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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Yes Max, but they weren't ready to um try to act like they had themselfs under control.

I could say I practice my lines, but when I get on the stage I repet my lines over and over, until I realize crap I messed up ,and just leave it at that.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

For the head bob mechanic in London, I think it's actually that it switches on and off each playthrough you do. I've done London three times on my Paragon, and the first and last both had normal crosshairs while the second had the moving ones. Also of note, the camera in the weapon mod screen on my second playthrough was wobbling while it wasn't on my first and third.

And am I the only one who names their N7 characters operative-style codenames? For instance, my Shadow is always called Obsidian and my Paladin is called Bulwark.

As said it ceases if you load a savegame and is only after the FOB.
In any case I transitioned from the FOB to the level afterwards it's there.

For the names.. I don't think you're the only one but certainly one of the few. My Paladin is called Mr Operator and sporting Cerberus colors :P

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IT gives Bioware the chance to turn one of the crappiest endings into one of the best endings in history and I refuse to believe that Bioware wouldn't take such an opportunity. The people who work at Bioware stated many times that they love making/writing this game as well as playing it, they make it as much for themselves as for the fans. So then why don't they do that? I don't see any reason against it.

Edit: I'll be back in an hour

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 06 août 2012 - 04:29 .


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Megumi, I played from right before destroying the Hades Cannon each time, so I did go through the FOB to get there. I don't think I chose any different dialogue options when I went through each time, either.

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I always wonder if they watch the IT thread every day to make sure when ever we ask them a question they know already. Hence in the live chat Bioware had they answered some random questions instead of answering ours.

And granted there was only one questioned I like, that was from somebody else, they try to pick the safe route, instead of answering our question with no oh maybe this. No more BS Bioware just tell us, or put slowly tell us in the dlc for sp, and maybe MP.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Megumi, I played from right before destroying the Hades Cannon each time, so I did go through the FOB to get there. I don't think I chose any different dialogue options when I went through each time, either.

Maybe it's bugged like the face in the third dream which is inconsistent.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Megumi, I played from right before destroying the Hades Cannon each time, so I did go through the FOB to get there. I don't think I chose any different dialogue options when I went through each time, either.

Maybe it's bugged like the face in the third dream which is inconsistent.


Bug as in...the facial expression should change? If so, how do we know what 'should' be -- except for an 'it would make sense' argument? Game files?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 06 août 2012 - 04:44 .


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I never got bob at all and I had high ems, and was full paragon, minus 10 renegade. Killed Kai Leng and Udina. XD. But never got that at all.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Megumi, I played from right before destroying the Hades Cannon each time, so I did go through the FOB to get there. I don't think I chose any different dialogue options when I went through each time, either.

Maybe it's bugged like the face in the third dream which is inconsistent.


What? I've never had my face change in the game. There have been plenty of tiny conversation errors that annoy me but never having my face change. Is it connected to the import face errors? It might explain that cause I always play with the default face after all the news of face import failures... :pinched:

#5835
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I know right TJ. I could not import my Shepards original look, but I didn't mind defult Shepard so I played ME3 with my new Shepard. He had to go under a new identity, but kept the same name, and evey thing else.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Megumi, I played from right before destroying the Hades Cannon each time, so I did go through the FOB to get there. I don't think I chose any different dialogue options when I went through each time, either.

Maybe it's bugged like the face in the third dream which is inconsistent.


Bug as in...the facial expression should change? If so, how do we know what 'should' be -- except for an 'it would make sense' argument? Game files?

As in sometimes Shepard looks distressed, sometimes the expression is normal.
With enough tries when loading before starting the attack you can see it's quite random.

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Didn't someone test the dream one a lot and found that no matter what happens or what you say, the face thing is always expressionless, horrified, expressionless, horrified, etc.? That doesn't seem like a bug to me.

Anyways, I was just pointing out something that I found to not be true and that should probably be checked. We should try to have our data be as accurate as possible.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Didn't someone test the dream one a lot and found that no matter what happens or what you say, the face thing is always expressionless, horrified, expressionless, horrified, etc.? That doesn't seem like a bug to me.

No, it's random.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 06 août 2012 - 04:58 .


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Loka that's the problem we are not organized at all. Alll of our evidence/work is all over the place, and it will take some time, to go back to the old IT threads and gather all of our work and make the ultimate proof/a sum up of everything he have done in the past 5 months.

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Could the new area of the citadel be Tayseri Ward- the one that got it worse after sovereign's defeat?

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Maybe Legaldinho, but it could be the Citadel control tower, or C-sec. Hard to say.

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Blaster, we really should work on getting all of our evidence in one place and organized. The longer we wait the more there will be to catalogue. : /

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No one got any thoughts about that?

MegumiAzusa wrote...

One point is interesting. It's hinted that the methods of indoctrination are evolving. Evolution and comments on the Citadel in ME1 show that humans are unaffected at first and can only do rudimentary and forced tasks.
Ben was in full control of himself up to the point Eva shoots the relic where he goes into a rampage and kills her, but assumes control again afterwards, he even incapacitates Desolas.
In ME1 my example would be how it's commented that new species first don't really mind the Consort but later some feel that they are compelled to work with her.

Adding to that what is presumed what the relics function is: a device to devolve the ones who touch it to be easier controlled, which doesn't fit 100% with the indoctrination methods we know. It seems they have first to analyze specimen to devise a form of indoctrination that targets the species without or with less degradation. From that I would say it's one thing that makes this theory even more valid, as Humans are still quite new for them they maybe didn't devise a perfect way to indoctrinate yet, which could lead to the struggle at the end.



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Ya but we all know I can't do it because of my poor grammer/spelling so Arian,byne,simon,and anyone else should do it. I know you can Loka but sadly I can not..

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

No one got any thoughts about that?

MegumiAzusa wrote...

One point is interesting. It's hinted that the methods of indoctrination are evolving. Evolution and comments on the Citadel in ME1 show that humans are unaffected at first and can only do rudimentary and forced tasks.
Ben was in full control of himself up to the point Eva shoots the relic where he goes into a rampage and kills her, but assumes control again afterwards, he even incapacitates Desolas.
In ME1 my example would be how it's commented that new species first don't really mind the Consort but later some feel that they are compelled to work with her.

Adding to that what is presumed what the relics function is: a device to devolve the ones who touch it to be easier controlled, which doesn't fit 100% with the indoctrination methods we know. It seems they have first to analyze specimen to devise a form of indoctrination that targets the species without or with less degradation. From that I would say it's one thing that makes this theory even more valid, as Humans are still quite new for them they maybe didn't devise a perfect way to indoctrinate yet, which could lead to the struggle at the end.


I posted a couple days ago I think there are levels of indoctrination.
In direct proximity of a Reaper your thought processes are slowly changed (Saren pre-implants).
And when you get in direct contact with Reaper tech or let yourself get implanted with it, it let's the Reapers gain control of your body. Like a computer virus.

Edit: a virus that evolves and adapts to the host.

Modifié par Home run MF, 06 août 2012 - 05:22 .


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So, the catalyst says that the Civilization that created him gave the reapers form. What if that include the Catalyst?

Could the beings of light be the creators of the Catalyst, which explains why the Catalyst appears the way he is aside from looking like the child?

#5847
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Well the Leviathans are the race that created the Catalyst, but the beings. Of light are something else.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Blaster, we really should work on getting all of our evidence in one place and organized. The longer we wait the more there will be to catalogue. : /


What you speak of is already in progress. It actually I believe is almost done. Be patient. :D 

#5849
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I know TJ, but you know me, and any word about if Estebanus got a pm back from Chris yet?

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EpyonX3 wrote...

So, the catalyst says that the Civilization that created him gave the reapers form. What if that include the Catalyst?

Could the beings of light be the creators of the Catalyst, which explains why the Catalyst appears the way he is aside from looking like the child?


I actually have an idea on why his appearance is blue glowy. We already figured why he takes the form of the child, but not the glowy part. I think I figured it out. Check out the Evidence entry in my signature or in the official thread of WNT and go to the Arrival portion. ^_^

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 06 août 2012 - 05:31 .