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I like the ending to HR, though it sounds thematically similar to the original Deus Ex, which I've not played. It's a pity it's a prequel and not a reboot because the end choice is devalued by it not changing anything in the sequel.

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RavenEyry wrote...

I like the ending to HR, though it sounds thematically similar to the original Deus Ex, which I've not played. It's a pity it's a prequel and not a reboot because the end choice is devalued by it not changing anything in the sequel.

There's like a 25-year difference between the two games, though. It makes sense if you think about it.

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Fur28 wrote...

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Anime. Where the human body contains 84 gallons of blood.

What's funny is that for many; the lesser the wound, the more blood lost. I want someone in an anime to get a paper cut to see what would happen.Posted Image


Probably bleed to death=]

Or simply pop due to the force of the blood escaping.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 05 décembre 2012 - 08:22 .


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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I like the ending to HR, though it sounds thematically similar to the original Deus Ex, which I've not played. It's a pity it's a prequel and not a reboot because the end choice is devalued by it not changing anything in the sequel.

There's like a 25-year difference between the two games, though. It makes sense if you think about it.


Eh.  It basically says your choice didn't matter in the long run, and just happened via a different means.

Encourage an end to augments?  It continues anyway.

Control augments?  They rebel anyway.

Encourage more augment research?  It happens regardless.

Make no choice?  Happens anyway.

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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I like the ending to HR, though it sounds thematically similar to the original Deus Ex, which I've not played. It's a pity it's a prequel and not a reboot because the end choice is devalued by it not changing anything in the sequel.

There's like a 25-year difference between the two games, though. It makes sense if you think about it.


I remember reading that the Sinking Panchea ending was the cannon, for reasons i dont remember.
Also they could say that HR created another timeline and continue freely without the restrains from Deus Ex story, like the new Star Trek did

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Anime. Where the human body contains 84 gallons of blood.

What's funny is that for many; the lesser the wound, the more blood lost. I want someone in an anime to get a paper cut to see what would happen.Posted Image


Probably bleed to death=]

Or simply pop due to the force of the blood escaping.


And later replaced by a demon/robotic one that works on friendship power to fight demons

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I always preferred HR's refuse option because it's not the position of one man to decide the future of the world.

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yes  the end of shepards journey.  Finish off the reapers only for us to discover he is indoctrinated at the very end?  Very Blakes Seven  (see attached)

www.youtube.com/watch


Ah yes, Blake's 7. Not a lot of people know Firefly was totally a rip off of a cheap seventies BBC series.

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Fur28 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I like the ending to HR, though it sounds thematically similar to the original Deus Ex, which I've not played. It's a pity it's a prequel and not a reboot because the end choice is devalued by it not changing anything in the sequel.

There's like a 25-year difference between the two games, though. It makes sense if you think about it.

I remember reading that the Sinking Panchea ending was the cannon, for reasons i dont remember.
Also they could say that HR created another timeline and continue freely without the restrains from Deus Ex story, like the new Star Trek did

There's actually no canon ending as I specifically recall reading this from one of the game's writers in answer to a similar question on Eidos Montreal's Tumblr page. Destroying Panchea is just the most convenient way of ending the game which led some to assume it is canonical, but it really wasn't intended that way.

It's kind of like Refusal: an easy way out.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 05 décembre 2012 - 08:31 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

I always preferred HR's refuse option because it's not the position of one man to decide the future of the world.


Thats the only ending i haven´t choose yet, mostly because i dont want Jensen to die
And the otherfoptions didn´t feel like Synthesis, so for me they were all okay

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Speaking of HR, how do you think the movie will turn out?

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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I like the ending to HR, though it sounds thematically similar to the original Deus Ex, which I've not played. It's a pity it's a prequel and not a reboot because the end choice is devalued by it not changing anything in the sequel.

There's like a 25-year difference between the two games, though. It makes sense if you think about it.

I remember reading that the Sinking Panchea ending was the cannon, for reasons i dont remember.
Also they could say that HR created another timeline and continue freely without the restrains from Deus Ex story, like the new Star Trek did

There's actually no canon ending as I specifically recall reading this from one of the game's writers in answer to a similar question on Eidos Montreal's Tumblr page. Destroying Panchea is just the most convenient way of ending the game which led some to assume it is canonical, but it really wasn't intended that way.

It's kind of like Refusal: an easy way out.


Speaking of Panchea, I'm in Firebase Rio

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Speaking of Panchea, I'm in Firebase Rio

So I'm not the only one who thought it looked creepily similar.

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Speaking of HR, how do you think the movie will turn out?

What movie? There's a movie? What?

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Fur28 wrote...

Speaking of HR, how do you think the movie will turn out?

What movie? There's a movie? What?

In work:
www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/10/deus-ex-movie-in-the-works

Director:
www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/15/sinister-director-to-helm-deus-ex-human-revolution

Modifié par Fur28, 05 décembre 2012 - 08:45 .


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I hope it's an original film based on the themes and premise, because a direct adaptation of a choice heavy game is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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I hope it's an original film based on the themes and premise, because a direct adaptation of a choice heavy game is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


It´s like making a movie based on the ME trilogy

i dont remember many big choices in the game, aside from the ending. But well i just want to see all those augmentations in Live-action, and making it look like the E3 Cinematic trailer

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

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Speaking of Panchea, I'm in Firebase Rio

So I'm not the only one who thought it looked creepily similar.


I can't take credit for noticing that, it was pointed out to me, but yeah, almost identical. Bioware has a great sense of humour Posted Image

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i dont remember many big choices in the game, aside from the ending. But well i just want to see all those augmentations in Live-action, and making it look like the E3 Cinematic trailer

It has the whole kill em or let em live thing, which changes the ending narration, so I'd call that a big choice.

And I also thought the idea of an ME movie was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard at the time. Luckily it seems to be in development hell.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Fur28 wrote...
i dont remember many big choices in the game, aside from the ending. But well i just want to see all those augmentations in Live-action, and making it look like the E3 Cinematic trailer

It has the whole kill em or let em live thing, which changes the ending narration, so I'd call that a big choice.

And I also thought the idea of an ME movie was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard at the time. Luckily it seems to be in development hell.


being that the producers will want a blockbuster they´ll want a "kill em all" with some stealth, althought it´s my style of play i understand how it would ****** some people off.
And you´re right it´s just stupid doing a movie based on a choice making game

Oh, the ME movie it´s advancing a little:
www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/24/mass-effect-movie-moves-ahead OCt.24
i just hope it´s based outside the trilogy, and that the writer being a ME fan helps a little

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RavenEyry wrote...

Fur28 wrote...
i dont remember many big choices in the game, aside from the ending. But well i just want to see all those augmentations in Live-action, and making it look like the E3 Cinematic trailer

It has the whole kill em or let em live thing, which changes the ending narration, so I'd call that a big choice.

And I also thought the idea of an ME movie was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard at the time. Luckily it seems to be in development hell.


I imagine a low-death count movie might be preferable.  There are too many movies with hundreds of mooks killed, so one with a merciful protagonist might be a breath of fresh air.

As for ME...  That's simple.  Maleshep seems more canon then Femshep (even though I think Femshep is more awesome) and they'll just take neutral choices for everything, and probably cut out any of the big choices (Virmire survivor) and have Saren commit suicide.  Otherwise its pretty straightfoward to go full neutral.

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Andromidius wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Fur28 wrote...
i dont remember many big choices in the game, aside from the ending. But well i just want to see all those augmentations in Live-action, and making it look like the E3 Cinematic trailer

It has the whole kill em or let em live thing, which changes the ending narration, so I'd call that a big choice.

And I also thought the idea of an ME movie was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard at the time. Luckily it seems to be in development hell.


I imagine a low-death count movie might be preferable.  There are too many movies with hundreds of mooks killed, so one with a merciful protagonist might be a breath of fresh air.

As for ME...  That's simple.  Maleshep seems more canon then Femshep (even though I think Femshep is more awesome) and they'll just take neutral choices for everything, and probably cut out any of the big choices (Virmire survivor) and have Saren commit suicide.  Otherwise its pretty straightfoward to go full neutral.


At the end they will left important plot things out, and at the end they will come back to bite they´re asses, and create more plotholes than in the videogame

I´m looking at you Hunger Games

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Being slapped on the poster because marketing doesn't like not showing the main character hardly makes Sheploo 'more canon'.

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Pages 2350 and 2351 will be remembered as the lost pages...
It is really irritating to read it.

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Restrider wrote...

Pages 2350 and 2351 will be remembered as the lost pages...
It is really irritating to read it.


Aww yeah! 

Anyways, for the music to make anyone want to cry, surely it would involve the main characters. Only way this can really happen is with post-ending DLC. Combined with the fact it's got 9 writers and 3 composers working on it...methinks it could be PEDLC, which means IT...probably

If not, meh