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[MaximizedAction]

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see Banshee you sound like fem Shepard, but more of a Bastila voice when she was younger.

Also Blurr I use to read your post as you were Kadin.

And I assume I sound like Martin Sheen?? Nice...

And when I read those "..." I imagine you playing with your Whisky or having a drag on the cigarette.

[demersel]

CoolioThane wrote...

It's an interesting idea, but I think it would take away from the importance of Harby's beam.

The minutes he's hit with the beam, that's when the hallucinations start imo

So doesn;t you agreeing that the transport crash is the start point for the hallucination take away from the importance of Harby's beam already? 

Modifié par demersel, 06 décembre 2012 - 12:12 .

[Rifneno]

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see Banshee you sound like fem Shepard, but more of a Bastila voice when she was younger.

Also Blurr I use to read your post as you were Kadin.

And I assume I sound like Martin Sheen?? Nice...

It's Sheen's voice, but the words are all different.  Something about bail and son.

[demersel]

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see Banshee you sound like fem Shepard, but more of a Bastila voice when she was younger.

Also Blurr I use to read your post as you were Kadin.

And I assume I sound like Martin Sheen?? Nice...

Ok, who do I sound like? 

Not that scientist form Eden Prime in ME1 i hope? 

[tangythang]

demersel wrote...

Aren't this infinite limbo of memories is where we all are at the moment in real life in regards of ME trilogy? Don't we all just remember it over and over again waiting for our chance to snap out of it and continue the fight? Don't we all agree here that nothing is over yet - reapers are still not defeated, but we can't actually do anything about it yet, except for hoping, and remembering some new deteals along the way - like missed dialogs or details or even entire mission - the DLCs?

They did promise us a new level of storytelling. This is exaclty what it is.

Think about it!  it is even consitent with Shepard's own reaction to the dreams in the game itself! 

I know  !
The is my first time ever to experience metagaming to this extent. 

I guess bioware were trying to do stuff like one in metal gear solid where the player were forced to look for ingame clues OUTSIDE the game (like switching the controler port to regain control of the main character, or finding an important codex number on the back of the CD to progress the story). Only this time, they're involving all Shepard in the world to work together, we are the shepard.

[MaximizedAction]

tangythang wrote...
I know  !
The is my first time ever to experience metagaming to this extent. 

I guess bioware were trying to do stuff like one in metal gear solid where the player were forced to look for ingame clues OUTSIDE the game (like switching the controler port to regain control of the main character, or finding an important codex number on the back of the CD to progress the story). Only this time, they're involving all Shepard in the world to work together, we are the shepard.

Good PR stuff right there.

[BleedingUranium]

RavenEyry wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...
The minutes he's hit with the beam, that's when the hallucinations start imo

I feel it's the unexplained mako crash moments before, and I believe Byne does too.

It would make the evac scene and Harby's awful aim part of the dream.

That's about the only thing EC actaully changed, because it was very obviously getting lased that knocked out Shep in the base game. Fade to white and dream music being the most obvious.

[demersel]

BleedingUranium wrote...

That's about the only thing EC actaully changed, because it was very obviously getting lased that knocked out Shep in the base game. Fade to white and dream music being the most obvious.

THe way it was before the EC - is how it actually was for shepard the first time, when he did it for real. 
after EC - it is all infinite dream limbo. vague on details. )))

[CoolioThane]

demersel wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

It's an interesting idea, but I think it would take away from the importance of Harby's beam.

The minutes he's hit with the beam, that's when the hallucinations start imo

So doesn;t you agreeing that the transport crash is the start point for the hallucination take away from the importance of Harby's beam already? 

It's dubious. For me it can start at either place, but wherever the beginning of the hallucinations, I feel 
your theory takes away from that event.

[demersel]

CoolioThane wrote...

It's dubious. For me it can start at either place, but wherever the beginning of the hallucinations, I feel 
your theory takes away from that event.

Why do you feel that? That event is what knocked shepard into this limbo thing is the first place! It is extremly important. 

[Rifneno]

I still say Cronos wasn't real either. Nothing truly important happens there so it won't ****** everyone off to "take it back", and there was a ton wrong with it if you bothered to look.

[Restrider]

RavenEyry wrote...

OT edit: I'm gonna be naming xcom characters after ITers to see how well you do in the real world!

Really?

[dorktainian]

As I stated in my own 'Heros Journey' thread, i feel there is more to come. Starting with Shepards 'rebirth' in the rubble.

[Restrider]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Yes, by sleeping I meant in a scenario where Shepard is not under the threat of indoctrination and possibly trapped in his mind during the ending as you wrote but maybe chilling on some beach.

What I meant by trivial is that one should keep in mind that dream theories are in general always a possibility but they are, what mathematicians would call, the trivial interpretations.

But yes, I agree, in this particular scenario, where our Shep made one playthrough, 'finishes' ME1-ME3 once and then did secondary playthroughs, where the latter end up being hallucinatory scenarios it's fine.

However, the more I think about it, it's not really good either, because the way I see it, you need at least one playthrough to get your Shep to London to become trapped in his mind. And even in this first playthrough there remain oddities that would require a the whole trilogy being a hallucination. You see where I'm going with this? You always nees an initia, non-odd, bug free playthrough, which isn't possible (e.g. default M8 Avenger equipped bug in ME3).
So you come to the conclusion that in order to have a good interpretation that makes sense of ALL the inconcistencies, you need to claim that Shepard is always hallucinating a bit (random Predator pistol in some choices like how to deal with the Rachni queen in ME3). And if you claim that, then you don't really have that much of a need for a "Shepard is caught in his mind during the trilogy" interpretation anymore. Some things simply being an effect from ongoing indoc. attempts is enough then.

My god, why am I writing so much...
tl;dr: it's a possible interpretation but one only for the lulz.

Agreed.
If we assume that the first - and with that I mean non-dream - iteration is free of any inconsistencies that are present in all the playthroughs we can experience as a player, then the first iteration would've taken place outside of the narrative. This would leave the player only with dreams. And then we are again at the trivial interpretation.
If we assume that the first iteration - the real one - is our first playthrough, then it still has the same inconsistencies all the other playthroughs have. And this kind of does not work in my view.

[demersel]

dorktainian wrote...

As I stated in my own 'Heros Journey' thread, i feel there is more to come. Starting with Shepards 'rebirth' in the rubble.

I really feel that Shepard's rebirth in the rubble may potentially be one of the several Origin Stories in the upcoming next ME game. And the it would be the one only accessible via save import feature - with a shepard that picked destroy while having high ems. Save import will still be generally featured - since it isn't only about shepard, but also about the state things in the galaxy - so players who has chosen diffirently will still be able to import their save, but they will not be able to play as their Shepard, but perhaps will meet their Shepard at some point in the story as an antagonist. 

[Restrider]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see Banshee you sound like fem Shepard, but more of a Bastila voice when she was younger.

Also Blurr I use to read your post as you were Kadin.

And I assume I sound like Martin Sheen?? Nice...

And when I read those "..." I imagine you playing with your Whisky or having a drag on the cigarette.

Double nice...

[demersel]

GamerPoop is awesome. )

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...
And when I read those "..." I imagine you playing with your Whisky or having a drag on the cigarette.

Bill Casey's overuse of them makes me think he zones in and out of lucidity while talking, like mysterious prophets in various films.

Restrider wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

OT edit: I'm gonna be naming xcom characters after ITers to see how well you do in the real world!

Really?

Yeah, though you don't have a guy yet and I've stopped for now. Byne is currently the highest rank as befits our glorious leader.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

Aren't this infinite limbo of memories is where we all are at the moment in real life in regards of ME trilogy? Don't we all just remember it over and over again waiting for our chance to snap out of it and continue the fight? Don't we all agree here that nothing is over yet - reapers are still not defeated, but we can't actually do anything about it yet, except for hoping, and remembering some new deteals along the way - like missed dialogs or details or even entire mission - the DLCs?

They did promise us a new level of storytelling. This is exaclty what it is.

Think about it!  it is even consitent with Shepard's own reaction to the dreams in the game itself! 

In other words we are being indoctrinated. We are figuratively on the Citadel of our minds. lol

[dorktainian]

demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

As I stated in my own 'Heros Journey' thread, i feel there is more to come. Starting with Shepards 'rebirth' in the rubble.

I really feel that Shepard's rebirth in the rubble may potentially be one of the several Origin Stories in the upcoming next ME game. And the it would be the one only accessible via save import feature - with a shepard that picked destroy while having high ems. Save import will still be generally featured - since it isn't only about shepard, but also about the state things in the galaxy - so players who has chosen diffirently will still be able to import their save, but they will not be able to play as their Shepard, but perhaps will meet their Shepard at some point in the story as an antagonist. 

my comments come from the structure of story.  I have said in the past that actually the story is structured all wong and makes no sense at all.  You dont end the story in the middle of a book.  Wheres the conclusion?  Wheres the Hero's story?  Indoctrination ties into this nicely because when shep is 'reborn' he is free of  indoctrination.  that is why he is special, and that will allow him to lead us to victory.

[RavenEyry]

Example of good writing in ME3 #107

Before the elcor says 'not enough' at the end, he pauses to think of an emotion and can't.

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see Banshee you sound like fem Shepard, but more of a Bastila voice when she was younger.

Also Blurr I use to read your post as you were Kadin.

And I assume I sound like Martin Sheen?? Nice...

And when I read those "..." I imagine you playing with your Whisky or having a drag on the cigarette.

Double nice...

I can do Harbinger's voice.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 décembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[demersel]

dorktainian wrote...
my comments come from the structure of story.  I have said in the past that actually the story is structured all wong and makes no sense at all.  You dont end the story in the middle of a book.  Wheres the conclusion?  Wheres the Hero's story?  Indoctrination ties into this nicely because when shep is 'reborn' he is free of  indoctrination.  that is why he is special, and that will allow him to lead us to victory.

I agree with everything you said. 

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

Example of good writing in ME3 #107

Before the elcor says 'not enough' at the end, he pauses to think of an emotion and can't.

Is it just me or the elcor on Omega is more emotional than his species used to be.

[paxxton]

Pfff, I watched that video. I thought we could land on Dekuuna and explore. Instead we can only use the scanner to complete the quest. //sad face