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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rated T for Troll. Read the post that was posted 4 minutes before that one.


That's a little uncalled for don't you think? Andromidius was perfectly polite. It's easy to miss posts when the thread is moving fast, and sarcasm doesn't translate well into text.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...
Rated T for Troll. Read the post that was posted 4 minutes before that one.


Rated A for Arse.  Not everyone refreshes the page instantly.

And I'm still right.  You're still wrong.  That doesn't make me a troll.

Oh, 4 minutes and no reply?  How the tables have turned.

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Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.


Except it is the case. Arrival was a good DLC - very interesting backgrounds on indoctrination too.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.


Which actually makes less sense, meaning in the process of making your point, you proved it wrong.

You should do that more often. It makes arguing with you much easier.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.

Playing Arrival maybe doesn't change ME3 in any significant way but it changes how the player views the story. Think about it. That's interactive storytelling.

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byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.


Which actually makes less sense, meaning in the process of making your point, you proved it wrong.

You should do that more often. It makes arguing with you much easier.


Or just don't concern yourself with someone who thinks a winged whale wearing a shawl is the pinnacle of storytelling.

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Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.




Which actually makes less sense, meaning in the process of making your point, you proved it wrong.

You should do that more often. It makes arguing with you much easier.


Or just don't concern yourself with someone who thinks a winged whale wearing a shawl is the pinnacle of storytelling.


LOL

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byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.


Which actually makes less sense, meaning in the process of making your point, you proved it wrong.

You should do that more often. It makes arguing with you much easier.


You don't make any sense.  I really don't know how you intepretated my post, but I most certainly did not prove myself wrong.

Shepard can choose not to do Arrival. In that case ME3 changes the codex on that event and tells the player that a different squad did the job.

So in other words: Yes, the events in Arrival are canon, but no, Shepard doing those events isn't always canon , it only is if you chose to play that piece of DLC. If you skip the DLC, the canon changes and tells you that a different squad did that Arrival mission.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.


Which actually makes less sense, meaning in the process of making your point, you proved it wrong.

You should do that more often. It makes arguing with you much easier.


You don't make any sense.  I really don't know how you intepretated my post, but I most certainly did not prove myself wrong.

Shepard can choose not to do Arrival. In that case ME3 changes the codex on that event and tells the player that a different squad did the job.

So in other words: Yes, the events in Arrival are canon, but no, Shepard doing those events isn't always canon , it only is if you chose to play that piece of DLC. If you skip the DLC, the canon changes and tells you that a different squad did that Arrival mission.


If your Shepard doesn't do Arrival it is not a canon Shep. 

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.


Which actually makes less sense, meaning in the process of making your point, you proved it wrong.

You should do that more often. It makes arguing with you much easier.


You don't make any sense.  I really don't know how you intepretated my post, but I most certainly did not prove myself wrong.

Shepard can choose not to do Arrival. In that case ME3 changes the codex on that event and tells the player that a different squad did the job.

So in other words: Yes, the events in Arrival are canon, but no, Shepard doing those events isn't always canon , it only is if you chose to play that piece of DLC. If you skip the DLC, the canon changes and tells you that a different squad did that Arrival mission.


It makes less since because:

A) Hackett didnt send a team of marines in the first place because he thought it would get Kenson killed. Why he'd do it anyways makes no sense
B) If you dont do it, you are locked up for no reason at all in ME3

So the events of Arrival being canon whether Shepard did it or not make much less sense if you didnt actually do Arrival.

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byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.


Which actually makes less sense, meaning in the process of making your point, you proved it wrong.

You should do that more often. It makes arguing with you much easier.


You don't make any sense.  I really don't know how you intepretated my post, but I most certainly did not prove myself wrong.

Shepard can choose not to do Arrival. In that case ME3 changes the codex on that event and tells the player that a different squad did the job.

So in other words: Yes, the events in Arrival are canon, but no, Shepard doing those events isn't always canon , it only is if you chose to play that piece of DLC. If you skip the DLC, the canon changes and tells you that a different squad did that Arrival mission.


It makes less since because:

A) Hackett didnt send a team of marines in the first place because he thought it would get Kenson killed. Why he'd do it anyways makes no sense
B) If you dont do it, you are locked up for no reason at all in ME3

So the events of Arrival being canon whether Shepard did it or not make much less sense if you didnt actually do Arrival.

BioWare said themselves more then once whichever Shep does or does not is canon. If your Shep did Arrival it's canon. If your Shep didn't do Arrival it's not canon. Simply as that.
I can't even believe why this is still discussed.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...


BioWare said themselves more then once whichever Shep does or does not is canon. If your Shep did Arrival it's canon. If your Shep didn't do Arrival it's not canon. Simply as that.
I can't even believe why this is still discussed.


Cos HH won't accept he's wrong.

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byne wrote...

It makes less since because:

A) Hackett didnt send a team of marines in the first place because he thought it would get Kenson killed. Why he'd do it anyways makes no sense
B) If you dont do it, you are locked up for no reason at all in ME3

So the events of Arrival being canon whether Shepard did it or not make much less sense if you didnt actually do Arrival.


A) This is only the case if you download and play Arrival. If you never downloaded Arrival, Hackett never contacted Shepard and just sends a team of marines. If you did download Arrival but didn't play it, Hackett did contact Shepard, but Shepard didn't do it, therefor Hackett was forced to send a team of marines anyway.
Different canons for different playthroughs. There is not 1 single true canon. I thought BioWare made that clear by now.

B) Not true. If you didn't play Arrival, you're locked up for working with Cerberus. The codex even says so. The leaked script says so too.

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CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


BioWare said themselves more then once whichever Shep does or does not is canon. If your Shep did Arrival it's canon. If your Shep didn't do Arrival it's not canon. Simply as that.
I can't even believe why this is still discussed.


Cos HH won't accept he's wrong.

He is exactly saying that.

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So, having paid no attention to Dragonborn until it came out today, I was unaware there would be dragon riding. At first I was super excited, because I figured it'd be like a horse but way cooler.

Its actually pretty lame. Unless I'm doing it wrong, the dragon just flies around in circles while you make it attack things on the ground.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BioWare said themselves more then once whichever Shep does or does not is canon. If your Shep did Arrival it's canon. If your Shep didn't do Arrival it's not canon. Simply as that.
I can't even believe why this is still discussed.


This. Thank you Megumi. At least you understand.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

It makes less since because:

A) Hackett didnt send a team of marines in the first place because he thought it would get Kenson killed. Why he'd do it anyways makes no sense
B) If you dont do it, you are locked up for no reason at all in ME3

So the events of Arrival being canon whether Shepard did it or not make much less sense if you didnt actually do Arrival.


A) This is only the case if you download and play Arrival. If you never downloaded Arrival, Hackett never contacted Shepard and just sends a team of marines. If you did download Arrival but didn't play it, Hackett did contact Shepard, but Shepard didn't do it, therefor Hackett was forced to send a team of marines anyway.
Different canons for different playthroughs. There is not 1 single true canon. I thought BioWare made that clear by now.

B) Not true. If you didn't play Arrival, you're locked up for working with Cerberus. The codex even says so. The leaked script says so too.


Then your Shepard is not canon. 

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Shepard can choose not to do Arrival. In that case ME3 changes the codex on that event and tells the player that a different squad did the job.

So in other words: Yes, the events in Arrival are canon, but no, Shepard doing those events isn't always canon , it only is if you chose to play that piece of DLC. If you skip the DLC, the canon changes and tells you that a different squad did that Arrival mission.


No the canon does not change. That's really what "canon" means here - the official core storyline which remains consistent. If your Shepard doesn't do arrival then he/she effectively branches off into a parallel fictional universe, diverging from that canon.

Also from Home Run MF's post on the previous page - http://social.biowar...7/2348#15166925

It's clear from Vega's comic, which is considered part of the canon, that he was assigned to guard Shepard because of the events of Arrival. 

Modifié par Eryri, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:53 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


BioWare said themselves more then once whichever Shep does or does not is canon. If your Shep did Arrival it's canon. If your Shep didn't do Arrival it's not canon. Simply as that.
I can't even believe why this is still discussed.


Cos HH won't accept he's wrong.

He is exactly saying that.


Nope. All DLC is canon.

You are both wrong.

Modifié par CoolioThane, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:53 .


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CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arrival is canon. If you're going to skip major parts of a story, don't complain when other parts don't make sense.


Except that's not the case. You can skip Arrival if you like (which I even reccomend, it's a sh*tty DLC not worth your time or money) and ME3 is still the same. ME3 does not make more or less sense if you didn't play Arrival. Everything stays the same except for the fact that the codex about Arrival changes, telling you that another Alliance squad got the job done.


Which actually makes less sense, meaning in the process of making your point, you proved it wrong.

You should do that more often. It makes arguing with you much easier.


You don't make any sense.  I really don't know how you intepretated my post, but I most certainly did not prove myself wrong.

Shepard can choose not to do Arrival. In that case ME3 changes the codex on that event and tells the player that a different squad did the job.

So in other words: Yes, the events in Arrival are canon, but no, Shepard doing those events isn't always canon , it only is if you chose to play that piece of DLC. If you skip the DLC, the canon changes and tells you that a different squad did that Arrival mission.


If your Shepard doesn't do Arrival it is not a canon Shep. 


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol: *tears in eyes*

You don't expect me to take you seriously after this comment do you? :lol: LMAO!

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CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

It makes less since because:

A) Hackett didnt send a team of marines in the first place because he thought it would get Kenson killed. Why he'd do it anyways makes no sense
B) If you dont do it, you are locked up for no reason at all in ME3

So the events of Arrival being canon whether Shepard did it or not make much less sense if you didnt actually do Arrival.


A) This is only the case if you download and play Arrival. If you never downloaded Arrival, Hackett never contacted Shepard and just sends a team of marines. If you did download Arrival but didn't play it, Hackett did contact Shepard, but Shepard didn't do it, therefor Hackett was forced to send a team of marines anyway.
Different canons for different playthroughs. There is not 1 single true canon. I thought BioWare made that clear by now.

B) Not true. If you didn't play Arrival, you're locked up for working with Cerberus. The codex even says so. The leaked script says so too.


Then your Shepard is not canon.

A non canon Shepard does not exist.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol: *tears in eyes*

You don't expect me to take you seriously after this comment do you? :lol: LMAO!


Yes.

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I think Chris once said that LotSB is canon with or without Shepard, though I could be wrong