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paxxton wrote...

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Lurking around to get top, huh?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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BleedingUranium wrote...

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You fail to realize that you lack a point. You saying you opinion; you think indoctrination is lame. That's great. I won't stop you, but it's not an argument at all.

See you all later.

His point was indoctrination made interesting antagonists into lame servants of evil.

Or interesting protagonists into tragic servants of evil.... 

Which doesn't happen.

It does in my interpretation of the endings....   And if they intended an ending that was open to interpretation and headcanon-ing, then IT is a perfectly valid way to look at the endings.  Remember Chris's post?

And I still said they ruined it with the EC. That part was perfectly fine before.

Only you see it like that.

Also, not only did Chris say that it's a valid interpretation, but I believe Mike Gamble did as well in a tweet.  I won't go digging for it, but I KNOW he said it was valid.

Yes, and I would agree, as I see it from the vanilla game that it was their intention. But they made a mistake.

Why do you think that?  Do you really think they would compromise their artistic vision?  If they really want IT, then the EC doesn't matter.  It was designed to make sure that there would be enough people interested in ME3 for there to BE a reveal.

[BleedingUranium]

Not having any close allies become indoctrinated causes the player to never consider the possibility, thus making the indoctrination of the player at the end work that much better.

[CoolioThane]

This thread is the best. Most well-known thread on BSN. Kept alive by mods.


People who dislike IT told to stay away but continue to derail discussion

[umadcommander]

kill that pyramid

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Not having any close allies become indoctrinated causes the player to never consider the possibility, thus making the indoctrination of the player at the end work that much better.

Huh, never really thought of that.  Also, the lack of indoctrinated good guys might be because, I don't know, they don't spend all day frakking around with Reaper tech like it was kevlar (Shout-out to Crysis 2, and shout-out to Ray of Rooster Teeth).  But that couldn't possibly have anything to do with it

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Only you see it like that.

Yeah, only me and a lot of other people... they just did that a lot sooner after the release of the EC.

...and?

It's not only me, your statement was wrong. I corrected it for you.

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Not having any close allies become indoctrinated causes the player to never consider the possibility, thus making the indoctrination of the player at the end work that much better.

That makes zero sence.

If close allies would become indoctrinated then I'd actually take indoctrination serious. It would show us how powerful and real indoctrination really is. Right now I don't give a crap about indoctrination because it's only used as a cop-out plot device to turn interesting characters into shallow 2-dimensional cardboard-cutouts.

[demersel]

We don't know if Udina was indoctrinated or not.

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

We don't know if Udina was indoctrinated or not.

All I know is that if he was, I'm sending Harbinger a thank you card.  Been waiting 3 games for an excuse.

[MegumiAzusa]

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You fail to realize that you lack a point. You saying you opinion; you think indoctrination is lame. That's great. I won't stop you, but it's not an argument at all.

See you all later.[/quote]
His point was indoctrination made interesting antagonists into lame servants of evil.[/quote]

Or interesting protagonists into tragic servants of evil.... [/quote]
Which doesn't happen.[/quote]

It does in my interpretation of the endings....   And if they intended an ending that was open to interpretation and headcanon-ing, then IT is a perfectly valid way to look at the endings.  Remember Chris's post?[/quote]
And I still said they ruined it with the EC. That part was perfectly fine before.[/quote]

Only you see it like that.[/quote]

Also, not only did Chris say that it's a valid interpretation, but I believe Mike Gamble did as well in a tweet.  I won't go digging for it, but I KNOW he said it was valid.[/quote]
Yes, and I would agree, as I see it from the vanilla game that it was their intention. But they made a mistake.[/quote]

Why do you think that?  Do you really think they would compromise their artistic vision?  If they really want IT, then the EC doesn't matter.  It was designed to make sure that there would be enough people interested in ME3 for there to BE a reveal.[/quote]
Which is only an assumption so far.

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Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

We don't know if Udina was indoctrinated or not.

All I know is that if he was, I'm sending Harbinger a thank you card.  Been waiting 3 games for an excuse.

Gotta agree with you there.  I've wanted to shoot Udina since he frakked me over back in ME1.  When the Renegade interrupt popped up, I hit it as quickly as I hit the Renegade interrupt with Kai Leng.  Oh, and I also thought that it made zero sense for Shepard NOT to shoot the guy with the gun.  

[Rifneno]

How many slaves it take you guys for that pyramid?

[hukbum]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Not having any close allies become indoctrinated causes the player to never consider the possibility, thus making the indoctrination of the player at the end work that much better.

That makes zero sence.

If close allies would become indoctrinated then I'd actually take indoctrination serious.

See, it worked if it was intended. You don't take it serious. So much for zero sense ...

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

We don't know if Udina was indoctrinated or not.

Doesn't matter. He worked with Cerberus. Though now you could argue if Cerberus was indeed indoctrinated but that would bring you in an interesting position.

[Restrider]

demersel wrote...

We don't know if Udina was indoctrinated or not.

Yep, he is a racist @ss back to ME1. Add to it desperation and maybe TIM fooled him, promising him to take over the Citadel and to retake Earth. No need for indoctrination, it is only assumed by Ash, afaik.

[CoolioThane]

Indoctrination Theory please. Stop feeding them.

[The Heretic of Time]

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

We don't know if Udina was indoctrinated or not.

All I know is that if he was, I'm sending Harbinger a thank you card.  Been waiting 3 games for an excuse.

Like I said, BioWare turned Udina into a cardboard-cutout villain so pathetic Paragon kiddies like you can get your power-trip satisfaction while metaphorically ejaculating all over his face when you pull the trigger on him.

[hukbum]

CoolioThane wrote...

Indoctrination Theory please. Stop feeding them.

Sorry. I'll keep that in mind from now on.

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Ah, so indoctrination is a choice now? Riiiiiiiiiight.

Or are you trying to say indoctrination only works on bad people? That's even more silly. I guess the reapers and their indoctrination aren't that fearsome and powerful after all, are they?

Are you for real with this? Yes, indoctrination is a choice, very much so. There's no mind control, you willingly side with them. They manipulate you, make their ideas seems way better, and yours terrible, but at its core it's still a choice. Many are indoctrinated trying to do good.

Indoctrination works on weak-willed, naive, and/or power-hungry people, as it plays to their desires. Saren thought he was saving everyone and TIM thought he could control Reapers, a fool's errand. Both ended up serving the Reapers' purposes.

Paragon Shepard is vulnerable because he wants to save everyone, while Renegade Shepard is vulnerable because he'll do anything to stop the Reapers. Both those motivations can be exploited easily.

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

We don't know if Udina was indoctrinated or not.

All I know is that if he was, I'm sending Harbinger a thank you card.  Been waiting 3 games for an excuse.

True, but it doesn't change the point. 

Why was Udina helping with the coup? What did he want to accoumplish? 
Lol - he is either stupid and power hungry, or indoctrinated. Or both. 

The truth is - nobody liked the guy enough to dig deaper beyound that. 

[MegumiAzusa]

hukbum wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Not having any close allies become indoctrinated causes the player to never consider the possibility, thus making the indoctrination of the player at the end work that much better.

That makes zero sence.

If close allies would become indoctrinated then I'd actually take indoctrination serious.

See, it worked if it was intended. You don't take it serious. So much for zero sense...

Not everyone just disregards indoctrination, but the last choice is more then just "is it indoctrination or not?"

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Rifneno wrote...

How many slaves it take you guys for that pyramid?

17,823

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Not having any close allies become indoctrinated causes the player to never consider the possibility, thus making the indoctrination of the player at the end work that much better.

That makes zero sence.

If close allies would become indoctrinated then I'd actually take indoctrination serious. It would show us how powerful and real indoctrination really is. Right now I don't give a crap about indoctrination because it's only used as a cop-out plot device to turn interesting characters into shallow 2-dimensional cardboard-cutouts.

Except it makes sense if Shepard would be the first person to succumb to indoctrination of everyone on the Normandy since with his presence on every mission he has the most exposure of them all by far.

[Rifneno]

Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

How many slaves it take you guys for that pyramid?

17,823

Dude!  Not cool!