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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

magnetite wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But I think it's real. This texture in contained in the package for the Guardian.


The Guardian.pcc package also contains the default textures for the boy (same ones you saw on Earth in Vancouver). The textures that look like clothes or a uniform, not this one. It's just layered.


So, can I start honestly saying that IT is proven?  Because that's something I've wanted to say for a very FRAKKING long time.


I would very much appreciate an answer to this question. :P


Dude, let it lie. Lieralists won't accept it unless saren's ghost popped up in the game, jedi-style, and said " Hey, guess what, Shepard? You're indoctrinated. Cool beans. Welcome to the club, bro. Just try not to get killed like I did. It's a major buzzkill. "  Or if Anderson said it to Shepard's face. Oh wait...

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

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As i see it we have two prime suspects for being that intelligence.

- Harbinger.
- Glyph.

Harbinger doesn't get more out of being the intelligence - he is already the main antogonist and the leader of the Reapers.


If you believe everything the Leviathan tell you, they creatred the Intelligence, which then wiped them out, turning their race into the first Reaper - which was Harbinger.

Of course.. there's no reason why the AI couldn't then upload itself into Harbinger...


Exactly. Where the hell did the synthetic part of the reapers come from? The intelligence of course.

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Glyph being the Intelligence introduces a grey eminence into the story which is quite a surprising turn of events. IMO it'd make the story deeper and more complex.

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

demersel wrote...
As i see it we have two prime suspects for being that intelligence.

- Harbinger.
- Glyph.

Harbinger doesn't get more out of being the intelligence - he is already the main antogonist and the leader of the Reapers.


If you believe everything the Leviathan tell you, they creatred the Intelligence, which then wiped them out, turning their race into the first Reaper - which was Harbinger.

Of course.. there's no reason why the AI couldn't then upload itself into Harbinger...


There is one. 

And it is actually in the mass effect codex. 

AI - means it is actually alive and self aware. And one of his primes desires would be to continue his existence - that is a given. 
You can't just ulpload the AI into something new - you'll get an entirely new personality. 

That is the only reason why the AI wouldn't want to upload himself into this newly created body - he would die in a sense.  But you have to agree - it's kind of a big one. 

And there is this thing that Harbinger does sounds like he is created out of the essense of the leviathans.

By the way - leviathans are huge. Who say reapers are not just huskified leviathans - they are the same size. And they all look alike.  

Modifié par demersel, 06 décembre 2012 - 12:37 .


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Fur28 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Teoria Adoctrinamiento


te falto el acento   *Teoría del Adoctrinamiento


No tengo acentos en mi teclado :/

 


ni yo, copie la letra con acento de google


Cheating :P

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paxxton wrote...

Glyph being the Intelligence introduces a grey eminence into the story which is quite a surprising turn of events. IMO it'd make the story deeper and more complex.

Oh, he's a mean 'lil one. Someone who says "Have a pleasent day" after Thessia is definetly suscpicous.

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

I'm still very much believing the idea that Harbinger is the intelligence referred to by Leviathan. I mean after all, Harbinger considers himself a deity and was the first reaper, reapers are a mix of synthetic and organic.. so it only makes sense for the intelligence to put himself in with the organic material of the Leviathans.


This is my opinion as well, I mean EDI installed herself into a body and that body has the form of her creators.
Do you think she couldn't have extracted the data without assuming control of the body? (I don't think EDI has bad intentions, just asking a question).

I just feel that the Shepard/EDI relationship has some parallelisms with the Leviathans/Intelligence one. 

@Fur28  Another Caboose fan here B)

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If it was so very obvious it would take away the mystery. Not to mention it makes it too easy to understand. The fact that this ending is more complex than people realize (literalists anyways) is what makes it brilliant. 

Great storytellers make people work for the answers instead of handing them everything on a silver platter. 

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hukbum wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Glyph being the Intelligence introduces a grey eminence into the story which is quite a surprising turn of events. IMO it'd make the story deeper and more complex.

Oh, he's a mean 'lil one. Someone who says "Have a pleasent day" after Thessia is definetly suscpicous.


And his "Good luck, commander!"
and "stay safe, commander!"

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demersel wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

demersel wrote...
As i see it we have two prime suspects for being that intelligence.

- Harbinger.
- Glyph.

Harbinger doesn't get more out of being the intelligence - he is already the main antogonist and the leader of the Reapers.


If you believe everything the Leviathan tell you, they creatred the Intelligence, which then wiped them out, turning their race into the first Reaper - which was Harbinger.

Of course.. there's no reason why the AI couldn't then upload itself into Harbinger...


There is one. 

And it is actually in the mass effect codex. 

AI - means it is actually alive and self aware. And one of his primes desires would be to continue his existence - that is a given. 
You can't just ulpad the AI into something new - you'll get an entirely new personality. 

That is the only reason why the AI wouldn't want to upload himself into this newly created body - he would die in a sense.  But you have to agree - it's kind of a big one. 

And there is this thing that Harbinger does sounds like he is created out of the essense of the leviathans.

By the way - leviathans are huge. Who say reapers are not just huskified leviathans - they are the same size. And they all look alike.  


Crazy idea.  The Leviathans found a way to transfer AIs from one body to another, the Reapers are Leviathan husks, and each husk has a core made of a harvested species. (Takes off tin foil hat)

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CoolioThane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Teoria Adoctrinamiento


te falto el acento   *Teoría del Adoctrinamiento


No tengo acentos en mi teclado :/

 


ni yo, copie la letra con acento de google


Cheating :P


i think you mean Superior Strategy B)

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Good point about EDI though, but she isn't entirely there - 1. And she herself says it was not a seamless transaction. Maybe she is changed more than she cares to admit.

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Fur28 wrote...

i think you mean Superior Strategy B)


Pffftttt...Or proactiveness to my laziness :D

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I want to know what the Lieralists (or more spesificaly Hanar) will do when/if IT is proven as fact to the point that Bioware comes out and says "Yes, IT is true, good job guys at the IT thread! You more or less found out everything!"
I can't even imagine the sh*t storm they'll cause.

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I guess i just don't like Glyph. I want him to be evil. ))) Besides, that drell guy, Faron? He can't stand glyph. I view same as kaidan forshadowing the statue being a mass relay.

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OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I want to know what the Lieralists (or more spesificaly Hanar) will do when/if IT is proven as fact to the point that Bioware comes out and says "Yes, IT is true, good job guys at the IT thread! You more or less found out everything!"
I can't even imagine the sh*t storm they'll cause.


He said he would lose all respect for Bioware and leave.

(Sulk)

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CoolioThane wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I want to know what the Lieralists (or more spesificaly Hanar) will do when/if IT is proven as fact to the point that Bioware comes out and says "Yes, IT is true, good job guys at the IT thread! You more or less found out everything!"
I can't even imagine the sh*t storm they'll cause.


He said he would lose all respect for Bioware and leave.

(Sulk)


what a shame

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OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I want to know what the Lieralists (or more spesificaly Hanar) will do when/if IT is proven as fact to the point that Bioware comes out and says "Yes, IT is true, good job guys at the IT thread! You more or less found out everything!"
I can't even imagine the sh*t storm they'll cause.


And then we would be able to say that we belived in IT before it was cool. B)

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OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I want to know what the Lieralists (or more spesificaly Hanar) will do when/if IT is proven as fact to the point that Bioware comes out and says "Yes, IT is true, good job guys at the IT thread! You more or less found out everything!"
I can't even imagine the sh*t storm they'll cause.


I was thinking about that earlier. If IT turned out to be what the final DLC was (post-wake up scene), then they'd probably lose it and start saying that Bioware just used IT in their story, when they just planted the clues for us to find.

Or if it did turn out as officially proven, then Bioware would be hailed as the Gods of Storytelling and everyone would love them for it.

Modifié par magnetite, 06 décembre 2012 - 12:48 .


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CoolioThane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

i think you mean Superior Strategy B)


Pffftttt...Or proactiveness to my laziness :D


You leave no choice but to KaiLeng the crap out of you......SHUT UP
Total BadassyB)

Edit: huh.. i read your post wrong, sorry

Modifié par Fur28, 06 décembre 2012 - 12:49 .


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CoolioThane wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I want to know what the Lieralists (or more spesificaly Hanar) will do when/if IT is proven as fact to the point that Bioware comes out and says "Yes, IT is true, good job guys at the IT thread! You more or less found out everything!"
I can't even imagine the sh*t storm they'll cause.


He said he would lose all respect for Bioware and leave.

(Sulk)


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I guess i just don't like Glyph. I want him to be evil. ))) Besides, that drell guy, Faron? He can't stand glyph. I view same as kaidan forshadowing the statue being a mass relay.

It's this Glyph-thingy that make mySheps head do some really crazy stuff in the beginning. That's when I started to hate him.

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I was thinking about that earlier. If IT turned out to be what the final DLC was (post-ending), then they'd probably lose it and start saying that Bioware just used IT in their story, when they just planted the clues for us to find.


No, they just wave it off as fanservice and cheap and easy cop-out. 

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demersel wrote...

hukbum wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Glyph being the Intelligence introduces a grey eminence into the story which is quite a surprising turn of events. IMO it'd make the story deeper and more complex.

Oh, he's a mean 'lil one. Someone who says "Have a pleasent day" after Thessia is definetly suscpicous.


And his "Good luck, commander!"
and "stay safe, commander!"

What about him saying "You mean vermin" after the door closes behind Shepard?

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OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I want to know what the Lieralists (or more spesificaly Hanar) will do when/if IT is proven as fact to the point that Bioware comes out and says "Yes, IT is true, good job guys at the IT thread! You more or less found out everything!"
I can't even imagine the sh*t storm they'll cause.


I'm not sure if they will slink away and sulk or if it will become a sh*tstorm bigger than HTL.