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[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

They might've decided on the big picture months ago. But the details are still in liquid state.

I tell you more - they have decided on the big picture YEARS ago.  It was the first thing they did actually. 

A very big picture, yes.

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

That and he cheats on you as soon as you turn your back.

There is actually a great lesson there for you about trust and life in general. 

Modifié par demersel, 05 décembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Except that it isn't just a few. The entire game is rigged with ambiguous dialogue about Shepard not being dead, it all being an illusion, the war not being over, it all being a lie, the Reapers still being around.

You don't have to believe me, but I guarantee you, once you know how it all plays out, and you replay ME3, you'll notice all these things as 'obvious foreshadowing' and you will go "how did I never notice this?".

Granted, it's all very subtle, but there is too damn much of it in the game in order for it to be all coincidental. And then I'm just talking about the dialogue. Not even the mountain of other IT clues.

"There is no coincidence, only inevitability." -Yuko Ichihara from xxxholic.

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

That and he cheats on you as soon as you turn your back.

There is actually a great lesson there to you about trust and life in general. 

I already knew that lesson.  Haven't you seen me proudly declare my misanthropy?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
Kind of. Non-ITers generally fall into two camps:

Those who failed to understand the themes and morals of the series, as well as subtleties like symbolism and metaphor. This is not difficult stuff, I have no respect for these people.

Those who don't think Bioware is good enough to create IT, and/or don't think they'll follow through with it. They're wrong, but I can respect their beliefs.

SORRY REVAN! That's not at all how I meant that!

After reading more, i get why you put it. Seems like I missed a skirmish on this place.

[ElSuperGecko]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Stop kidding yourself. BioWare said time and time again that the endings are done now. They're finished. It's over. They won't be changed anymore.

Stop kidding yourself.  Just because Bioware have said that the endings are done doesn't mean that they can't change player's perception of them by adding additional context for the final decision via DLC.

After all, that's exactly what they did with Leviathan...

[RavenEyry]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

After reading more, i get why you put it. Seems like I missed a skirmish on this place.

Everyone turned into bickering children for a couple of pages. It thankfully appears to have stopped.

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

I already knew that lesson.  Haven't you seen me proudly declare my misanthropy?

Then you should absolutely adore Jacob as a character, since he proves right your way of viewing the world. 

[BleedingUranium]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
Kind of. Non-ITers generally fall into two camps:

Those who failed to understand the themes and morals of the series, as well as subtleties like symbolism and metaphor. This is not difficult stuff, I have no respect for these people.

Those who don't think Bioware is good enough to create IT, and/or don't think they'll follow through with it. They're wrong, but I can respect their beliefs.

SORRY REVAN! That's not at all how I meant that!

After reading more, i get why you put it. Seems like I missed a skirmish on this place.

You did, and I would've made the point clearer if you'd been here.

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice - actually it isn't sublte at all. They blatantly throw it all in your face any chance they get.

[tangythang]

RavenEyry wrote...

demersel wrote...

Actually, i would like to point out the fact that even if literal the endings are good writing. (EC is lazy writing though if literal, but still not bad).

I suppose for what they are they're allright. It's just what they are is ridiculous and out of place and abandoning the themes. When watching them in a vacuum only synthesis is badly written.

Pity we can't watch them in a vacuum so they become bad writing by virtue of existing.

Hi raven, sorry when you say vacuum I immediately remembered the final scene again.

Does anybody ever analyze the ending where shepard stand in open space without helmet, 
using citadel's codex?

turns out that citadel's gravity are maintained by its centrifugal force, meaning if its arms opens up, it will lose its artificial gravity.

and the atmosphere was only 7 meter's tall, the skyscraper seen on it are made vacuum sealed to compensate.
about the breathable condition in the wards we seen, that place is an enclosed space with fake clouds remember.

and the central ring is 7 kilometer in diameter. does it look like 7 kilometer ring in the final scene?

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Citadel

[The Heretic of Time]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Stop kidding yourself. BioWare said time and time again that the endings are done now. They're finished. It's over. They won't be changed anymore.

Stop kidding yourself.  Just because Bioware have said that the endings are done doesn't mean that they can't change player's perception of them by adding additional context for the final decision via DLC.

After all, that's exactly what they did with Leviathan...

And I quote:

It really does seem like we might be getting a proper ending...

Seems to me you're expecting more than just adding additional context to the final decision. You're expecting a whole new, extra or extended ending. That's not gonna happen.

[tangythang]

it's really hard to start a discussion..

[ean0611]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Stop kidding yourself. BioWare said time and time again that the endings are done now. They're finished. It's over. They won't be changed anymore.

Stop kidding yourself.  Just because Bioware have said that the endings are done doesn't mean that they can't change player's perception of them by adding additional context for the final decision via DLC.

After all, that's exactly what they did with Leviathan...

Bioware said there would be no new endings prior to EC.

EC came out, and there was now a refuse ending. 

Bioware has many writers. None of them have talked about what is going on. None of them have shed light into plot developments. When asked directly, they do not answer. Why would this be? Artists LOVE to talk about their work. I don't buy that they really want to just say "look" and not talk about what they thought. 

The logical outcome is that they are not done telling the story yet. Look at this thread, 2000+ pages, and this is the third thread on IT. They will get their reveal.

Every Bioware game has a reveal. ME3 does not have one yet. It will come.

[spotlessvoid]

Again, all DLC is canon. What your Shepard does in those DLCs is what's not canon.

[Rifneno]

tangythang wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

demersel wrote...

Actually, i would like to point out the fact that even if literal the endings are good writing. (EC is lazy writing though if literal, but still not bad).

I suppose for what they are they're allright. It's just what they are is ridiculous and out of place and abandoning the themes. When watching them in a vacuum only synthesis is badly written.

Pity we can't watch them in a vacuum so they become bad writing by virtue of existing.

Hi raven, sorry when you say vacuum I immediately remembered the final scene again.

Does anybody ever analyze the ending where shepard stand in open space without helmet, 
using citadel's codex?

turns out that citadel's gravity are maintained by its centrifugal force, meaning if its arms opens up, it will lose its artificial gravity.

and the atmosphere was only 7 meter's tall, the skyscraper seen on it are made vacuum sealed to compensate.
about the breathable condition in the wards we seen, that place is an enclosed space with fake clouds remember.

and the central ring is 7 kilometer in diameter. does it look like 7 kilometer ring in the final scene?

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Citadel

I haven't seen it brought up recently, but I know it was discussed a good bit in Mk I.  Basically ITers say "Yes, exactly!", and literalists say "lol bad riteing".  Par for the course. 

[Restrider]

hukbum wrote...

@smokingotter1: Sorry, but your post are doomed to get lost between "Kindergarden Mark II" ...

Yes, I agree. This constant bickering about menial things gets annoying. I do not really get why people engage a discussion where it is obvious that no one will change their mind? This only trashes this thread and is the main reason that interesting, new stuff gets swepted away.
I have to invoke spotlessvoid's spot-on characterization of some people...

[demersel]

tangythang wrote...

it's really hard to start a discussion..

It doesn't seem like 7 km in diameter, cause you're not stanting on the ring - you are stanting on the bottom of the base of the tower. 

[dreamgazer]

ean0611 wrote...

Every Bioware game has a reveal. ME3 does not have one yet. It will come.

You can argue that the Citadel being the Catalyst and TIM falling to indoctrination are not one, but two reveals. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Except that it isn't just a few. The entire game is rigged with ambiguous dialogue about Shepard not being dead, it all being an illusion, the war not being over, it all being a lie, the Reapers still being around.

You don't have to believe me, but I guarantee you, once you know how it all plays out, and you replay ME3, you'll notice all these things as 'obvious foreshadowing' and you will go "how did I never notice this?".

Granted, it's all very subtle, but there is too damn much of it in the game in order for it to be all coincidental. And then I'm just talking about the dialogue. Not even the mountain of other IT clues.

Just for an example, the word "nightmare" is used repeatedly over the cause of ME3. Most of the times it is in reference to Reapers or their forces.

3 examples include:

Garrus on the Banshees at the monastery: "The Reapers are a nightmare production facility which never ends" (or something to that effect)

EDI on Thessia when the Reaper passes above: "I am starting to comprehend what the word nightmare means to Organics" (again might not be exact quote) Best part is Shepard follows this by saying, "we get to the temple and we can all wake up." Bonus points for having Javik with you instead of EDI (EDI's line is then spoken in a slightly different way by Liara) though as he remarks with, "50.000 years later" in reponse to Shepard's line.

Nyreen refers to the Adjutants as "Nightmares."

And there are several more.

[paxxton]

It's out of character for the squaddies to not comment on the outcome of the Battle for Omega. If the DLC was to incorporate into the main game, it failed in this regard. Also, I anticipated that we would meet Aria in Purgatory (the prison, I mean, jk) and only then arrange a war meeting (btw, why was it held in a cab? lol).

Modifié par paxxton, 05 décembre 2012 - 05:41 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

So this super duper dlc is separate from the Citadel dlc right?

[The Heretic of Time]

ean0611 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Stop kidding yourself. BioWare said time and time again that the endings are done now. They're finished. It's over. They won't be changed anymore.

Stop kidding yourself.  Just because Bioware have said that the endings are done doesn't mean that they can't change player's perception of them by adding additional context for the final decision via DLC.

After all, that's exactly what they did with Leviathan...

Bioware said there would be no new endings prior to EC.

EC came out, and there was now a refuse ending. 

Bioware has many writers. None of them have talked about what is going on. None of them have shed light into plot developments. When asked directly, they do not answer. Why would this be? Artists LOVE to talk about their work. I don't buy that they really want to just say "look" and not talk about what they thought. 

The logical outcome is that they are not done telling the story yet. Look at this thread, 2000+ pages, and this is the third thread on IT. They will get their reveal.

Every Bioware game has a reveal. ME3 does not have one yet. It will come.

NDA. Writers aren't allowed to talk too much about ME3 and it's development until the end of the DLC cycle. This isn't irregular. This is common business for most video-games. Just sayin'.

[hukbum]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Again, all DLC is canon. What your Shepard does in those DLCs is what's not canon.

Please ... not this stuff again ...

Modifié par hukbum, 05 décembre 2012 - 05:41 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

dreamgazer wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

Every Bioware game has a reveal. ME3 does not have one yet. It will come.

You can argue that the Citadel being the Catalyst and TIM falling to indoctrination are not one, but two reveals. 

Was anyone expecting TIM not to fall? I saw that coming from ME2.