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[Diurdi]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Shepard can choose not to do Arrival. In that case ME3 changes the codex on that event and tells the player that a different squad did the job.

So in other words: Yes, the events in Arrival are canon, but no, Shepard doing those events isn't always canon , it only is if you chose to play that piece of DLC. If you skip the DLC, the canon changes and tells you that a different squad did that Arrival mission.

No the canon does not change. That's really what "canon" means here - the official core storyline which remains consistent. If your Shepard doesn't do arrival then he/she effectively branches off into a parallel fictional universe, diverging from that canon.

Ah, so the "canon" version of Mass Effect isn't a fictional univere?! LMAO!  HAHAHAHA! *tears in eyes*

What a bunch of bullcrap. BioWare said, REPEATEDLY, that there is no 1 canon in Mass Effect. Everybodys Shepard is valid and everybodys Shepard is canon. If your Shepard does something that another Shepards doesn't, your canon might be different from the other persons canon, but it's not any more or less valid.

It's clear from Vega's comic, which is considered part of the canon, that he was assigned to guard Shepard because of the events of Arrival. 

Vega's comic does not say WHY Shepard is locked up. So that comic doesn't make playing Arrival the one true canon.

So if every shepard is canon, is ME3 a slap in the face to everyone who had their shepard die during the suicide mission?

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What else is Bioware going to say? All DLC is canon. It's part of the damn story. Don't play them? Your loss. I don't get how someone can be invested enough in Mass Effect to spend a lot of time on bsn, but doesn't bother with major dlc. Arrival is the damn bridge between two games. It's canon.

No one said he/she didn't play it. It is said that whether playing it or not, the resulting Sheps are equal, thus none is more canon then the other.

Except all the DLC is canon, else there would be no point in making it.

Of course they SAY "oh yeah, all Shepards are canon"

When of course, we all know it's, "All Shepards who buy and complete our DLC are canon, but we can't say that or we'll get even more press for not selling a "complete game" and making players pay more for the whole experience"

All DLC is canon, and disagreeing with that is just plain silly

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


Vega's comic does not say WHY Shepard is locked up. So that comic doesn't make playing Arrival the one true canon.

The very first line of the comic is literally "Somewhere deep in the heart of Omega, days after the annihilation of a Batarian system by Commander Shepard."

Word of God tells him canon-Shep does Arrival...says it's wrong

"I believe all words of God"

Lol

Word of God never said canon-Shep does Arrival. Word of God however does say that ALL SHEPARDS ARE CANON.

In case you didn't realize it yet: Casey Hudson is the God here. Whatever he says is the highest word of God.

But the official comic in his official universe is official. Therefore word of God.

So you're saying "All word of God is right, but some words of God are more right than others"

Hi Napoleon 

I'm not denying any Word of God, I'm only not accepting your ass-pulls. Prove to me that Word of God said Shepard doing Arrival is canon. Prove it to me. Show me the original quote. I dare you. I double dare you.

[401 Kill]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Behold. The signature.

I would worship that piece of art if I was a Hanar!

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What else is Bioware going to say? All DLC is canon. It's part of the damn story. Don't play them? Your loss. I don't get how someone can be invested enough in Mass Effect to spend a lot of time on bsn, but doesn't bother with major dlc. Arrival is the damn bridge between two games. It's canon.

No one said he/she didn't play it. It is said that whether playing it or not, the resulting Sheps are equal, thus none is more canon then the other.

Except all the DLC is canon, else there would be no point in making it.

Of course they SAY "oh yeah, all Shepards are canon"

When of course, we all know it's, "All Shepards who buy and complete our DLC are canon, but we can't say that or we'll get even more press for not selling a "complete game" and making players pay more for the whole experience"

All DLC is canon, and disagreeing with that is just plain silly

You're just pulling crap out of your ass. It's Word of God versus your word. I go with Word of God if you don't mind.

Word of God > your word

[Lokanaiya]

You know, I was just wondering, with all the people around here insisting that Bioware said two obviously contradictory statements, has anyone here actually gone and looked for a quote? Not just "I'm pretty sure they said this..." or "I remember them saying that..." an actual quote. Because I don't know about you guys, but I'm kind of tired of having this same argument over and over again. Just get an a quote from a Bioware developer and factually prove what you're trying to say. In fact, it might be a good idea to put that quote on the first page or at least store it somewhere easy to get to for future arguments.

I also find it slightly ironic that the 16 year old is the first person to suggest going and finding proof...

Edit: Oops, second person, kinda. But the point still stands for you as well Hanar. If you say you have the Word of God on your side, go and find said word. I'll wait.

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 05 décembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


Vega's comic does not say WHY Shepard is locked up. So that comic doesn't make playing Arrival the one true canon.

The very first line of the comic is literally "Somewhere deep in the heart of Omega, days after the annihilation of a Batarian system by Commander Shepard."

Word of God tells him canon-Shep does Arrival...says it's wrong

"I believe all words of God"

Lol

Word of God never said canon-Shep does Arrival. Word of God however does say that ALL SHEPARDS ARE CANON.

In case you didn't realize it yet: Casey Hudson is the God here. Whatever he says is the highest word of God.

But the official comic in his official universe is official. Therefore word of God.

So you're saying "All word of God is right, but some words of God are more right than others"

Hi Napoleon 

I'm not denying any Word of God, I'm only not accepting your ass-pulls. Prove to me that Word of God said Shepard doing Arrival is canon. Prove it to me. Show me the original quote. I dare you. I double dare you.

It was in the comic, an official Bioware publication. Though...I forgot that word of God doesn't count because it proves you wrong.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What else is Bioware going to say? All DLC is canon. It's part of the damn story. Don't play them? Your loss. I don't get how someone can be invested enough in Mass Effect to spend a lot of time on bsn, but doesn't bother with major dlc. Arrival is the damn bridge between two games. It's canon.

No one said he/she didn't play it. It is said that whether playing it or not, the resulting Sheps are equal, thus none is more canon then the other.

Except all the DLC is canon, else there would be no point in making it.

Of course they SAY "oh yeah, all Shepards are canon"

When of course, we all know it's, "All Shepards who buy and complete our DLC are canon, but we can't say that or we'll get even more press for not selling a "complete game" and making players pay more for the whole experience"

All DLC is canon, and disagreeing with that is just plain silly

I can just sell Legion and basically skip any dialogue/mission with him. Does that make my game incomplete? No. Same as I can skip looting planets in ME1 etc. If you decide not to do something it's still canon. If I would decide not to get every DLC my Shep is still as canon as yours.

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


Vega's comic does not say WHY Shepard is locked up. So that comic doesn't make playing Arrival the one true canon.

The very first line of the comic is literally "Somewhere deep in the heart of Omega, days after the annihilation of a Batarian system by Commander Shepard."

Word of God tells him canon-Shep does Arrival...says it's wrong

"I believe all words of God"

Lol

Word of God never said canon-Shep does Arrival. Word of God however does say that ALL SHEPARDS ARE CANON.

In case you didn't realize it yet: Casey Hudson is the God here. Whatever he says is the highest word of God.

But the official comic in his official universe is official. Therefore word of God.

So you're saying "All word of God is right, but some words of God are more right than others"

Hi Napoleon 

I'm not denying any Word of God, I'm only not accepting your ass-pulls. Prove to me that Word of God said Shepard doing Arrival is canon. Prove it to me. Show me the original quote. I dare you. I double dare you.

It was in the comic, an official Bioware publication. Though...I forgot that word of God doesn't count because it proves you wrong.

The Word of God said that whenever a novel and your Shepards story are in conflict, your Shepards story is to be considered canon and the novel isn't.


So Word of God once again proves me right. You're just talking crap out of your ass, again.


Like I said 3 pages ago: End of Debate.

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What else is Bioware going to say? All DLC is canon. It's part of the damn story. Don't play them? Your loss. I don't get how someone can be invested enough in Mass Effect to spend a lot of time on bsn, but doesn't bother with major dlc. Arrival is the damn bridge between two games. It's canon.

No one said he/she didn't play it. It is said that whether playing it or not, the resulting Sheps are equal, thus none is more canon then the other.

Except all the DLC is canon, else there would be no point in making it.

Of course they SAY "oh yeah, all Shepards are canon"

When of course, we all know it's, "All Shepards who buy and complete our DLC are canon, but we can't say that or we'll get even more press for not selling a "complete game" and making players pay more for the whole experience"

All DLC is canon, and disagreeing with that is just plain silly

You're just pulling crap out of your ass. It's Word of God versus your word. I go with Word of God if you don't mind.

Word of God > your word

"Crap" out my "ass" 

Once again you claim word of God, but then deny IT as valid, despite word of God saying it is...

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


Vega's comic does not say WHY Shepard is locked up. So that comic doesn't make playing Arrival the one true canon.

The very first line of the comic is literally "Somewhere deep in the heart of Omega, days after the annihilation of a Batarian system by Commander Shepard."

Word of God tells him canon-Shep does Arrival...says it's wrong

"I believe all words of God"

Lol

Word of God never said canon-Shep does Arrival. Word of God however does say that ALL SHEPARDS ARE CANON.

In case you didn't realize it yet: Casey Hudson is the God here. Whatever he says is the highest word of God.

But the official comic in his official universe is official. Therefore word of God.

So you're saying "All word of God is right, but some words of God are more right than others"

Hi Napoleon 

I'm not denying any Word of God, I'm only not accepting your ass-pulls. Prove to me that Word of God said Shepard doing Arrival is canon. Prove it to me. Show me the original quote. I dare you. I double dare you.

It was in the comic, an official Bioware publication. Though...I forgot that word of God doesn't count because it proves you wrong.

And in the game, an official Bioware publication, it was not.

[hukbum]

Lokanaiya wrote...

You know, I was just wondering, with all the people around here insisting that Bioware said two obviously contradictory statements, has anyone here actually gone and looked for a quote? Not just "I'm pretty sure they said this..." or "I remember them saying that..." an actual quote. Because I don't know about you guys, but I'm kind of tired of having this same argument over and over again. Just get an a quote from a Bioware developer and factually prove what you're trying to say. In fact, it might be a good idea to put that quote on the first page or at least store it somewhere easy to get to for future arguments.

I also find it slightly ironic that the 16 year old is the first person to suggest going and finding proof...

Edit: Oops, second person, kinda. But the point still stands for you as well Hanar. If you say you have the Word of God on your side, go and find said word. I'll wait.

Quoted, because I think the same and maybe it'll get the attention needed.
This is getting really stupid ...

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


The Word of God said that whenever a novel and your Shepards story are in conflict, your Shepards story is to be considered canon and the novel isn't.


So Word of God once again proves me right. You're just talking crap out of your ass, again.


Like I said 3 pages ago: End of Debate.

No. Once again, they are forced to say that to cater for retards who would moan and scream "NEEEEEEEEEOAFHSOFHFH" because their Shepard died in the Suicide Mission. Get a grip. In Bioware's eyes all DLC is canon. 

[Big_Boss9]

Lokanaiya wrote...

You know, I was just wondering, with all the people around here insisting that Bioware said two obviously contradictory statements, has anyone here actually gone and looked for a quote? Not just "I'm pretty sure they said this..." or "I remember them saying that..." an actual quote. Because I don't know about you guys, but I'm kind of tired of having this same argument over and over again. Just get an a quote from a Bioware developer and factually prove what you're trying to say. In fact, it might be a good idea to put that quote on the first page or at least store it somewhere easy to get to for future arguments.

I also find it slightly ironic that the 16 year old is the first person to suggest going and finding proof...

Edit: Oops, second person, kinda. But the point still stands for you as well Hanar. If you say you have the Word of God on your side, go and find said word. I'll wait.

Hudson's " We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon." quote comes from this January 2012 interview: http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=3

Though, again, I still think all DLCs are canon.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

And in the game, an official Bioware publication, it was not.

But the scenario in the game, with Arrival not being played, makes no sense. We appear to be going round in circles as this point was made pages and pages ago. They intended for Arrival to be canon, it is canon, but to stop whining they have to say "everyone is canon"

[MegumiAzusa]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

You know, I was just wondering, with all the people around here insisting that Bioware said two obviously contradictory statements, has anyone here actually gone and looked for a quote? Not just "I'm pretty sure they said this..." or "I remember them saying that..." an actual quote. Because I don't know about you guys, but I'm kind of tired of having this same argument over and over again. Just get an a quote from a Bioware developer and factually prove what you're trying to say. In fact, it might be a good idea to put that quote on the first page or at least store it somewhere easy to get to for future arguments.

I also find it slightly ironic that the 16 year old is the first person to suggest going and finding proof...

Edit: Oops, second person, kinda. But the point still stands for you as well Hanar. If you say you have the Word of God on your side, go and find said word. I'll wait.

Hudson's " We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon." quote comes from this January 2012 interview: http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=3

Though, again, I still think all DLCs are canon.

QED

[Lokanaiya]

Also, fellow ITers, if we find out that the developers said that there is no canon Shepard or that your personal Shepard takes precedence over any canon Shepard, how about we just accept that we're wrong and move on? Come on guys, we pride ourselves on being the intellectual ones who look at the facts and not our feelings to determine what the answer is. How about we act like it?

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


The Word of God said that whenever a novel and your Shepards story are in conflict, your Shepards story is to be considered canon and the novel isn't.


So Word of God once again proves me right. You're just talking crap out of your ass, again.


Like I said 3 pages ago: End of Debate.

No. Once again, they are forced to say that to cater for retards who would moan and scream "NEEEEEEEEEOAFHSOFHFH" because their Shepard died in the Suicide Mission. Get a grip. In Bioware's eyes all DLC is canon.

If you really want to go that way... You can say the same about IT... just saying.

[The Heretic of Time]

Director of Marketing David Silverman says BioWare doesn't have a "canon" version of the hero: "The beautiful thing about the Mass Effect series is the fact that the player gets to make choices that actually impact the game and make their entire game experience unique to them."

Source: http://www.joystiq.c...hero-18-play-f/


Owned.

Can we finally stop this debate now and all accept that there is no canon Shepard? Yes? Good.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 05 décembre 2012 - 01:37 .

[CoolioThane]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Also, fellow ITers, if we find out that the developers said that there is no canon Shepard or that your personal Shepard takes precedence over any canon Shepard, how about we just accept that we're wrong and move on? Come on guys, we pride ourselves on being the intellectual ones who look at the facts and not our feelings to determine what the answer is. How about we act like it?

I was already aware of the quotes.

DLC is canon. Fact. 

[MegumiAzusa]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Also, fellow ITers, if we find out that the developers said that there is no canon Shepard or that your personal Shepard takes precedence over any canon Shepard, how about we just accept that we're wrong and move on? Come on guys, we pride ourselves on being the intellectual ones who look at the facts and not our feelings to determine what the answer is. How about we act like it?

That's what I am telling them for at least 500 pages.

[byne]

Since no DLC is canon, literalists can no longer pretend the Extended Cut disproved IT in some way, since the Extended Cut is not canon.

Thanks for playing.

Modifié par byne, 05 décembre 2012 - 01:39 .

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


The Word of God said that whenever a novel and your Shepards story are in conflict, your Shepards story is to be considered canon and the novel isn't.


So Word of God once again proves me right. You're just talking crap out of your ass, again.


Like I said 3 pages ago: End of Debate.

No. Once again, they are forced to say that to cater for retards who would moan and scream "NEEEEEEEEEOAFHSOFHFH" because their Shepard died in the Suicide Mission. Get a grip. In Bioware's eyes all DLC is canon.

If you really want to go that way... You can say the same about IT... just saying.

Except, we wouldn't scream or moan, as we're not mentally retarded.

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Since no DLC is canon, literalists can no longer pretend the Extended Cut disproved IT in some way, since the Extended Cut is not canon.

Thanks for playing.

Touche.


Of course you can't use this to prove the IT either.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Since no DLC is canon, literalists can no longer pretend the Extended Cut disproved IT in some way, since the Extended Cut is not canon.

Thanks for playing.

Which is what I said lots of times btw, pre EC it's completely ambiguous which they subsequently messed up with the EC. That is also one of the reasons I usually make that distinction. (Esp at the ones who said "uh nu Megumi's gone literals"... trolls)

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 05 décembre 2012 - 01:41 .