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[Eryri]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Keepers and their origin.

I hope we get a DLc about that. Maybe the one that's already in the QA stage. I don't think it would work in any future ME game because the Keepers are a key part of the Reaper story until the Protheans sabotaged the signal. Maybe they are the "similar solution in the past" that Catalyst talks about when referring to Synthesis.

Interesting stuff. Maybe. Or perhaps the keeper hivemind is the "intelligence" the Leviathans created - in the form of a quasi organic computer they could interface with through enthrallment? Harbinger could have later gained the upper hand and took control of them, repurposing them to maintain the Citadel.

The Leviathan said the intelligence was still "performing its function" - ie to "establish connections". The Citadel is a diplomatic hub where different species connect, although admitedly not synthetic ones, at least in this cycle. Maybe the Leviathan was wrapping his lies in a little truth?

[/wild speculation mode]

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
So instead of doing the logical thing, which is capturing the Citadel and shutting down the relays to prevent Shepard to unite the galaxy, you know, what they used to do in the past and always succesfully did, they instead desperately try to indoctrinate Shepard?

I have to attibute this to video game logic. It wouldn't be much of a game if the Reapers just did that.

Well, maybe they didn't shut down the Relays because they were trying to lure the organics into a trap....

i think he meant from the beginning of the game, like instead of attacking Batarian space & Earth first.

They also didn't later on.

That's what I'm saying though. The moment the Reapers would lock down every relay, the game would cease to be because there is nothing the galactic community could do to stop them anymore, thus not being very fun.

Ill repost both my thoughst on why the reapers dident storm the Citadel:

1: Without keeper control the Citadel Defense Force could close up the station and deny the Reapers access. Even they would need alot of time to break through the stations armor. Instead they are probably waiting for Indoctrination to take hold of someone who is in position to prevent that from happening, like Saren did in ME1. This adds more reason to the Cerberus coup as well.

2: Following Saren's attempt (from the Councils point of view) at seizing control of the station and the discovery of the main control console it is likely the console was upgraded in security, like cutting of acces to it from Citadel tower (menaing a Reaper cannot seize control of the station through the tower).

Another possibility is that when Sovereigns leg collided with the tower it destroyed or damaged the controls in such a way that the tower can no longer be used as access point.

This would mean the Reapers would need to send in ground troops to secure the Main Citadel Controls in order to log down the Relays, but in doing so C-Sec and the Citadel defense force gets a chance to fight back. In short all those Citadel assets is what might be preventing the Reapers of seizing control of the staion and shutting down the Relays.

Just my two cents.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Eryri wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Keepers and their origin.

I hope we get a DLc about that. Maybe the one that's already in the QA stage. I don't think it would work in any future ME game because the Keepers are a key part of the Reaper story until the Protheans sabotaged the signal. Maybe they are the "similar solution in the past" that Catalyst talks about when referring to Synthesis.

Interesting stuff. Maybe. Or perhaps the keeper hivemind is the "intelligence" the Leviathans created - in the form of a quasi organic computer they could interface with through enthrallment? Harbinger could have later gained the upper hand and took control of them, repurposing them to maintain the Citadel.

The Leviathan said the intelligence was still "performing its function" - ie to "establish connections". The Citadel is a diplomatic hub where different species connect, although admitedly not synthetic ones, at least in this cycle. Maybe the Leviathan was wrapping his lies in a little truth?

[/wild speculation mode]

The Keepers would then be the "army of thralls" the Intelligence used for its purpose in the Leviathan cycle?

[CoolioThane]

demersel wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Watching the football and happy to see Celtic take a 2-1 lead against Spartak Moscow

Off topic, but more interesting that trolls

WHHAT????? 

Damn that Spartak... They can't play **** (((

I even have a short movie on that topic.


how much time in tha match left? 

All over. Celtic through!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Norlond wrote...


And til then I'll just lean back and listen to some music, watch things that make me laugh, stuff like that

Never let idiots ruin your day! Every time you feel bad, someone you hate wins!

I didn't realize Two Steps From Hell came out with new stuff. Beautiful/epic as always.

[Restrider]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Grayson never agreed with them. You only get a choice to do the stuff willingly. If you reject you get forced.

Grayson was implanted with nanides.
I guess at first they change your alignment through infrasound and slowly get you to side with their goals. Until you have the great idea to implant yourself with nanides, from that point on forward they can control you like puppet. It happened to Saren, it happened to TIM. Not sure about Kenson (the yellow eye thing could easily be just an illusion due to the trauma Shepard endured and no actual "DIRECT CONTROL").

Since Grayson was not indoctrinated slowly but rather implanted directly with nanides, Blurs assertion are reasonable.

I'll save you the time for the rebuttal since it is going to be "You cannot know..." anyway.

[spotlessvoid]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I find it really f*cking hilarious that you believe you're actually smarter than the rest of us because you happen to believe in some kind of conspiracy theory based on a video-game. Honestly, it's quite sad really, but hilarious at the same time.

And you act like you're smarter than the rest of us because you dont believe in IT, so honestly, you're no better, despite you thinking otherwise.

Except I don't. I never tried to pull the "I'm smarter than you" card on anyone, unlike some ITers in this thread, who keep going on and on about how dumb, blind, ignorant and naive we literalists must be.

Blatant and outrageous lie

[RavenEyry]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Another possibility is that when Sovereigns leg collided with the tower it destroyed or damaged the controls in such a way that the tower can no longer be used as access point.

So it was relocated to the upside down bottom floor of the tower. A possible minor point for literal.

[Norlond]

paxxton wrote...
Watch this:

Wow, that cat looks so realistic!

[demersel]

CoolioThane wrote...

All over. Celtic through!

All i can say is this 
www.youtube.com/watch

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
So instead of doing the logical thing, which is capturing the Citadel and shutting down the relays to prevent Shepard to unite the galaxy, you know, what they used to do in the past and always succesfully did, they instead desperately try to indoctrinate Shepard?

I have to attibute this to video game logic. It wouldn't be much of a game if the Reapers just did that.

Well, maybe they didn't shut down the Relays because they were trying to lure the organics into a trap....

i think he meant from the beginning of the game, like instead of attacking Batarian space & Earth first.

They also didn't later on.

That's what I'm saying though. The moment the Reapers would lock down every relay, the game would cease to be because there is nothing the galactic community could do to stop them anymore, thus not being very fun.

Ill repost both my thoughst on why the reapers dident storm the Citadel:

1: Without keeper control the Citadel Defense Force could close up the station and deny the Reapers access. Even they would need alot of time to break through the stations armor. Instead they are probably waiting for Indoctrination to take hold of someone who is in position to prevent that from happening, like Saren did in ME1. This adds more reason to the Cerberus coup as well.

2: Following Saren's attempt (from the Councils point of view) at seizing control of the station and the discovery of the main control console it is likely the console was upgraded in security, like cutting of acces to it from Citadel tower (menaing a Reaper cannot seize control of the station through the tower).

Another possibility is that when Sovereigns leg collided with the tower it destroyed or damaged the controls in such a way that the tower can no longer be used as access point.

This would mean the Reapers would need to send in ground troops to secure the Main Citadel Controls in order to log down the Relays, but in doing so C-Sec and the Citadel defense force gets a chance to fight back. In short all those Citadel assets is what might be preventing the Reapers of seizing control of the staion and shutting down the Relays.

Just my two cents.

i like number one.

[CoolioThane]

archangel1996 wrote...



This means you are arrogant or a hater
haters gonna hate.......no seriously, can you find me something more stupid than this?

Wait what? I'm neither arrogant nor a hater! 

[Norlond]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Norlond wrote...


And til then I'll just lean back and listen to some music, watch things that make me laugh, stuff like that

Never let idiots ruin your day! Every time you feel bad, someone you hate wins!

I didn't realize Two Steps From Hell came out with new stuff. Beautiful/epic as always.

One word to describe them: Geniuswizardsofamazingness

[RavenEyry]

spotlessvoid wrote...
Blatant and outrageous lie

He does that every time pot, kettle comes up. He denies things more than Priestly.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Keepers and their origin.

I hope we get a DLc about that. Maybe the one that's already in the QA stage. I don't think it would work in any future ME game because the Keepers are a key part of the Reaper story until the Protheans sabotaged the signal. Maybe they are the "similar solution in the past" that Catalyst talks about when referring to Synthesis.

Interesting stuff. Maybe. Or perhaps the keeper hivemind is the "intelligence" the Leviathans created - in the form of a quasi organic computer they could interface with through enthrallment? Harbinger could have later gained the upper hand and took control of them, repurposing them to maintain the Citadel.

The Leviathan said the intelligence was still "performing its function" - ie to "establish connections". The Citadel is a diplomatic hub where different species connect, although admitedly not synthetic ones, at least in this cycle. Maybe the Leviathan was wrapping his lies in a little truth?

[/wild speculation mode]

The Keepers would then be the "army of thralls" the Intelligence used for its purpose in the Leviathan cycle?

This could turn out to be really interesting. I'd buy it (though I'd buy anything for ME3 so I might be biased).

[Dwailing]

Norlond wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Norlond wrote...


And til then I'll just lean back and listen to some music, watch things that make me laugh, stuff like that

Never let idiots ruin your day! Every time you feel bad, someone you hate wins!

I didn't realize Two Steps From Hell came out with new stuff. Beautiful/epic as always.

One word to describe them: Geniuswizardsofamazingness

Is that like Carnipredifexator?

[Eryri]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Keepers and their origin.

I hope we get a DLc about that. Maybe the one that's already in the QA stage. I don't think it would work in any future ME game because the Keepers are a key part of the Reaper story until the Protheans sabotaged the signal. Maybe they are the "similar solution in the past" that Catalyst talks about when referring to Synthesis.

Interesting stuff. Maybe. Or perhaps the keeper hivemind is the "intelligence" the Leviathans created - in the form of a quasi organic computer they could interface with through enthrallment? Harbinger could have later gained the upper hand and took control of them, repurposing them to maintain the Citadel.

The Leviathan said the intelligence was still "performing its function" - ie to "establish connections". The Citadel is a diplomatic hub where different species connect, although admitedly not synthetic ones, at least in this cycle. Maybe the Leviathan was wrapping his lies in a little truth?

[/wild speculation mode]

The Keepers would then be the "army of thralls" the Intelligence used for its purpose in the Leviathan cycle?

Maybe not the army - as keepers seem physically weak, but perhaps networked together they were the controling brain of the Intelligence, which then enthralled more physically powerful species as its soldiers to harvest the Leviathans?

Later Harby broke his shackles and reprogrammed the Keeper Intelligence to serve his plans for the cycles?

I'm just throwing ideas around really to see what sticks - I've no particular in-game evidence to support this.

Modifié par Eryri, 05 décembre 2012 - 09:48 .

[dorktainian]

RavenEyry wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Another possibility is that when Sovereigns leg collided with the tower it destroyed or damaged the controls in such a way that the tower can no longer be used as access point.

So it was relocated to the upside down bottom floor of the tower. A possible minor point for literal.

or sovereign just switched the controls to where he could access them when needed?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Norlond wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Norlond wrote...


And til then I'll just lean back and listen to some music, watch things that make me laugh, stuff like that

Never let idiots ruin your day! Every time you feel bad, someone you hate wins!

I didn't realize Two Steps From Hell came out with new stuff. Beautiful/epic as always.

One word to describe them: Geniuswizardsofamazingness

My MP3 player is basically all TSFH stuff. It's so amazing I don't need to listen to anything else.

[RavenEyry]

dorktainian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Another possibility is that when Sovereigns leg collided with the tower it destroyed or damaged the controls in such a way that the tower can no longer be used as access point.

So it was relocated to the upside down bottom floor of the tower. A possible minor point for literal.

or sovereign just switched the controls to where he could access them when needed?

He's too busy falling to pieces to do any remodelling.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Another possibility is that when Sovereigns leg collided with the tower it destroyed or damaged the controls in such a way that the tower can no longer be used as access point.

So it was relocated to the upside down bottom floor of the tower. A possible minor point for literal.

Probably not considering the area appears unused with a linear path leading to it. Siad linear path starting at a strange beam in London...

Most likely the controls would be located somewhere safer. Hell perhaps they are even in the Council chambers still, rebuilt and modifed with greater security.

Ultimately we cant be sure what happened to those controls, but logic dictates that after the events of ME1 greater security precations would be taken with such a thing.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

All over. Celtic through!

All i can say is this 
www.youtube.com/watch

Since when this movie is about soccer?

[Norlond]

Dwailing wrote...

Norlond wrote...
One word to describe them: Geniuswizardsofamazingness

Is that like Carnipredifexator?

Not as creative, but pretty much, yeah

[Dwailing]

Excuse me gents, but I would recomment not speaking to Hanar right now. He seems to be a jerk at this moment. Just, you know, putting this out there.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

All over. Celtic through!

All i can say is this 
www.youtube.com/watch

Since when this movie is about soccer?

Since day 1?