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[spotlessvoid]

Is a Shepard who stops at me2 canon?

[Arashi08]

seems like it would have been much easier if they had just made it so that Shepard still did Arrival even if a player starts off with ME3. Would a player really feel THAT left out of the loop if they had? If it were me I would have just felt like it was part of Shepard's backstory, just like their Personal History that you choose back in ME1, but that could be just me...

Deciding to change the whole Arrival thing just made everything more confusing apparently...

[hukbum]

Wat für'n Kindergarten ...

[MegumiAzusa]

SwobyJ wrote...

I think people mistaken Shep canon for Bioware canon.

If your Shepard didn't do Arrival, then of course he didn't do anything in it.

The narrative progression treats things as though you did it, even if the specific details don't.

If Hellish somehow thinks that Arrival is some big point where Shepard starts a dream and all of ME3 is that dream, then I'll have to disagree with him big time.

All Arrival is, imo, is an illustrative DLC. Shep doesn't even need to be indoctrinated there.

There is plenty of time before, as you can read from one of the books Kahlee just talking with Reaper-Grayson for maybe a minute causes her to agree with him until a shot from Andersons shotgun breaks it. (whoops spoiled it)

[Fur28]

hello, i dont know who asked about Conviction, but wouldnt the first line make Arrival cannon

 

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

In all honesty, the IT can neither be proven nor disproven at this point. So whether someone wishes to believe int he IT or not is their business. It's basically a bit like believing in God. The existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven.

I see no reason to believe in God though and I see no reason to believe in the IT either. I'm an atheist on both matters for that sole reason: there is no reason to believe it.

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Is a Shepard who stops at me2 canon?

In itself yes, at least it's no less canon then one who doesn't die.

[Home run MF]

SwobyJ wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

Whoa, been gone a day and now we are arguing about DLC being canon? Someone fill me in, I was under the impression if it came from BioWare or the writers, it was considered canon. Books, comics, DLC, games, all of it...

I consider all material to be canon unless there is clear contradiction between sources (ME: Deception, for example), and in that case its still not tossed out, but instead is just debatable.

DLC is all canon but the writers allow the player to ignore it if they wish. ME3 doesn't make any sort of sense if Arrival isn't canon, but they don't erase it happening - they instead say you've done some vague act(s).

Bioware considers LotSB and Arrival to be bridging story DLC, so it pretty much, yes, happened.

In my opinion the no canon quotes are a way of preventing the "Bioware took out pieces of content to sell them as DLC later" comments. If they tell you it's not necessary to play it and put justification in the game you feel more in control of your character actions.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

In all honesty, the IT can neither be proven nor disproven at this point. So whether someone wishes to believe int he IT or not is their business. It's basically a bit like believing in God. The existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven.

I see no reason to believe in God though and I see no reason to believe in the IT either. I'm an atheist on both matters for that sole reason: there is no reason to believe it.

Are we really back to calling IT a religion? I thought you were better than that.

[Lokanaiya]

How about we drop the issue, since some people obviously can't accept the fact that they might be wrong?

(I don't like to wave my age around, but again, 16 year old calling for order and maturity....)

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

In all honesty, the IT can neither be proven nor disproven at this point. So whether someone wishes to believe int he IT or not is their business. It's basically a bit like believing in God. The existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven.

I see no reason to believe in God though and I see no reason to believe in the IT either. I'm an atheist on both matters for that sole reason: there is no reason to believe it.

Are we really back to calling IT a religion? I thought you were better than that.

belief in God =/= a religion

I thought you'd know the difference between both.

[MaximizedAction]

hukbum wrote...

Wat für'n Kindergarten ...

xD

However, this sadly hints that the thread might've passed its healthy expiration page number. People fighting over semantics wasting time and pages.

Aber nun ab ins Bett.

Good night!

[MegumiAzusa]

Fur28 wrote...

hello, i dont know who asked about Conviction, but wouldnt the first line make Arrival cannon

 

And a new started Shep from ME3 is equally canon, which is the point.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

belief in God =/= a religion

I thought you'd know the difference between both.

I understand the difference, it just seemed you were headed in that direction.

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

In all honesty, the IT can neither be proven nor disproven at this point. So whether someone wishes to believe int he IT or not is their business. It's basically a bit like believing in God. The existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven.

I see no reason to believe in God though and I see no reason to believe in the IT either. I'm an atheist on both matters for that sole reason: there is no reason to believe it.

Apart from the mountains of evidence (Talking about IT)

I like to think there's something after death, whether it be God or something else. Life's too short to worry about death. 

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

In all honesty, the IT can neither be proven nor disproven at this point. So whether someone wishes to believe int he IT or not is their business. It's basically a bit like believing in God. The existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven.

I see no reason to believe in God though and I see no reason to believe in the IT either. I'm an atheist on both matters for that sole reason: there is no reason to believe it.

Apart from the mountains of evidence (Talking about IT)

I like to think there's something after death, whether it be God or something else. Life's too short to worry about death. 

There is as much evidence for the IT as there is for alien visitors on our world.

[paxxton]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Behold. The signature.

All hail the Signature!

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

In all honesty, the IT can neither be proven nor disproven at this point. So whether someone wishes to believe int he IT or not is their business. It's basically a bit like believing in God. The existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven.

I see no reason to believe in God though and I see no reason to believe in the IT either. I'm an atheist on both matters for that sole reason: there is no reason to believe it.

Are we really back to calling IT a religion? I thought you were better than that.

belief in God =/= a religion

I thought you'd know the difference between both.

It's a very loaded analogy Hanar.

You know there's mountains of scientific evidence denying the existence of God.

By saying IT is like God...you're claiming IT is not backed up by mountains of evidence.

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

In all honesty, the IT can neither be proven nor disproven at this point. So whether someone wishes to believe int he IT or not is their business. It's basically a bit like believing in God. The existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven.

I see no reason to believe in God though and I see no reason to believe in the IT either. I'm an atheist on both matters for that sole reason: there is no reason to believe it.

Apart from the mountains of evidence (Talking about IT)

I like to think there's something after death, whether it be God or something else. Life's too short to worry about death. 

There is as much evidence for the IT as there is for alien visitors on our world.

Except all the evidence that you ignore. 

Brings me back to Chris again: If you don't like IT dont go on the thread.

[spotlessvoid]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Is a Shepard who stops at me2 canon?

In itself yes, at least it's no less canon then one who doesn't die.

Not a Shepard who dies. One who just skips vme3

[acidic-ph0]

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

In all honesty, the IT can neither be proven nor disproven at this point. So whether someone wishes to believe int he IT or not is their business. It's basically a bit like believing in God. The existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven.

I see no reason to believe in God though and I see no reason to believe in the IT either. I'm an atheist on both matters for that sole reason: there is no reason to believe it.

Are we really back to calling IT a religion? I thought you were better than that.

belief in God =/= a religion

I thought you'd know the difference between both.

It's a very loaded analogy Hanar.

You know there's mountains of scientific evidence denying the existence of God.

By saying IT is like God...you're claiming IT is not backed up by mountains of evidence.

Woah guys I can see where this is going and it isn't pretty. I think we should keep the religious/diety analogies and arguments out of these forums... It's a great way to get this thread locked =/

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

belief in God =/= a religion

I thought you'd know the difference between both.

I understand the difference, it just seemed you were headed in that direction.

There is your problem. You don't even give people the benefit of doubt anymore

[Lokanaiya]

... Maybe we should keep away from religious... well, anything?

But then, I highly expect this post to be ignored as well. *sigh*