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BleedingUranium wrote...

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Right Hanar, because the guy repeatedly exposed to Reaper tech doesn't make sense getting indoctrinated.


The problem lies in the fact that TIM became a careless ****** who got himself indoctrinated, while he was always careful and taking the necessary precautions in the previous game and books.

It's not the fact that  TIM gets indoctrinated, it's how  he gets indoctrinated.


Getting indoctrinated is what made him into TIM. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.



Seems someone needs to re-read Mass Effect Evolution.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Right Hanar, because the guy repeatedly exposed to Reaper tech doesn't make sense getting indoctrinated.


The problem lies in the fact that TIM became a careless ****** who got himself indoctrinated, while he was always careful and taking the necessary precautions in the previous game and books.

It's not the fact that  TIM gets indoctrinated, it's how  he gets indoctrinated.


Getting indoctrinated is what made him into TIM. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.



Seems someone needs to re-read Mass Effect Evolution.


Yes, you do.

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One, wouldn't TIM keep a low profile as long as possible? Why is it that hard to believe that Cerberus was vastly underestimated in ME1? Why is it that hard to believe TIM set things in another gear altogether upon learning of Shepard's findings in ME1? I don't really have a problem with TIM/Cerberus story arc, just how often we fight Cerberus troops

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Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Right Hanar, because the guy repeatedly exposed to Reaper tech doesn't make sense getting indoctrinated.


The problem lies in the fact that TIM became a careless ****** who got himself indoctrinated, while he was always careful and taking the necessary precautions in the previous game and books.

It's not the fact that  TIM gets indoctrinated, it's how  he gets indoctrinated.


Getting indoctrinated is what made him into TIM. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.



Seems someone needs to re-read Mass Effect Evolution.


Yes, you do.


Seems one more person needs to re-reas Masss Effect Evolution. That's 2. More ignorant people here who need to re-read Mass Effect Evolution? Am I the only person here who remembers that comic properly?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

One, wouldn't TIM keep a low profile as long as possible? Why is it that hard to believe that Cerberus was vastly underestimated in ME1? Why is it that hard to believe TIM set things in another gear altogether upon learning of Shepard's findings in ME1? I don't really have a problem with TIM/Cerberus story arc, just how often we fight Cerberus troops

Cerberus is an Alliance unit that went rogue. Did you know that?

Modifié par paxxton, 05 décembre 2012 - 06:19 .


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paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

One, wouldn't TIM keep a low profile as long as possible? Why is it that hard to believe that Cerberus was vastly underestimated in ME1? Why is it that hard to believe TIM set things in another gear altogether upon learning of Shepard's findings in ME1? I don't really have a problem with TIM/Cerberus story arc, just how often we fight Cerberus troops

Cerberus is an Alliance unit that went rogue. Did you know that?


Cerberus is a lot of things, all under one flag, as it were.

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paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

One, wouldn't TIM keep a low profile as long as possible? Why is it that hard to believe that Cerberus was vastly underestimated in ME1? Why is it that hard to believe TIM set things in another gear altogether upon learning of Shepard's findings in ME1? I don't really have a problem with TIM/Cerberus story arc, just how often we fight Cerberus troops

Cerberus is an Alliance unit that went rogue. Did you know that?


I vaguely remember hearing that now that you mention it. But what does that have to do with them underestimating Cerberus as only some small splinter group?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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it's really hard to start a discussion..

I'll try to point something out:
If we assume that the rotation is still intact, opening the Wards like a flower would inflict those poor bastards at the farest point of the Wards in respect to the Presidium with a centripetal force of about 4g. You can survive that, but it is really not that comfortable.
You could explain the gravity in the decision chamber with some kind of mass effect and the atmosphere with kinetic barriers (not that I'd do that).
But you cannot explain the breath scene.

Whatever you calculated there you can see the tower and bridge are still standing. If shields would have failed they would have been just flicked away.
Thus you can explain the breath scene.

Quantum shields shield the superstructure not a poor bastard at ground zero...

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i think it's safe to assume that TIM is getting support from high ranking personnel within the Alliance Military.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Right Hanar, because the guy repeatedly exposed to Reaper tech doesn't make sense getting indoctrinated.


The problem lies in the fact that TIM became a careless ****** who got himself indoctrinated, while he was always careful and taking the necessary precautions in the previous game and books.

It's not the fact that  TIM gets indoctrinated, it's how  he gets indoctrinated.


Getting indoctrinated is what made him into TIM. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.



Seems someone needs to re-read Mass Effect Evolution.


Yes, you do.


Seems one more person needs to re-reas Masss Effect Evolution. That's 2. More ignorant people here who need to re-read Mass Effect Evolution? Am I the only person here who remembers that comic properly?

They can't even remember it properly in other cases and say Saren had indirect contact in the same way TIM had indirect contact.

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Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

tangythang wrote...

it's really hard to start a discussion..

I'll try to point something out:
If we assume that the rotation is still intact, opening the Wards like a flower would inflict those poor bastards at the farest point of the Wards in respect to the Presidium with a centripetal force of about 4g. You can survive that, but it is really not that comfortable.
You could explain the gravity in the decision chamber with some kind of mass effect and the atmosphere with kinetic barriers (not that I'd do that).
But you cannot explain the breath scene.

Whatever you calculated there you can see the tower and bridge are still standing. If shields would have failed they would have been just flicked away.
Thus you can explain the breath scene.

Quantum shields shield the superstructure not a poor bastard at ground zero...


Also, quantum shielding is not shielding like kinetic barriers, it does not "hover" over the object, it is the object.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

One, wouldn't TIM keep a low profile as long as possible? Why is it that hard to believe that Cerberus was vastly underestimated in ME1? Why is it that hard to believe TIM set things in another gear altogether upon learning of Shepard's findings in ME1? I don't really have a problem with TIM/Cerberus story arc, just how often we fight Cerberus troops

Cerberus is an Alliance unit that went rogue. Did you know that?


Cerberus is a lot of things, all under one flag, as it were.


Yeah, they wear a lot of hats.  Feeding innocent people to thresher maws, torturing children, turning colonies into husks, going all jihad on the Migrant Fleet... can you believe those panderers at BioWare turned such a noble group evil?  Makes me sick.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

One, wouldn't TIM keep a low profile as long as possible? Why is it that hard to believe that Cerberus was vastly underestimated in ME1? Why is it that hard to believe TIM set things in another gear altogether upon learning of Shepard's findings in ME1? I don't really have a problem with TIM/Cerberus story arc, just how often we fight Cerberus troops


I do have a problem with the TIM/Cerberus arc. I liked TIM when he was still someone with a pro-human agenda while trying to give humanity an edge over the other aliens and eventually over the reapers. He knew the reapers were coming, long before anyone else. He was trying to find a way to protect humanity against the upcoming reaper thread. Mass Effect Evolution made this perfectly clear.

TIM was not a saint and I would be the last person to deny that. But at least he wasn't the moustache-twirling saturday-morning cartoon villian ME3 made him out to be.

And indead, the Cerberus Sith Empire in ME3 is just plain ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that Cerberus slaps their logo on every f*cking piece of armor, weapon or vehicle. So much for a "black ops splinter organisation". Though this was something that already bothered me in ME2. I guess the Mass Effect writers think their fans are retarded. They think that without the Cerberus logo on everything that we can't understand that those troops shooting at us are Cerberus troops. It's almost as if the folks who wrote Cerberus in ME3 were trying to write a cartoon for 5 years old kids.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 05 décembre 2012 - 06:25 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

One, wouldn't TIM keep a low profile as long as possible? Why is it that hard to believe that Cerberus was vastly underestimated in ME1? Why is it that hard to believe TIM set things in another gear altogether upon learning of Shepard's findings in ME1? I don't really have a problem with TIM/Cerberus story arc, just how often we fight Cerberus troops

Cerberus is an Alliance unit that went rogue. Did you know that?


I vaguely remember hearing that now that you mention it. But what does that have to do with them underestimating Cerberus as only some small splinter group?

It was underestimated because they thought they knew what they were dealing with.

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Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

tangythang wrote...

it's really hard to start a discussion..

I'll try to point something out:
If we assume that the rotation is still intact, opening the Wards like a flower would inflict those poor bastards at the farest point of the Wards in respect to the Presidium with a centripetal force of about 4g. You can survive that, but it is really not that comfortable.
You could explain the gravity in the decision chamber with some kind of mass effect and the atmosphere with kinetic barriers (not that I'd do that).
But you cannot explain the breath scene.

Whatever you calculated there you can see the tower and bridge are still standing. If shields would have failed they would have been just flicked away.
Thus you can explain the breath scene.

Quantum shields shield the superstructure not a poor bastard at ground zero...

Which you cannot prove. Same as you cannot prove Shep is in London/on Earth for the scene.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 05 décembre 2012 - 06:26 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

They can't even remember it properly in other cases and say Saren had indirect contact in the same way TIM had indirect contact.


Yes, "they". Stop being so condescending. That was actually just me, as I haven't read the comic.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 05 décembre 2012 - 06:26 .


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dorktainian wrote...

i think it's safe to assume that TIM is getting support from high ranking personnel within the Alliance Military.

Hackett is the head of Cerberus, as the story goes.

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Seems one more person needs to re-reas Masss Effect Evolution. That's 2. More ignorant people here who need to re-read Mass Effect Evolution? Am I the only person here who remembers that comic properly?


I remember bits and pieces, but memory is kind of like that. If you read an entire book yesterday, the information you remember is quite clear. However, if you read something such as Mass Effect Revelation 4 months ago, well, I remember bits and pieces, but not the whole thing.

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paxxton wrote...

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@Paxxton that's what I wanna know

Which post are you referring to? The one about the geth prime in London? What do you want to know about it?


When I was talking about Jacob and Thanes character writers

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BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

They can't even remember it properly in other cases and say Saren had indirect contact in the same way TIM had indirect contact.


Yes, "they". Stop being so condescending. That was actually just me, as I haven't read the comic.

Nope, that one bit was said multiple times not just by you, esp in Mark 1

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paxxton wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

i think it's safe to assume that TIM is getting support from high ranking personnel within the Alliance Military.

Hackett is the head of Cerberus, as the story goes.


Who told you that? :blink:


That would be quite awesome if it was true. Sadly, it isn't.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

tangythang wrote...

it's really hard to start a discussion..

I'll try to point something out:
If we assume that the rotation is still intact, opening the Wards like a flower would inflict those poor bastards at the farest point of the Wards in respect to the Presidium with a centripetal force of about 4g. You can survive that, but it is really not that comfortable.
You could explain the gravity in the decision chamber with some kind of mass effect and the atmosphere with kinetic barriers (not that I'd do that).
But you cannot explain the breath scene.

Whatever you calculated there you can see the tower and bridge are still standing. If shields would have failed they would have been just flicked away.
Thus you can explain the breath scene.

Quantum shields shield the superstructure not a poor bastard at ground zero...

Which you cannot prove. Same as you cannot prove Shep is in London/on Earth for the scene.

Wrong:
"The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel
is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them
nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the
subatomic level"

---B-b-b-b-ut you cannot know...

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Otter, you mean the model ships, or did I miss something?

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Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

tangythang wrote...

it's really hard to start a discussion..

I'll try to point something out:
If we assume that the rotation is still intact, opening the Wards like a flower would inflict those poor bastards at the farest point of the Wards in respect to the Presidium with a centripetal force of about 4g. You can survive that, but it is really not that comfortable.
You could explain the gravity in the decision chamber with some kind of mass effect and the atmosphere with kinetic barriers (not that I'd do that).
But you cannot explain the breath scene.

Whatever you calculated there you can see the tower and bridge are still standing. If shields would have failed they would have been just flicked away.
Thus you can explain the breath scene.

Quantum shields shield the superstructure not a poor bastard at ground zero...

Which you cannot prove. Same as you cannot prove Shep is in London/on Earth for the scene.

Wrong:
"The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel
is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them
nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the
subatomic level"

---B-b-b-b-ut you cannot know...


LOL.