tangythang wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
it seems that after so many posts you still don't get it.
Honestly, how many times do I have to repeat myself? INDOCTRINATION IS A COP-OUT! It's not awesome. It's not the best part of ME3. It could have been, but it isn't. It's used as a incredibly weak plot-device to turn morally ambiguous and partly-evil characters to fully-evil, giving Shepard a free licence to kill.
Have you never noticed that ONLY characters that the majority of the fanbase didn't like or expected to be evil are indoctrinated in ME3? How is that not a cop-out?
Also, whenever there is conflict in ME3, it always burns down to "lol he's indoctrinated". How is that not incredibly lazy, shallow and predictiable writing? Is BioWare to stupid to come up with actual motives for their characters, are their just too lazy to come up with actual motives for their characters or do they truly this this "lol indoctrinated" cop-out is good writing?
And why is it that we never ever see one of the goodguys becoming indoctrinated? Are goodguys magically shielded against indoctrination or something?
Indoctrination could have been awesome. it would have been awesome if our LI turned out to be indoctrinated, forcing our Shepard to kill his own LI in order to save his crew and the galaxy. THAT would truly show us how powerful and dangerous indoctrination is. But no, that never happens. Instead indoctrination is only used as a weak, cheap and shallow cop-out to turn the morally ambiguous characters or factions into reaper pawns so we have a reason to kill them off. It's f*cking lame, but you just don't wanna see that. You just don't want to see it.
I always thought what Shepard did to everybody in the galaxy is a form of indoctrination itself.
As to why the good guy arround Shepard is immune to reaper's indoc is due to them being already indoctrinated by shepard. Anderson told shep that people believe Shepard, his squad would even follow him/her to a suicide mission how is that not indoctrinated. He blew 300.000 batarians and walks away scot free and still everybody believe it was the right decision. Hell, either quarians or geth could be extinct based on their beliefs to shepard.
So now you're saying that having faith in someone or something makes you immume to indoctrination? That doesn't make any sense. I'm sure other characters like TIM had faith in someone or something too.
I respect your reply though. At least you seem to get the point I tried to make and at least you honestly tried to reply to it.
What all that makes shepard to reapers? Saren tried to deliver reapers to the heart of the galactic civilization, Shepard could bring entire galactic civilization to them, hence the attempt of indoctrination.
That's the reason they attacked earth, specifically london, as it was Anderson's home, one person Shepard would listen to, posibly a father figure to him (all 3 background, shep doesn't have a father).
So instead of doing the logical thing, which is capturing the Citadel and shutting down the relays to prevent Shepard to unite the galaxy,
you know, what they used to do in the past and always succesfully did, they instead desperately try to indoctrinate Shepard?
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And if they intended an ending that was open to interpretation and headcanon-ing, then IT is a perfectly valid way to look at the endings. Remember Chris's post?
