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[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

Long time away from this thread, folks. Just heard the news about the new dlc. What's the thread consensus? Is there an exec summary? Work has been busy, I'm out of the loop.

Lots of quotes with subtle hints, mirroring, metaphor, and foreshadowing, but nothing substantial. This was mostly a combat DLC.

I think he meant the next one. We know all 9 writers and 3 composers including Sam Hulick are working on it. Sounds important.

Oh... i thought he meant this one. My bad.

[paxxton]

Rifneno, none of what you are saying happened. The idea was proposed ages ago and it would make a mind-blowing twist. I don't understand why you feel entitled to what you did in ME3.

[BatmanTurian]

magnetite wrote...

Something else I was thinking about to explain TIM shooting you and ending up as a "game over message" (edited for Mass Effect 3 lore-wise).

Neo: If you're killed in the "dream world", you die here?
Morpheus: Body cannot live without the mind.

Morpheus: The Matrix is a computer-generated dream world. Built to keep us under control, in order to change a human being into this (holds a battery in his hand).

Neo: No, I don't believe IT. It's not possible.
Morpheus: I didn't say it would be easy Neo. I just said IT would be the truth.
Neo: No, I want out. Let me out of here.
Morpheus: Easy Neo.
Cipher: He's gonna pop.
Morpheus: Breathe Neo, just breathe.

For me, referring to the matrix in the notes is a huuuuuge clue. Even if it's just " First Matrix". They could mean the first movie, or the first program within that universe, or both simultaneously.

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
No, it's all crazy.  Making the ending a huge mindscrew is one thing, but taking the entire game out of canon when we did things like cure the genophage and make peace between the geth and quarians is the kind of stuff that turns a fanbase into a lynch mob.

You misunderstood me.  Everything that happened in ME3 before the beam run - happened. 

By no major plotlines not resolved i meant - not knowing what cerberus is really up, and not knowing how to stop the reapers. 

It is still crazy, but i wanted to make the difference clear. 

That doesn't really sound crazy to me. That sounds like IT. Hell, we don't know why Cerberus does half the stuff they do in literal!

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno, none of what you are saying happened. The idea was proposed ages ago and it would make a mind-blowing twist. I don't understand why you feel entitled to what you did in ME3.

I agree with Rif 110% on this one.

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno, none of what you are saying happened. The idea was proposed ages ago and it would make a mind-blowing twist. I don't understand why you feel entitled to what you did in ME3.

I agree with Rif 110% on this one.

But that is essentially what Choose Wisely is building up to. 

[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
No, it's all crazy.  Making the ending a huge mindscrew is one thing, but taking the entire game out of canon when we did things like cure the genophage and make peace between the geth and quarians is the kind of stuff that turns a fanbase into a lynch mob.

You misunderstood me.  Everything that happened in ME3 before the beam run - happened. 

By no major plotlines not resolved i meant - not knowing what cerberus is really up, and not knowing how to stop the reapers. 

It is still crazy, but i wanted to make the difference clear. 

That doesn't really sound crazy to me. That sounds like IT. Hell, we don't know why Cerberus does half the stuff they do in literal!

Well, we kind of do but the evidence isn't enough for some people.

[BatmanTurian]

magnetite wrote...

Neo: I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how this is going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. A world without you. A world without borders or boundaries, or rules and controls. A world, where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

I think that quote applies to Mac's "end of First Matrix" thing scribbled on his note sheet, because that is the final scene before the credits roll.

Yeah, that sounds like pretty much what happened in Destroy. I just wish there had been an epic speech like that.

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno, none of what you are saying happened. The idea was proposed ages ago and it would make a mind-blowing twist. I don't understand why you feel entitled to what you did in ME3.

I agree with Rif 110% on this one.

Ok but why do people keep bringing up the argument that because they did something in ME3 BioWare has to respect that and consider it done?

I didn't cure the genophage and didn't forge the geth-quarian alliance so it all did not happen.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 décembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Neo: I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how this is going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. A world without you. A world without borders or boundaries, or rules and controls. A world, where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

I think that quote applies to Mac's "end of First Matrix" thing scribbled on his note sheet, because that is the final scene before the credits roll.

Yeah, that sounds like pretty much what happened in Destroy. I just wish there had been an epic speech like that.

1. Combine refuse and destroy
2. Instant awesome!

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Well, we kind of do but the evidence isn't enough for some people.

Am I to understand those people want Bioware to confirm every single detail for them? Sorry if that sounds a little off. I don't know any other way of putting it.

Yes, they do. They aren't used to playing games/watching shows that require you to think at all.

[paxxton]

magnetite wrote...

Neo: I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how this is going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. A world without you. A world without borders or boundaries, or rules and controls. A world, where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

I think that quote applies to Mac's "end of First Matrix" thing scribbled on his note sheet, because that is the final scene before the credits roll.

I think Walters meant that Neo dies and rises as the One. Same with Shepard. He is being indoctrinated, almost succumbs but ultimately finds strength to break free and rise to finish the fight. Shepard's not done yet.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 décembre 2012 - 01:36 .

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Neo: I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how this is going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. A world without you. A world without borders or boundaries, or rules and controls. A world, where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

I think that quote applies to Mac's "end of First Matrix" thing scribbled on his note sheet, because that is the final scene before the credits roll.

I think Walters meant that Neo dies and rises as the One. Same with Shepard. He is being indoctrinated, almost succumbs but ultimately findsa strength to break free and rise to finish the fight. Shepard's not done yet.

There are a lot of ways to interpret that! Most of them good.

[BatmanTurian]

magnetite wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Well, we kind of do but the evidence isn't enough for some people.

Am I to understand those people want Bioware to confirm every single detail for them? Sorry if that sounds a little off. I don't know any other way of putting it.

If you feel that way, never go to the mass effect wiki and look in the talk page of indoctrination. They won't even say the Illusive man is indoctrinated because that's " speculation ", ignoring the fact that 1/4 of the in-game codex is speculation itself.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 06 décembre 2012 - 01:38 .

[IronSabbath88]

paxxton wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Neo: I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how this is going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. A world without you. A world without borders or boundaries, or rules and controls. A world, where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

I think that quote applies to Mac's "end of First Matrix" thing scribbled on his note sheet, because that is the final scene before the credits roll.

I think Walters meant that Neo dies and rises as the One. Same with Shepard. He is being indoctrinated, almost succumbs but ultimately findsa strength to break free and rise to finish the fight. Shepard's not done yet.

Shepard is The Catalyst. But not in that stupid Control way. 

[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Neo: I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how this is going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. A world without you. A world without borders or boundaries, or rules and controls. A world, where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

I think that quote applies to Mac's "end of First Matrix" thing scribbled on his note sheet, because that is the final scene before the credits roll.

Yeah, that sounds like pretty much what happened in Destroy. I just wish there had been an epic speech like that.

1. Combine refuse and destroy
2. Instant awesome!

That's the essence of PT, right?

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno, none of what you are saying happened. The idea was proposed ages ago and it would make a mind-blowing twist. I don't understand why you feel entitled to what you did in ME3.

I agree with Rif 110% on this one.

But that is essentially what Choose Wisely is building up to. 

Great. Choose Wisely can do what it wants. To be honest, I never watched any of them.

@Coolio Hey! Hoping for IT reveal for the first time in a while. I just don't know what else it could be.

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

They won't even say the Illusive man is indoctrinated because that's " speculation "

.......what?!

Why do they think TIM killed himself?

God damn the wiki people are stupid.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Great. Choose Wisely can do what it wants. To be honest, I never watched any of them.

I was going to watch Choose Wisely 3 until Hellish came in here and told us we were speculating wrong and implied some of us needed to be spoonfed the truth or some bull**** like that.

Now I dont really care.

Imagine that.

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

1. Combine refuse and destroy
2. Instant awesome!

That's the essence of PT, right?

Pretty much! Also, my advice is to avoid the wiki. Unless you want a walkthrough or a hypocritically subjective gameplay guide. ?

@Iron 100% agree. Shepard is the real catalyst. Shepard precipitates everything in the series. She's the catalyst for virtually everyone's story.

Edit: My bad. Same avatar picture. Everyone should use custom ones!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 06 décembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

They won't even say the Illusive man is indoctrinated because that's " speculation "

.......what?!

Why do they think TIM killed himself?

God damn the wiki people are stupid.

LOL.  +1

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

They won't even say the Illusive man is indoctrinated because that's " speculation "

.......what?!

Why do they think TIM killed himself?

God damn the wiki people are stupid.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Indoctrination

 Illusive Man Indoctrination?

So, it's recently been discussed on the forums that the story of the Illusive Man suggested that he was exposed to Reaper tech, and in fact some of his cybernetics are Reaper. So, should he be listed on this page, at the very least as potential until ME3 confirms it either way? AbsolutGrndZer0 01:20, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

    No as it is speculation, and we do not allow speculation in articles. Until we have confirmation, we can't mention this. Lancer1289 01:22, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

        Agreed. All we know for certain is that the Illusive Man's been exposed to Reaper tech, but Evolution and ME2 show no evidence of him being indoctrinated. If ME3 reveals that he was indoctrinated, we'll add him to this article then. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:25, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Um... what about "Possible Victims" section? That's all speculation, isn't it? AbsolutGrndZer0 02:43, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

    We don't allow speculation in articles so that's a no on adding that, which in of itself is speculation. Lancer1289 02:51, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
    (Edit Conflict) You're right, that would be speculation. I've removed the section. -- Commdor (Talk) 02:52, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Now this is talk before ME3 but to my knowledge it still hasn't been addressed and he's not on the page.
EDIT: wait no... there he is.

Still in ME2 it was frakking obvious

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 06 décembre 2012 - 01:50 .