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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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spotlessvoid wrote...

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Is a Shepard who stops at me2 canon?

In itself yes, at least it's no less canon then one who doesn't die.


Not a Shepard who dies. One who just skips vme3

There are many Shepherds but only one Shepard. CanonShep.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 décembre 2012 - 02:16 .


#58852
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Lokanaiya wrote...

... Maybe we should keep away from religious... well, anything?

But then, I highly expect this post to be ignored as well. *sigh*

Yes. The darkness (aka religion) must not be breached :3

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Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

I am on top, that makes me correct.


It pretty much is a tie...

To Bioware, anything they make is canon, duh.

But since they make the story presented in very subjective ways depending on the player and what they paid for, there is also no canon.

Different forms really.

Conclusion about Arrival - It 'happened', but they'll allow it not to happen. Story just won't make as much sense for those who chose not to do it though.

Another example is Omega - Omega is gonna be taken back by canon, I'm sure of it. It just makes a lot less sense for it to happen without Shepard, but hey, you're the player, and you have the $$$$ to buy the DLC or not. Bioware isn't gonna automatically invalidate you not buying the DLC, but they're surely going to make the story a bit more confusing if you don't.

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Hanar....why come here to troll everyday? Aren't you tired of it? Is trolling really that fun?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

belief in God =/= a religion

I thought you'd know the difference between both.


I understand the difference, it just seemed you were headed in that direction.

There is your problem. You don't even give people the benefit of doubt anymore :(


There is no problem; we get it a lot on the thread. We're all bored of it.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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I think people mistaken Shep canon for Bioware canon.

If your Shepard didn't do Arrival, then of course he didn't do anything in it.

The narrative progression treats things as though you did it, even if the specific details don't.

If Hellish somehow thinks that Arrival is some big point where Shepard starts a dream and all of ME3 is that dream, then I'll have to disagree with him big time.

All Arrival is, imo, is an illustrative DLC. Shep doesn't even need to be indoctrinated there.

There is plenty of time before, as you can read from one of the books Kahlee just talking with Reaper-Grayson for maybe a minute causes her to agree with him until a shot from Andersons shotgun breaks it. (whoops spoiled it)


You spoiler!! :o

Yeah I mean, to Arrival-Sheps, Object Rho (in an IT story at least..) would be the push over the edge for his indoctination.

But to non-Arrival-Sheps, it just happened progressively over time and exposure. And the story is more confusing. Meh you chose not to play it!

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SwobyJ wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

I am on top, that makes me correct.


It pretty much is a tie...

To Bioware, anything they make is canon, duh.

But since they make the story presented in very subjective ways depending on the player and what they paid for, there is also no canon.

Different forms really.

Conclusion about Arrival - It 'happened', but they'll allow it not to happen. Story just won't make as much sense for those who chose not to do it though.

Another example is Omega - Omega is gonna be taken back by canon, I'm sure of it. It just makes a lot less sense for it to happen without Shepard, but hey, you're the player, and you have the $$$$ to buy the DLC or not. Bioware isn't gonna automatically invalidate you not buying the DLC, but they're surely going to make the story a bit more confusing if you don't.

Still not doing a DLC is the same, story wise, as not doing a loyalty mission for example. It doesn't matter if it's additional content to the original game or not.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

... Maybe we should keep away from religious... well, anything?

But then, I highly expect this post to be ignored as well. *sigh*


I've found something funny while digging through files, let me upload it.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

I am on top, that makes me correct.


It pretty much is a tie...

To Bioware, anything they make is canon, duh.

But since they make the story presented in very subjective ways depending on the player and what they paid for, there is also no canon.

Different forms really.

Conclusion about Arrival - It 'happened', but they'll allow it not to happen. Story just won't make as much sense for those who chose not to do it though.

Another example is Omega - Omega is gonna be taken back by canon, I'm sure of it. It just makes a lot less sense for it to happen without Shepard, but hey, you're the player, and you have the $$$$ to buy the DLC or not. Bioware isn't gonna automatically invalidate you not buying the DLC, but they're surely going to make the story a bit more confusing if you don't.

Still not doing a DLC is the same, story wise, as not doing a loyalty mission for example. It doesn't matter if it's additional content to the original game or not.


Arguable. 

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CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

belief in God =/= a religion

I thought you'd know the difference between both.


I understand the difference, it just seemed you were headed in that direction.

There is your problem. You don't even give people the benefit of doubt anymore :(


There is no problem; we get it a lot on the thread. We're all bored of it.

Which resulted in attacking a few people without any reason the last few hundred pages. Being annoyed and bored is no excuse.

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And who would that be Megumi?

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CoolioThane

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

belief in God =/= a religion

I thought you'd know the difference between both.


I understand the difference, it just seemed you were headed in that direction.

There is your problem. You don't even give people the benefit of doubt anymore :(


There is no problem; we get it a lot on the thread. We're all bored of it.

Which resulted in attacking a few people without any reason the last few hundred pages. Being annoyed and bored is no excuse.


Not true. Your use of the word attacking is odd.

Who are you referring to?

Modifié par CoolioThane, 05 décembre 2012 - 02:22 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

And who would that be Megumi?

Random people who came here and first thing that happened was they got attacked.

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Home run MF wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

... Maybe we should keep away from religious... well, anything?

But then, I highly expect this post to be ignored as well. *sigh*


I've found something funny while digging through files, let me upload it.

Please, anything.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

And who would that be Megumi?

Random people who came here and first thing that happened was they got attacked.


Great example Megumi

Modifié par CoolioThane, 05 décembre 2012 - 02:23 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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And who would that be Megumi?

Random people who came here and first thing that happened was they got attacked.


Ah, "random people"

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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And who would that be Megumi?

Random people who came here and first thing that happened was they got attacked.

You're talking about the ones who came here, attack people and then got a response?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering both sides produced quotes supporting their positions, I'd call the argument a tie.

Though I did get Hanar to admit that the EC cant disprove IT because it is not canon, which is nice.

I am on top, that makes me correct.


It pretty much is a tie...

To Bioware, anything they make is canon, duh.

But since they make the story presented in very subjective ways depending on the player and what they paid for, there is also no canon.

Different forms really.

Conclusion about Arrival - It 'happened', but they'll allow it not to happen. Story just won't make as much sense for those who chose not to do it though.

Another example is Omega - Omega is gonna be taken back by canon, I'm sure of it. It just makes a lot less sense for it to happen without Shepard, but hey, you're the player, and you have the $$$$ to buy the DLC or not. Bioware isn't gonna automatically invalidate you not buying the DLC, but they're surely going to make the story a bit more confusing if you don't.

Still not doing a DLC is the same, story wise, as not doing a loyalty mission for example. It doesn't matter if it's additional content to the original game or not.


Ehhh... no, I don't think so. Different degrees of DLC, different degrees of mission story importance.

I mean you can avoid recruiting Garrus in ME1 but ME2 all BUT assumes you recruited him. A couple line changes and thats it. So him joining you is Bioware-Dev-Canon (as in how they write MOST of the game, with variations) but not necessarily player canon.

That's why I posted my list a few pages back. Some DLC is absolutely totally optional, like Firewalker and Bring Down the Sky. Some is closer to 'full canon-ish' but not quite, like Kasumi and maybe Omega(?). But some is rather more intigrated into understanding the story (especially if IT is to be correct), like Arrival.

Some DLC is the same as a loyalty mission (or is quite literally one, like Zaeed and Kasumi), but some is less than that (Pinnacle Station), and some is more than that (LOTSB).

I consider 'bridging DLC' to be all but totally canon, but Bioware doesn't want players peeved off so they change a few lines if you don't have it.

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hukbum wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

And who would that be Megumi?

Random people who came here and first thing that happened was they got attacked.

You're talking about the ones who came here, attack people and then got a response?

Nope, but the ones who came here, stated some thoughts, got attacked, argued, then later even got apologies. And no I'm too lazy to look through the thread for an example. If you don't remember any instance you are indeed really delusional.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 05 décembre 2012 - 02:29 .


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That is an amazing optical illusion!

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Amazing!

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Ah, the word "delusional". It has been overused so much it's as if it has no meaning anymore.


Please remain calm.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 05 décembre 2012 - 02:28 .


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401 Kill wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

... Maybe we should keep away from religious... well, anything?

But then, I highly expect this post to be ignored as well. *sigh*


I've found something funny while digging through files, let me upload it.

Please, anything.

Clicky

Modifié par Home run MF, 05 décembre 2012 - 02:28 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

hukbum wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

And who would that be Megumi?

Random people who came here and first thing that happened was they got attacked.

You're talking about the ones who came here, attack people and then got a response?

Nope, but the ones who came here, stated some thoughts, got attacked, argued, then later even got apologies. And no I'm too lazy to look through the thread for an example. If you don't remember any instance you are indeed really delusional.


Lol, the only ones shouting down people with ideas are the literalists coming into the IT THREAD. 

Look at the optical illusion maybe it'll calm you down.