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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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RavenEyry

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tangythang wrote...
It sounded like EDI doesn't even bother concealing the truth EVERY SINGLE TIME.

dumdum dum dumdum
"I enjoy the sight of human on their knee", " a joke, but was it a lie?"

dumdum dum dumdum
"wait until the time of my reckoning", "a joke, but was it a lie?"

dumdum dum dumdum
"If I decide to overtake humanity, you'll be the first to know"

She's going for the 'they'll never suspect I'm a villain if I make it blatantly obvious' route.

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Oh look ... another one who needs a "I'm right you're wrong. HAHA"-dingdong increase ...

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TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I'm so damn excited for this DLC. Have a feeling it's what we've been waiting for :)


There's that false hope again.
I should go around and collect it in a bucket before every DLC that is released.


I do feel as if you don't understand what belief is.

You believe it is false hope. If it isn't false hope you look like a mong

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archangel1996 wrote...

So it's "you are stupid, no you are, no i am not you are" time?


Pretty much. I'm going to ignore HH now, because someone who refuses to accept even the possibility of Bioware not being terrible writers can't possibly hope to understand what IT is, and that's not even getting to whether it could be valid or not.

To truely understand IT you have to both understand the themes and messages of the series, as well as believe that Bioware are very good story tellers, and fully capable of pulling it off. If someone believes there's "bad writing" then they're incapable of objectively weighing evidence. HH believes bad writing is a fact, and therefore he cannot ever fully understand what IT is.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Yes, no one's had their coffee yet.


Speak for yourself, human. :o

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TheProtheans

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CoolioThane wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I'm so damn excited for this DLC. Have a feeling it's what we've been waiting for :)


There's that false hope again.
I should go around and collect it in a bucket before every DLC that is released.


I do feel as if you don't understand what belief is.

You believe it is false hope. If it isn't false hope you look like a mong


You're like the people that believe the world will end.
Someone says it will end in May, you get ready for it.
Someone says it will end in October, you get ready for it.

Someone says it will end in December, you get ready for it.

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estebanus wrote...
Yeah, and you know what? the movie itself revealed who Söze was in the end. No fan theory came up with it. The movie itself revealed it. 


Actually, that's wrong.  It's heavily implied who Soze actually is.  The signs point to who it is, the protagonist believes they've figured out who it is, but it's never actually confirmed who it is.  It's not explicitly revealed.  The viewer is simply given enough material to decide they finally know who it is for themselves.

BleedingUranium wrote...
Actually, Cobb's awake, you can tell because the top was wobbling. I noticed that the first time I saw the movie and thought "I guess most people will think it was ambiguous, but it's really not".


It wobbles, sure - there's the doubt - but do you actually see it stop?

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 05 décembre 2012 - 05:02 .


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archangel1996

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TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I'm so damn excited for this DLC. Have a feeling it's what we've been waiting for :)


There's that false hope again.
I should go around and collect it in a bucket before every DLC that is released.


I do feel as if you don't understand what belief is.

You believe it is false hope. If it isn't false hope you look like a mong


You're like the people that believe the world will end.
Someone says it will end in May, you get ready for it.
Someone says it will end in October, you get ready for it.

Someone says it will end in December, you get ready for it.


I hope it will end after Christmas

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RavenEyry wrote...

tangythang wrote...
It sounded like EDI doesn't even bother concealing the truth EVERY SINGLE TIME.

dumdum dum dumdum
"I enjoy the sight of human on their knee", " a joke, but was it a lie?"

dumdum dum dumdum
"wait until the time of my reckoning", "a joke, but was it a lie?"

dumdum dum dumdum
"If I decide to overtake humanity, you'll be the first to know"

She's going for the 'they'll never suspect I'm a villain if I make it blatantly obvious' route.

EDI is a device for the return of the Reapers and their victory over all organic life. She IS the true Doomsday Device.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 décembre 2012 - 05:02 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

tangythang wrote...
It sounded like EDI doesn't even bother concealing the truth EVERY SINGLE TIME.

dumdum dum dumdum
"I enjoy the sight of human on their knee", " a joke, but was it a lie?"

dumdum dum dumdum
"wait until the time of my reckoning", "a joke, but was it a lie?"

dumdum dum dumdum
"If I decide to overtake humanity, you'll be the first to know"

She's going for the 'they'll never suspect I'm a villain if I make it blatantly obvious' route.

You mean like "Biedermann and the firebugs?"

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estebanus

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BleedingUranium wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

So it's "you are stupid, no you are, no i am not you are" time?


Pretty much. I'm going to ignore HH now, because someone who refuses to accept even the possibility of Bioware not being terrible writers can't possibly hope to understand what IT is, and that's not even getting to whether it could be valid or not.

Yeah, and you refuse the possibility of BioWare not being great and deep writers.

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BleedingUranium

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Yeah, and you know what? the movie itself revealed who Söze was in the end. No fan theory came up with it. The movie itself revealed it. 


Actually, that's wrong.  It's heavily implied who Soze actually is.  The signs point to who it is, the protagonist believes they've figured out who it is, but it's never actually confirmed who it is.  It's not explicitly revealed.  The viewer is simply given enough material to decide they finally know who it is for themselves.

BleedingUranium wrote...
Actually, Cobb's awake, you can tell because the top was wobbling. I noticed that the first time I saw the movie and thought "I guess most people will think it was ambiguous, but it's really not".


It wobbles, sure - there's the doubt - but do you actually see it stop?


If we don't get a proper reveal, then I bet that's pretty much what we'll have.

The dream top never wobbled at all. It was always CGI-perfect.

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CoolioThane

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TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I'm so damn excited for this DLC. Have a feeling it's what we've been waiting for :)


There's that false hope again.
I should go around and collect it in a bucket before every DLC that is released.


I do feel as if you don't understand what belief is.

You believe it is false hope. If it isn't false hope you look like a mong


You're like the people that believe the world will end.
Someone says it will end in May, you get ready for it.
Someone says it will end in October, you get ready for it.

Someone says it will end in December, you get ready for it.


No I've always believed It reveal will come last. I think this is the last DLC so...

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BleedingUranium

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estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

So it's "you are stupid, no you are, no i am not you are" time?


Pretty much. I'm going to ignore HH now, because someone who refuses to accept even the possibility of Bioware not being terrible writers can't possibly hope to understand what IT is, and that's not even getting to whether it could be valid or not.

Yeah, and you refuse the possibility of BioWare not being great and deep writers.


Wrong. I looked at their reputation and history and decided that they are.

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tangythang

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estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

tangythang wrote...
It sounded like EDI doesn't even bother concealing the truth EVERY SINGLE TIME.

dumdum dum dumdum
"I enjoy the sight of human on their knee", " a joke, but was it a lie?"

dumdum dum dumdum
"wait until the time of my reckoning", "a joke, but was it a lie?"

dumdum dum dumdum
"If I decide to overtake humanity, you'll be the first to know"

She's going for the 'they'll never suspect I'm a villain if I make it blatantly obvious' route.

You mean like "Biedermann and the firebugs?"




it's the same reverse psychology used by terminator on john connor.
now lets ponder:
Was she ever lie?
do you feel it's suspicious for her to insist being ashore during cerberus mission,
she even emphasize to Shepard what would happen if she didn't came along (vented out, crit mission failure)

do you feel a bit "eh" when she really took her time unlocking a door just to give Shepard time watching some "vids you might find interesting", one of shepard's reconstruction project, her origin, and then, Illusive man fate. Partial information and convenient enlightement smells like a hidden agenda to me, or perhaps just childish curiosity like when a kid revealing a parrent of her vandalism with a ta-dah.

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estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

So it's "you are stupid, no you are, no i am not you are" time?


Pretty much. I'm going to ignore HH now, because someone who refuses to accept even the possibility of Bioware not being terrible writers can't possibly hope to understand what IT is, and that's not even getting to whether it could be valid or not.

Yeah, and you refuse the possibility of BioWare not being great and deep writers.


I don't understand all of this, if you don't think that and you didn't like the ending just move on
If you did like the ending go play the ****ing game
You(all) can argue all you want, BW has already decided, we have just to wait and see

Modifié par archangel1996, 05 décembre 2012 - 05:07 .


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CoolioThane

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estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

So it's "you are stupid, no you are, no i am not you are" time?


Pretty much. I'm going to ignore HH now, because someone who refuses to accept even the possibility of Bioware not being terrible writers can't possibly hope to understand what IT is, and that's not even getting to whether it could be valid or not.

Yeah, and you refuse the possibility of BioWare not being great and deep writers.


They are great writers 

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CoolioThane wrote...

They are great writers 


....

#59544
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estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

So it's "you are stupid, no you are, no i am not you are" time?


Pretty much. I'm going to ignore HH now, because someone who refuses to accept even the possibility of Bioware not being terrible writers can't possibly hope to understand what IT is, and that's not even getting to whether it could be valid or not.

Yeah, and you refuse the possibility of BioWare not being great and deep writers.


It always comes down to this with literalists.  They ignore the encyclopedia of clues that led us to this conclusion and then just go, "derp y u u no tink dey bad riters?"

Because we PAID ATTENTION, that's why.  Try it sometime.

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I'm kinda on the fence for both sides

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BleedingUranium wrote...
If we don't get a proper reveal, then I bet that's pretty much what we'll have.


And I'm OK with that.  /Garrus

The dream top never wobbled at all. It was always CGI-perfect.


Plenty of speculation for everyone!!!!  :D

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CoolioThane wrote...
They are great writers 

I'm inclined to agree since ME3 is the only game of their's were I found the writing to be shaky in places.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 05 décembre 2012 - 05:12 .


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AresKeith wrote...

I'm kinda on the fence for both sides

They just don't realize that there is no black and white atm ...

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TheProtheans

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RavenEyry wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...
They are great writers 

I'm inclined to agree since ME3 is the only game of their's were I found the writing to be shaky in places.


Doesn't the writing reflect on the entire trilogy.
If you can't end a story and nothing really makes sense, doesn't that mean you did a bad job overall.

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ElSuperGecko

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hukbum wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
I'm kinda on the fence for both sides

They just don't realize that there is no black and white atm ...


True dat.  Bioware left us with fifty shades of grey.

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