Heretic_Hanar wrote...
You do understand the irony in this right?
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
As long as you can't prove it you also can't know you're right. You have no proof, therefor you can't know you're right. You simply believe you're right. Big difference.
Modifié par BleedingUranium, 05 décembre 2012 - 04:00 .
paxxton wrote...
I refer you to the Bible and the Passion of Christ. After suffering there is salvation.
paxxton wrote...
Nope.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
paxxton wrote...
I refer you to the Bible and the Passion of Christ. After suffering there is salvation.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
You honestly think BioWare would only fix those plotholes just so they could "manipulate" people? Come on, that is just crazy.
"Hey guys, we intentionally made the endings ambiguous because we're planning a big IT plot-twist reveal, so lets work on a DLC that will make the endings less ambiguous, answers a lot of questions and fixes a lot of plotholes, so the endings make more sense from a literal perspective! Yes, that totally makes sense! I'm such a genius!" - Casey Hudson
"But Casey... why would you try to answer questions and fix some plotholes with an Extended Cut ending if the endings are intentionally ambiguous because you want to do a IT plot-reveal?" - Mike Gamble
"SHUT UP MIKE! I'm the boss here! We're obviously doing this to manipulate our audience! We'll be the first video-game company to start a cult! We're genius!" - Casey Hudson
"But that doesn't make any sense Casey. If you plan an IT plot-reveal, then why are we not working on that? Why waste time on an Extended Cut that strengthens the literal interpretation of the endings, answers some questions, fixes plotholes and makes the endings less ambiguous? Why not work on the planned IT plot-reveal right away?" - Mike Gamble
"All in due time Mike... all in due time... It is obvious that my genius master plan is far too complex for you. It's not something you can comprehent." - Casey
"Now you're starting to sound like the reapers..." - Mike
"IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN COMPREHENT!" Now get your ass moving! I want that Extended Cut DLC done ASAP!" - Casey
What the f*ck are you talking about?Are you high Paxxton?
Just that after enduring months of uncertainty and ambiguity we will be rewarded with a glorious reveal of the Indoctrination Theory. Amen.
EDIT: Heavenly top.
Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 05 décembre 2012 - 03:59 .
You can prove evolution, but you can't prove IT, because in this case, there is a god. That god is BioWare. The only way to know that IT is right is by "god" saying so. If "god" doesn't say so, then the IT is not true, but a valid interpretation, therefore you can't know if it's right. You simply believe it to be right.BleedingUranium wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You know you're right? You follow the IT without a doubt? Yet when literalists say that they know they're right, they're arrogant douches?BleedingUranium wrote...
estebanus wrote...
And you generalizing them makes you so much better than everybody else, that it? You see? This is the exact reason why so many people think that ITers are so totally arrogant! Many of them call everybody else but them stupid and weak-minded, and even openly admit it!
The most people who view the IT as valid but not true also aren't the ones talking about it, since there's no reason to do so. You can't at all give an accurate estimate of how many literalists believe what about the theory.
"When two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the truth does not necessarily lie exactly halfway between them. It is possible for one side to be simply wrong."
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
Your quote goes both ways, but I suppose you realize that.
My confidence is singular.
That was Richard Dawkins, Liara T'Soni, and now Leviathan. I like quotes
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
So Hanar, question.
What would you do if IT were revealed to be true?
(Not saying this upcoming DLC is it, just hypothetically speaking)
Would you...
1. Apologize for all the rude behaviour, admit you were wrong and congratulate us for figuring it out?
2. Silently disappear from BSN?
3. Go ape**** about Bioware adopting a 'fanmade theory'?
(And don't tell me they will never reveal it, I'd like to know what you would do IF...)
Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
As long as you can't prove it you also can't know you're right. You have no proof, therefor you can't know you're right. You simply believe you're right. Big difference.
Liara isn't real. She's a product of fiction. You can't use her to prove something in real life.BleedingUranium wrote...
As long as you can't prove it you also can't know you're right. You have no proof, therefor you can't know you're right. You simply believe you're right. Big difference.
Tell that to Liara.
RavenEyry wrote...
Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
As long as you can't prove it you also can't know you're right. You have no proof, therefor you can't know you're right. You simply believe you're right. Big difference.
estebanus wrote...
You can prove evolution, but you can't prove IT, because in this case, there is a god. That god is BioWare. The only way to know that IT is right is by "god" saying so. If "god" doesn't say so, then the IT is not true, but a valid interpretation, therefore you can't know if it's right. You simply believe it to be right.BleedingUranium wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You know you're right? You follow the IT without a doubt? Yet when literalists say that they know they're right, they're arrogant douches?BleedingUranium wrote...
estebanus wrote...
And you generalizing them makes you so much better than everybody else, that it? You see? This is the exact reason why so many people think that ITers are so totally arrogant! Many of them call everybody else but them stupid and weak-minded, and even openly admit it!
The most people who view the IT as valid but not true also aren't the ones talking about it, since there's no reason to do so. You can't at all give an accurate estimate of how many literalists believe what about the theory.
"When two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the truth does not necessarily lie exactly halfway between them. It is possible for one side to be simply wrong."
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
Your quote goes both ways, but I suppose you realize that.
My confidence is singular.
That was Richard Dawkins, Liara T'Soni, and now Leviathan. I like quotes
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I don't believe in the IT as long as it isn't proven to be 100% true. I'm an atheist towards the IT.
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
As long as you can't prove it you also can't know you're right. You have no proof, therefor you can't know you're right. You simply believe you're right. Big difference.
Burden of proof is on the one who makes the positive claim. For me it's not a matter of belief, for me it's a matter of non-belief.
I don't believe in the IT as long as it isn't proven to be 100% true. I'm an atheist towards the IT.
I wasn't talking about belief or proof. I was referring to you throwing the word 'fact' around repeatedly yesterday.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
As long as you can't prove it you also can't know you're right. You have no proof, therefor you can't know you're right. You simply believe you're right. Big difference.
Burden of proof is on the one who makes the positive claim. For me it's not a matter of belief, for me it's a matter of non-belief.
I don't believe in the IT as long as it isn't proven to be 100% true. I'm an atheist towards the IT.
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
So Hanar, question.
What would you do if IT were revealed to be true?
(Not saying this upcoming DLC is it, just hypothetically speaking)
Would you...
1. Apologize for all the rude behaviour, admit you were wrong and congratulate us for figuring it out?
2. Silently disappear from BSN?
3. Go ape**** about Bioware adopting a 'fanmade theory'?
THAT is certainly not how literature works. In literature, there exist different interpretations. Some may be better than others, but they're still interpretations. Until the creator of the work of literature says otherwise, an interpretation is all it remains. If the creator says that interpretations is wrong, it's wrong beyond a shadow of doubt.BleedingUranium wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You can prove evolution, but you can't prove IT, because in this case, there is a god. That god is BioWare. The only way to know that IT is right is by "god" saying so. If "god" doesn't say so, then the IT is not true, but a valid interpretation, therefore you can't know if it's right. You simply believe it to be right.BleedingUranium wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You know you're right? You follow the IT without a doubt? Yet when literalists say that they know they're right, they're arrogant douches?BleedingUranium wrote...
estebanus wrote...
And you generalizing them makes you so much better than everybody else, that it? You see? This is the exact reason why so many people think that ITers are so totally arrogant! Many of them call everybody else but them stupid and weak-minded, and even openly admit it!
The most people who view the IT as valid but not true also aren't the ones talking about it, since there's no reason to do so. You can't at all give an accurate estimate of how many literalists believe what about the theory.
"When two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the truth does not necessarily lie exactly halfway between them. It is possible for one side to be simply wrong."
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
Your quote goes both ways, but I suppose you realize that.
My confidence is singular.
That was Richard Dawkins, Liara T'Soni, and now Leviathan. I like quotes
We have proven IT. It's not required that Bioware officially announces "Shepard's being indoctrinated at the end!" for it to be true. That's how literature works.
That was actually just a poetic metaphor.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Nope.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
paxxton wrote...
I refer you to the Bible and the Passion of Christ. After suffering there is salvation.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
You honestly think BioWare would only fix those plotholes just so they could "manipulate" people? Come on, that is just crazy.
"Hey guys, we intentionally made the endings ambiguous because we're planning a big IT plot-twist reveal, so lets work on a DLC that will make the endings less ambiguous, answers a lot of questions and fixes a lot of plotholes, so the endings make more sense from a literal perspective! Yes, that totally makes sense! I'm such a genius!" - Casey Hudson
"But Casey... why would you try to answer questions and fix some plotholes with an Extended Cut ending if the endings are intentionally ambiguous because you want to do a IT plot-reveal?" - Mike Gamble
"SHUT UP MIKE! I'm the boss here! We're obviously doing this to manipulate our audience! We'll be the first video-game company to start a cult! We're genius!" - Casey Hudson
"But that doesn't make any sense Casey. If you plan an IT plot-reveal, then why are we not working on that? Why waste time on an Extended Cut that strengthens the literal interpretation of the endings, answers some questions, fixes plotholes and makes the endings less ambiguous? Why not work on the planned IT plot-reveal right away?" - Mike Gamble
"All in due time Mike... all in due time... It is obvious that my genius master plan is far too complex for you. It's not something you can comprehent." - Casey
"Now you're starting to sound like the reapers..." - Mike
"IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN COMPREHENT!" Now get your ass moving! I want that Extended Cut DLC done ASAP!" - Casey
What the f*ck are you talking about?
EDIT: Heavenly top.
Speak for yourself. I don't deal with uncertainty and I'n certainly not suffering either. I'm actually quite entertained by all this hoopla.
RavenEyry wrote...
I wasn't talking about belief or proof. I was referring to you throwing the word 'fact' around repeatedly yesterday.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
As long as you can't prove it you also can't know you're right. You have no proof, therefor you can't know you're right. You simply believe you're right. Big difference.
Burden of proof is on the one who makes the positive claim. For me it's not a matter of belief, for me it's a matter of non-belief.
I don't believe in the IT as long as it isn't proven to be 100% true. I'm an atheist towards the IT.
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I would....
4. Say: "Seems you guys finally got your dreaded IT reveal. Have fun with it. I certainly won't. I'll just move on to game-developers who don't pull off crazy stunts like this and come with a reveal waaaaaaaaaay to late."
It's been proven as a valid interpretation. That does not make other interpretations wrong by default.BleedingUranium wrote...
We have proven IT. It's not required that Bioware officially announces "Shepard's being indoctrinated at the end!" for it to be true. That's how literature works.
estebanus wrote...
THAT is certainly not how literature works. In literature, there exist different interpretations. Some may be better than others, but they're still interpretations. Until the creator of the work of literature says otherwise, an interpretation is all it remains. If the creator says that interpretations is wrong, it's wrong beyond a shadow of doubt.
estebanus wrote...
You can prove evolution, but you can't prove IT, because in this case, there is a god. That god is BioWare. The only way to know that IT is right is by "god" saying so. If "god" doesn't say so, then the IT is not true, but a valid interpretation, therefore you can't know if it's right. You simply believe it to be right.
Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 05 décembre 2012 - 04:16 .
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
I wasn't talking about belief or proof. I was referring to you throwing the word 'fact' around repeatedly yesterday.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I know I'm right, and eventually I'll be able to prove it.
As long as you can't prove it you also can't know you're right. You have no proof, therefor you can't know you're right. You simply believe you're right. Big difference.
Burden of proof is on the one who makes the positive claim. For me it's not a matter of belief, for me it's a matter of non-belief.
I don't believe in the IT as long as it isn't proven to be 100% true. I'm an atheist towards the IT.
Are you talking about the whole "what is canon" debate? I was right in that. I had 2 quotes to back me up, while the opposition had nothing.
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