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[spotlessvoid]

I don't think you can leave it open to interpretation when your face value interpretation is beyond stupid and your most popular alternate interpretation leaves the story unfinished.

Personally, I'm pretty sure Bioware is going to do something big, and it isn't validating starbrat and the synthesis rainbow

[RavenEyry]

magnetite wrote...

Maybe we'll run into TIM and actually put an end to him with a real gun this time.

One that sounds and reloads correctly? Madness!

[Auralius Carolus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

hukbum wrote...

Seen this?

" It’s hard to judge what shape the new content will take. While BioWare has released content like Mass Effect 3: The Extended Cut to try and mollify fans dissatisfied with the game’s controversial ending, they did not record new voice work to flesh out that content at the time, meaning what was released had already been prepared."

Is that true?

Based on what I know about the EC and what logic may lead to speculation, the EC was intended to be part of the Vanilla game, but time was cut short and they had to launch, creating a poorly fleshed out... THING for an ending.
 
It is not uncommon, at all, for entire story lines- DLC and All- to be on the drawing board by the time of the base game's launch. To do otherwise can actually compromise the story, mood, etc. as focus grows stale over time.

[spotlessvoid]

Then why isn't the EC included in the Trilogy Pack? And hi AC!

And the VA work was done but they just couldn't get that slide show finished? That's not very believable.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 06 décembre 2012 - 08:57 .

[Andromidius]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Then why isn't the EC included in the Trilogy Pack? And hi AC!

Then it would be too obvious that they rushed out the core product.

As much as I forgive many of Bioware's doings, I know they still have a little more pride then is healthy.  Whether or not they deserve to have that pride...  Well, that's personal interpretation.

[Auralius Carolus]

magnetite wrote...



It seems that way back in 2004, they had planned that after the main story campaign was finished that you could continue on after. Perhaps that is what is coming up. Continue after the ending we have now?



There was also talk about using humans as a slave race for the masters (I guess that would mean the Reapers).

Yep. they certainly planned this.

Yeah, people tend to think that ME1 2 and 3 are all dynamic writings, but often these games- and even some novels- are just segments of a pre-designated grand story. And hope that by "playing after" they don't pull a Dragon Age Origins with the "after-play", (I.E., completely bogus and nonsensical, breaking the lore).

[spotlessvoid]

Andromidius wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Then why isn't the EC included in the Trilogy Pack? And hi AC!

Then it would be too obvious that they rushed out the core product.

As much as I forgive many of Bioware's doings, I know they still have a little more pride then is healthy.  Whether or not they deserve to have that pride...  Well, that's personal interpretation.

How is including the EC in the Trilogy some sort of admission of guilt? Seems more like they want players to see the endings without it.

[Auralius Carolus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I don't think you can leave it open to interpretation when your face value interpretation is beyond stupid and your most popular alternate interpretation leaves the story unfinished.

Personally, I'm pretty sure Bioware is going to do something big, and it isn't validating starbrat and the synthesis rainbow

Head-trips, in my opinion, provide for some of the most interesting gameplay out there while also provide for amazing story and gameplay potential.

Hopefully Bioware hasn't succumb completely to the nanny "Hand Holding" gameplay, (i.e., everything from flashing buttons to completely linier maps)... "completely" being the key word.

[RavenEyry]

I hate the trilogy set for being advertised as 'complete' despite missing a lot of DLC.

[spotlessvoid]

If that article is correct (and it already makes a wild assumption that Eurogamer not directly mentioning Hale and Meer returning means no Shepard) about the EC VA work being completed before ME3 launched then I think that seems to really suggest that face value isn't all there is.
It's pretty implausible that with the EC VA work already done during ME3 production they were held up by the slide show and Normandy pick up scene (which I think was possibly cut from the game) and they didn't have time to implement it into the launch version.

Seems like they have an alternate interpretation and had most of the EC in their back pocket knowing they might need something to placate the fans after launch. If if IF that article isn't just wrong. IF!

[Auralius Carolus]

magnetite wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

 (I.E., completely bogus and nonsensical, breaking the lore).

I never played DA:O, but in terms of breaking the lore (eg. Starbinger), he's just lying to you. I mean he wants to find a solution to Chaos.

Reapers=Order
Organics=Chaos

Therefore, he's pretty much aligned with the interests of the Reapers and not of organics.

How is including the EC in the Trilogy some sort of admission of guilt? Seems more like they want players to see the endings without it.

I've heard a lot of people liked the original endings for them being "open to interpretation", and were displeased that Bioware had released the EC.

No need to convince me. After a thorough analysis of the Reapers viewpoints, indoctrination, indoctrination means and the Spacebrat, I've come to a sound enough conclusion that the Reapers are very much inspired by the Demonic. Lies, mimicry, mind-control, EMF, Ultrasound, Infrasound, reoccurring vivid nightmares, Doppelgangers, hearing growls... these are all paranormal aspects associated with demons.

There is such a predictable influence, that it's hard to say that the trend would simply "end" with the Catalyst, especially after his apparent use of the child as an attempt at emotional manipulation through mimicry. In the world of demonic influence and possession, what is more likely to be going on is that Shepard is having his guard lessened, while the demon attempts to persuade him to commit an act through manipulation of mood and other forms of perceptual alteration; an act which will only further him down the road to complete control.

Both in Demonology and ME Indoctrination, the slow and patient manipulation is considered far more dangerous as the person's actual beliefs may be altered, fundamentally changing them as the "thing" becomes ingrained, but at the same time remaining obscure to onlookers.

[RavenEyry]

spotlessvoid wrote...

If that article is correct (and it already makes a wild assumption that Eurogamer not directly mentioning Hale and Meer returning means no Shepard) about the EC VA work being completed before ME3 launched then I think that seems to really suggest that face value isn't all there is.

I thought Meer blatantly said he did some lines for EC?

OT edit: I'm gonna be naming xcom characters after ITers to see how well you do in the real world!

Modifié par RavenEyry, 06 décembre 2012 - 09:23 .

[byne]

RavenEyry wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If that article is correct (and it already makes a wild assumption that Eurogamer not directly mentioning Hale and Meer returning means no Shepard) about the EC VA work being completed before ME3 launched then I think that seems to really suggest that face value isn't all there is.

I thought Meer blatantly said he did some lines for EC?

OT edit: I'm gonna be naming xcom characters after ITers to see how well you do in the real world!

Even if the EC ending slides were done ahead of time, I really doubt that they did the EC godchild convo ahead of time, since the godchild sounds kind of different when you ask him questions added by the EC. Like they forgot what filters they used for his voice and couldnt get it right or something.

Also, Shepard's reasoning for why they dont like each choice is suspiciously similar to reasons players gave for why each choice was stupid.

I apologize in advance for anything stupid my xcom character does.

Bed time for me.

[spotlessvoid]

The article actually says no additional VA work was done for the EC. Sounds like the article flubbed it

[Gwyphon]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The article actually says no additional VA work was done for the EC. Sounds like the article flubbed it

Internet journalism. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Wow, I think I need to take a break from this thread...or Mass Effect in general.

Just this night I had a dream in which i was Commander Shepard on Omega. Along with Aria I organized the defense of Omega in preparation for a Reaper fleet, setting up Krogan, Turian, Salarian, Asari (and Rahcni for some reason) squads and organizing the fleet.

Then all hell broke loose as the Reaper arrived culminating in a Dreadnought suicide running a Sovereign class Reaper even as we evacuated Omega.

Nah, not taking a break cause that dream was freaking awesome

[dorktainian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Wow, I think I need to take a break from this thread...or Mass Effect in general.

Just this night I had a dream in which i was Commander Shepard on Omega. Along with Aria I organized the defense of Omega in preparation for a Reaper fleet, setting up Krogan, Turian, Salarian, Asari (and Rahcni for some reason) squads and organizing the fleet.

Then all hell broke loose as the Reaper arrived culminating in a Dreadnought suicide running a Sovereign class Reaper even as we evacuated Omega.

Nah, not taking a break cause that dream was freaking awesome

Yay....much better than ME3s ending.

[Gwyphon]

You're going insane!

Insane like a fox!

[RavenEyry]

Well I dreamed of a dev on another game painting Sovereign on a plate for some reason.

[demersel]

I got it! I know what it is!

Hear me out - the whole game is a dream (maybe even the whole 3 games) which is happening in Shepard's mind as he lies in the rubble in London, injured and almost dead - and it is based on his memories of the events that led him to this point - but since it isn't a usual dream but rather a hallucination induced by indoctrination - he can't just snap out of it, it is stuck on an infinite loop - the closer to the actual point the more blurry and distorted his memories become, cause he was getting affected more and more by the indoctrination. -

It is an infitite loop, which is happening all inside his head - but it is based on the events that actually happened - he is remebering them over and over again, so he can remeber who he actually is and where he is so he can wake up. - so the whole game IS a dream, but contructed out of the actual events that happened


Basicly this - is both the beginning and the ending





I have wondered about you
Where will you be when this through
If all goes as planned 
Will you redeem my life again?




Fire the fields the weed is sown
Water down your empty soul 
Wake the sea of silent hope
Water down your empty soul




Fight your foes you're on your own
Holy war is on the phone
Asking to please stay on hold 
The bleeding loss of blood runs cold




And I need you to recover
Because I can't make it on my own

Modifié par demersel, 06 décembre 2012 - 11:15 .

[RavenEyry]

Cool idea, and mostly plausible, but no.

[BleedingUranium]

That would simultaneously make everything very confusing but also change nothing.

[demersel]

RavenEyry wrote...

Cool idea, and mostly plausible, but no.

Ok. Why not? What does it change? What does it take away? Nothing.