galaxy and your classic cliffhanger..
What? No one thinks that. I said already the blast didn't happen in IT. You can't be physically burned by an imaginary explosion.TheProtheans wrote...
So you think he did get caught in the blast and survived.
RavenEyry wrote...
Game design convenience. We don't see Zaeed move all his crap on the Normandy either because the environment behind the door was already built. It'd be a waste of time and resources to model two different versions of the room just to give time for the occupant to unpack.
Modifié par demersel, 04 décembre 2012 - 06:43 .
TheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Everyone's going to tell you a different thing. It's really hard to tell. For me, I settle for after "Serve Us." and the graze by Harbinger. That puts Shepard under. When a subject is unconcious, the resistance to being indoctrinated is significantly lower. So, presumably, Harbinger is still hovering there doing his thing. It's way out of character for someone who wanted shepard alive and is obsessed with shepard to the point of being a creepy stalker to shoot shepard and then just fly off.
In the high destroy ending, shep is buried in rubble with rebar through his leg because of Harbinger's shot. He never went to the citidel, never activated the crucible, never even got as far as the beam. This leaves a cliffhanger ending and noone knows what will happen next. We just accept this, unlike others who obssess over it like it killed their mothers. I basically see Mass Effect 3's ending like the ending of The Empire Strikes Back, the darkest hour of the galaxy and your classic cliffhanger..
So you think he did get caught in the blast and survived.
Dwailing wrote...
TheProtheans wrote...
So you think it will happen despite Bioware stating they won't be adding anything further to the ending.
They don't need to add anything further to the endings for IT to work. All they need to do is give us the post-ending content that shows the effect of our decision. It's a distinction that many Literalists seem to not understand.
Modifié par Ithurael, 04 décembre 2012 - 06:45 .
BatmanTurian wrote...
Sovereign did not lock out the fleets because they all came in to kick his ass. There are two relays in the Widow system, the mass relay and the citidel itself
demersel wrote...
Ok, so the citadel version seem plausable.
next question. So we have a shadow broker's rig, via glyph and stuff, brought into the normandy while on the citaded. (let's ignore "why not finish the retrofit, and fix all the loose cables thing, then as well?" question for now.)
How come the QEC room background has exactly the same pattern as the panels on the Shadow Broker ship, while we have the core of the shadow broker ship installed there as well? Was it installed at the same time? Was it installed at two different times? They evidently come from the same source.
In fact we don't get to use the war room, and the QEC room before we visit the citadel, do we? So is it possible that the retrofit on earth did not include those things, and the ship was almost stripped naked when we left it, BUT ince we get to the citadel it is equipped with both the Shadow Broker's rig AND the ALMIGHTY YET SUCCEPTABLE TO INTERFIERANCE QEC?
Yeah Saren did it. Did you miss the whole reason he needed the conduit?TheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Sovereign did not lock out the fleets because they all came in to kick his ass. There are two relays in the Widow system, the mass relay and the citidel itself
Well you would be wrong.
Joker implies they're locked out and he wants Shepard to unlock them
He also said's unlock the relays around the citadel, not "relay".
So there is more than one relay around the citadel.
Either way it appears you don't know the facts.
RavenEyry wrote...
Yeah Saren did it. Did you miss the whole reason he needed the conduit?TheProtheans wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Sovereign did not lock out the fleets because they all came in to kick his ass. There are two relays in the Widow system, the mass relay and the citidel itself
Well you would be wrong.
Joker implies they're locked out and he wants Shepard to unlock them
He also said's unlock the relays around the citadel, not "relay".
So there is more than one relay around the citadel.
Either way it appears you don't know the facts.
Modifié par TheProtheans, 04 décembre 2012 - 07:01 .
If that console wasn't able to lock the relays, why can Shepard unlock them from there?TheProtheans wrote...
It doesn't say Saren did it.
He needed the conduit to get a back door into the citadel to take it over and keep it shut after Sovereign gets inside.
Modifié par Humakt83, 04 décembre 2012 - 07:07 .
RavenEyry wrote...
If that console wasn't able to lock the relays, why can Shepard unlock them from there?TheProtheans wrote...
It doesn't say Saren did it.
He needed the conduit to get a back door into the citadel to take it over and keep it shut after Sovereign gets inside.
And if it's an override and Sovereign's in control, why doesn't it just close them again immediately after Shep opens them?
Modifié par TheProtheans, 04 décembre 2012 - 07:10 .
Kewl. It never bothered me that Shepard doesn't make a big deal out of being dead because it seemed to suit them, but I found it odd no one asked about it. Probably deleted because Bioware didn't really want to touch on religiously sensitive topics like that.Humakt83 wrote...
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RussianZombeh wrote...
I don't understand what the argument is about concerning Saren, Sovereign and the Citadel. But I'll explain what happened.
The Geth ships and Sovereign came through the Widow Relay and attacked the Citadel Defence ships to allow Sovereign to get to the Citadel Tower.
Saren used the Conduit to sneak into the Citadel to hack into its systems and give full control of the Citadel to Sovereign. Sovereign would then unlock the Citadel Relay manually (because the Protheans disabled the "Keeper Signal") and the Reapers would fly in and start their massacre.
Saren does what he needs to do and confronts Shepard. Shepard kills Saren or persuades him to kill himself then open the Citadel arms for Joker and the Alliance to come in and destroy Sovereign. Sovereign is trying to open the Citadel Relay, but is occupied with killing Shepard via a possessed Saren.
Saren's destruction left Sovereign's defences down (for whatever reason) and the Alliance manages to blow up Sovereign, and stop him from opening the Citadel Relay.
The end.
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