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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So this super duper dlc is separate from the Citadel dlc right?


It looks like there are two DLCs being kicked around, yes. Who knows whether that's accurate or not. 

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Just for an example, the word "nightmare" is used repeatedly over the cause of ME3. Most of the times it is in reference to Reapers or their forces. 

3 examples include:

Garrus on the Banshees at the monastery: "The Reapers are a nightmare production facility which never ends" (or something to that effect)

EDI on Thessia when the Reaper passes above: "I am starting to comprehend what the word nightmare means to Organics" (again might not be exact quote) Best part is Shepard follows this by saying, "we get to the temple and we can all wake up." Bonus points for having Javik with you instead of EDI (EDI's line is then spoken in a slightly different way by Liara) though as he remarks with, "50.000 years later" in reponse to Shepard's line.

Nyreen refers to the Adjutants as "Nightmares."

And there are several more.


Just for funsies, let's run an automated count of the word "nightmare" in the game's tlk file.

...  21 matches.

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tangythang wrote...
Hi raven, sorry when you say vacuum I immediately remembered the final scene again.

Does anybody ever analyze the ending where shepard stand in open space without helmet, 
using citadel's codex?

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Citadel


We certainly did.

EDI:  "Moral decisions should not be made in a vacuum - if I do not ask the crew for their opinion, I may miss valuable context"

What's happening here?  Oh look - Shepard's making a moral decision.  While standing in what appears to be open space.  And none of Shepard's crew are around to offer advice...

;)

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And why wouldn't Bioware take their time to create a spectacular reveal at this point? They placated the fans with the EC, so there's no rush now. Save it for the final dlc where it belongs anyways.

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But everyone knew TIM was indoctrinated, right?

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

Every Bioware game has a reveal. ME3 does not have one yet. It will come.


You can argue that the Citadel being the Catalyst and TIM falling to indoctrination are not one, but two reveals. 


Was anyone expecting TIM not to fall? I saw that coming from ME2.


You could say, from that perspective, that it's proper foreshadowing for the reveal.

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Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Just for an example, the word "nightmare" is used repeatedly over the cause of ME3. Most of the times it is in reference to Reapers or their forces. 

3 examples include:

Garrus on the Banshees at the monastery: "The Reapers are a nightmare production facility which never ends" (or something to that effect)

EDI on Thessia when the Reaper passes above: "I am starting to comprehend what the word nightmare means to Organics" (again might not be exact quote) Best part is Shepard follows this by saying, "we get to the temple and we can all wake up." Bonus points for having Javik with you instead of EDI (EDI's line is then spoken in a slightly different way by Liara) though as he remarks with, "50.000 years later" in reponse to Shepard's line.

Nyreen refers to the Adjutants as "Nightmares."

And there are several more.


Just for funsies, let's run an automated count of the word "nightmare" in the game's tlk file.

...  21 matches.


Seriusly? Someone hand Bioware a dictionary, it seems they need it for varieties sake :lol:

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So this super duper dlc is separate from the Citadel dlc right?


I hate to spell it out for you, but there might not be any Citadel DLC at ALL. Those files in the leviathan DLC, titled citadel - they could just be the new levels layouts for the existing citadel levels - dock, presidium commons and purgatory - to add the rapid transit system in. they may had to include the complete levels with this thing added - to replace the existing ones. 

There were 3 citadel files
There are three levels on the citadel that include the rapid transit system now - normandy dock, presidium commons, and purgatory. 

Modifié par demersel, 05 décembre 2012 - 05:45 .


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demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

That and he cheats on you as soon as you turn your back.


There is actually a great lesson there for you about trust and life in general. 


Or that Jacobs new Character writer screwed up, same with Thane

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CoolioThane wrote...

But everyone knew TIM was indoctrinated, right?

Really??? :blink:

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spotlessvoid wrote...

And why wouldn't Bioware take their time to create a spectacular reveal at this point? They placated the fans with the EC, so there's no rush now. Save it for the final dlc where it belongs anyways.


Because they calmed-down the hype and/or sh*tstorm with the EC. The whole controversy around ME3 has died out. People have moved on.

Revealing a "spectacular" plot-twist now would make as much sense as a band playing a concert, then waiting for a couple of hours until they finally play their encore, while half of the audience already left the building...

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hukbum wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

But everyone knew TIM was indoctrinated, right?

Really??? :blink:


I thought it was obvious. Like...clear as day :unsure:

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Just for an example, the word "nightmare" is used repeatedly over the cause of ME3. Most of the times it is in reference to Reapers or their forces. 

3 examples include:

Garrus on the Banshees at the monastery: "The Reapers are a nightmare production facility which never ends" (or something to that effect)

EDI on Thessia when the Reaper passes above: "I am starting to comprehend what the word nightmare means to Organics" (again might not be exact quote) Best part is Shepard follows this by saying, "we get to the temple and we can all wake up." Bonus points for having Javik with you instead of EDI (EDI's line is then spoken in a slightly different way by Liara) though as he remarks with, "50.000 years later" in reponse to Shepard's line.

Nyreen refers to the Adjutants as "Nightmares."

And there are several more.


Just for funsies, let's run an automated count of the word "nightmare" in the game's tlk file.

...  21 matches.


Seriusly? Someone hand Bioware a dictionary, it seems they need it for varieties sake :lol:


Seriously.  And that's just vanilla, no DLC.  Even From Ashes.

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demersel wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So this super duper dlc is separate from the Citadel dlc right?


I hate to spell it out for you, but there might not be any Citadel DLC at ALL. Those files in the leviathan DLC, titled citadel - they could just be the new levels layouts for the existing citadel levels - dock, presidium commons and purgatory - to add the rapid transit system in. they may had to include the complete levels with this thing added - to replace the existing ones. 

In that case no new filenames would be needed. Just replace the existing ones.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

And why wouldn't Bioware take their time to create a spectacular reveal at this point? They placated the fans with the EC, so there's no rush now. Save it for the final dlc where it belongs anyways.


Because they calmed-down the hype and/or sh*tstorm with the EC. The whole controversy around ME3 has died out. People have moved on.

Revealing a "spectacular" plot-twist now would make as much sense as a band playing a concert, then waiting for a couple of hours until they finally play their encore, while half of the audience already left the building...


Not quite. You can say the same about any DLC for any game.

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AresKeith wrote...

Or that Jacobs new Character writer screwed up, same with Thane


How do you even know jacob was written by another guy? That is pure assumption. 

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Restrider wrote...

hukbum wrote...

@smokingotter1: Sorry, but your post are doomed to get lost between "Kindergarden Mark II" ...

Yes, I agree. This constant bickering about menial things gets annoying. I do not really get why people engage a discussion where it is obvious that no one will change their mind? This only trashes this thread and is the main reason that interesting, new stuff gets swepted away.
I have to invoke spotlessvoid's spot-on characterization of some people...


this one thought smokingotter1 was the one presenting interesting new stuff that gets swept away by hukbum.
this one asked otter to post a picture because this one is unworthy



tangythang wrote...

Because you know, who else you know in the ME universe have a penchant for model ship. Ventboy's model ship is alliance fighter, Shepard can buy it at kassa fabrication store.

Another person I know is, femshepard and ofcourse there's another one:sunflower girl (also alliance fighter model ship):D



minor detail that that may be irrelevant:
I found this in The Art of Mass Effect Universe,http://social.bioware.com/include/fckeditor/editor/i.imgur.com/mocqf.jpg
if you take a look closer:
http://social.biowar...r.com/XlUYM.jpg

also, may be irrelevant:
Ventboy have blue eyes, same like default male shepard.
Sunflowergirl have eyes that were green-ish, not exactly same but femshep' eyes were green.

Why if you play as femshep the ventboy is still a boy, because otherwise its too damn obvious.

What do you think?

otter assist in posting the picture.

what do you think of it, I found it interesting.

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paxxton wrote...
In that case no new filenames would be needed. Just replace the existing ones.


Are you sure they are new? did somebody compare them to alredy existing citadel levels, or all they did was to look what was in the download file, and notice that some files were named citadel instead of leviathan? 

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

And why wouldn't Bioware take their time to create a spectacular reveal at this point? They placated the fans with the EC, so there's no rush now. Save it for the final dlc where it belongs anyways.


Because they calmed-down the hype and/or sh*tstorm with the EC. The whole controversy around ME3 has died out. People have moved on.

Revealing a "spectacular" plot-twist now would make as much sense as a band playing a concert, then waiting for a couple of hours until they finally play their encore, while half of the audience already left the building...


Did you move on? It doesn't seem

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Miranda was also scarcely featured in ME3. As were most of the ME2 epic squadmates.

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CoolioThane wrote...

hukbum wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

But everyone knew TIM was indoctrinated, right?

Really??? :blink:


I thought it was obvious. Like...clear as day :unsure:

Don't worry, I'll not tell anyone. Something so well hidden needs to be kept a secrect :ph34r:

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What a terrible analogy. You can play Mass Effect from home, so nobody is "gone"

And why is it bad? They'd be back in the spotlight, having delivered on what is one of the greatest plot twists ever, driving trilogy pack and dlc sales back up.

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hukbum wrote...

Oh look ... another one who needs a "I'm right you're wrong. HAHA"-dingdong increase ...

Okay, this thread has reached a critical mass of trolls.

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"What could the new Mass Effect 3 DLC possibly be? Probably just 8 hours of @SamHulick playing one note on a piano" - Manveer Heir
(this time it's actually about ME3! :P )

Is he implying that the new DLC will be 8 hours long? That's not Awakening-style...

Edit: Top, I win

Modifié par Norlond, 05 décembre 2012 - 05:50 .


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I've noticed Hanar's analogies tend to be crap most of the time. Meh