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#60851
Andromidius

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MegumiAzusa wrote...
You people do fall under the second category as you try to avoid using logic to connect things but believes.


I see you didn't take my advice.  How's that rash getting on for you?

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MegumiAzusa

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CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I don't really get the outside view of IT. We believe Bioware have made a fantastic ending worthy of Mass Effect, but people say we hate them. It's ignorant and pathetic


Its a reversal technique of criticism.  Giving someone you disagree with the opposite attibutes that they actually have.  Example:

Intellectually open minded = Close minded crazies
Logical debaters = Religious zealots
Admirers of high art = Haters of 'low art'

Etc.

You people do fall under the second category as you try to avoid using logic to connect things but believes.


Wrong. In a sense we joke about it like the holy trinity= Indoctrinated eyes, and hey literalist use Religion, so why can't we.

Joking about it doesn't matter if you use it willingly or not. I presented a complete logical conclusion why the EC does not grant IT what it should have, and all arguments people brought up were believes "if ridiculous x happens then it could all fit" instead of even trying to use logic.


Then why are you still ****ing here?

Because so long as IT doesn't account for something of what is happening it has no real merit. Which is a problem for a theory that wants to fit with what we have.

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I don't really get the outside view of IT. We believe Bioware have made a fantastic ending worthy of Mass Effect, but people say we hate them. It's ignorant and pathetic


Ok so you think they made a worthy ending that is fantastic.
Well that answers that, the ending is fantastic and finished.


Yep.


Then why do you guys want it to be revealed even though Bioware said they won't be adding to the endings and Shepard's story is over.
You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?

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MegumiAzusa

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Andromidius wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
You people do fall under the second category as you try to avoid using logic to connect things but believes.


I see you didn't take my advice.  How's that rash getting on for you?

I see you like personal insults :3

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I'm an open minded in-betweener like LDS :(

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TheProtheans wrote...
You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?

Why, would you rather people felt bad?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...


Because so long as IT doesn't account for something of what is happening it has no real merit. Which is a problem for a theory that wants to fit with what we have.


So you want to constantly whinge at us and not let us discuss something?

Just stay away from the thread, you obviously don't agree with IT.

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Hanako Ikezawa

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Flashbangs and flares?

"Following a typical nightmare pattern, I had to get to a lighthouse, for some urgent reason I couldn't remember."

I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't seen Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood so if you're curious about what Raistlin Majare 1992 and I are referring to with flashbangs and flares I'll PM you.

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TheProtheans

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RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?

Why, would you rather people felt bad?


Would you?

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CoolioThane

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www.youtube.com/watch

 Enjoy the silence

Modifié par CoolioThane, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:42 .


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DoomsdayDevice

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I don't really get the outside view of IT. We believe Bioware have made a fantastic ending worthy of Mass Effect, but people say we hate them. It's ignorant and pathetic


Its a reversal technique of criticism.  Giving someone you disagree with the opposite attibutes that they actually have.  Example:

Intellectually open minded = Close minded crazies
Logical debaters = Religious zealots
Admirers of high art = Haters of 'low art'

Etc.

You people do fall under the second category as you try to avoid using logic to connect things but believes.


Yes, 'you people'. All of us!

Look, the scientific method is all fine and dandy, but go ahead and try to use it to interpret literature or cinema. At some point you're going to have to take a look at symbology, foreshadowing, analogies, metaphors. Science says you can't take any of that into account, because you can't be sure of the artist's intentions without word of god.

I'm looking forward to you having something positive to contribute for a change.

Word of god in this case says both are valid which you also ignore. I also said BW made a mistake with the EC, which IT doesn't account for.
Also I contributed much more "positive" stuff then most people here so I see no need to justify my view with more "positive" stuff.


You have contributed a lot in the past. That doesn't change the fact that nowadays, whenever you come into the thread, you are being all negative towards almost everyone and cause the entire thread to fall into pointless argument.

And I don't 'ignore' what word of god says, I don't believe it. For good reasons. They've been completely unreliable so far, and if what I'm taking away from the game is correct, they have a good reason to lie to us.

They want us to go through the experience that Shepard is dead.  "No more Shepard", says the PR. It's all just strategy to blow us away when they finally pull the curtain and reveal the return of Shepard in ME4.

If you don't believe that, I can understand it. I won't hold it against you at all.

I'm just saying, if you think you're helping by acting the way you do: you're not.

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RavenEyry

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TheProtheans wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?

Why, would you rather people felt bad?


Would you?

No of course not. I don't enjoy the pain of others as many on this forum appear to.

#60863
Hanako Ikezawa

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AresKeith wrote...

I'm an open minded in-betweener like LDS :(

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DoomsdayDevice

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Flashbangs and flares?

"Following a typical nightmare pattern, I had to get to a lighthouse, for some urgent reason I couldn't remember."

I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't seen Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood so if you're curious about what Raistlin Majare 1992 and I are referring to with flashbangs and flares I'll PM you.


Nah man, I thought you were talking about Alan Wake. (One of my all-time favourite games)

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I don't really follow everyone elses theories on IT, I just generally hoped it was true at the start, then lost faith and now I just imagine it to be true and I consider it to be my canon anyway.

I am playing through ME3 again for the first time atm, after playing ME1 and 2 over the last few weeks. I have only done the intro so far, still on Earth, and I have convinced myself again!


....it is ventboy! The way he acts, I am convinced he is not real . "you cannot help me"....that line. It is either incredibly well written, or incredibly incompetently written.

#60866
ElSuperGecko

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TheProtheans wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
Ok so you think they made a worthy ending that is fantastic.
Well that answers that, the ending is fantastic and finished.

Yep.

Then why do you guys want it to be revealed even though Bioware said they won't be adding to the endings and Shepard's story is over.


Some want an absolute revelation by Bioware, one way or another, some don't.  Some want more context for the endings and the ending decisions, some are happy with what they've got.  Everyone's got an interpretation, and an opinion.

You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?


Yep.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:47 .


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TheProtheans

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RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?

Why, would you rather people felt bad?


Would you?

No of course not. I don't enjoy the pain of others as many on this forum appear to.


How about you answer the question then.
You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?

#60868
MegumiAzusa

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CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Because so long as IT doesn't account for something of what is happening it has no real merit. Which is a problem for a theory that wants to fit with what we have.


So you want to constantly whinge at us and not let us discuss something?

Just stay away from the thread, you obviously don't agree with IT.

Do you just look in posts to insult or do you really read them? I wrote several times I agree with the IT, but there have to be some changes from what it is now to still make sense with the EC.

#60869
CoolioThane

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Ahem, you THINK will never be answered. Please, you pretentious so and so

#60870
Hanako Ikezawa

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Flashbangs and flares?

"Following a typical nightmare pattern, I had to get to a lighthouse, for some urgent reason I couldn't remember."

I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't seen Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood so if you're curious about what Raistlin Majare 1992 and I are referring to with flashbangs and flares I'll PM you.


Nah man, I thought you were talking about Alan Wake. (One of my all-time favourite games)

All right, if you ever change your mind let me know. As it stands, I actually like him in my sig more than as my avatar so I'm content.

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MegumiAzusa

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I don't really get the outside view of IT. We believe Bioware have made a fantastic ending worthy of Mass Effect, but people say we hate them. It's ignorant and pathetic


Its a reversal technique of criticism.  Giving someone you disagree with the opposite attibutes that they actually have.  Example:

Intellectually open minded = Close minded crazies
Logical debaters = Religious zealots
Admirers of high art = Haters of 'low art'

Etc.

You people do fall under the second category as you try to avoid using logic to connect things but believes.


Yes, 'you people'. All of us!

Look, the scientific method is all fine and dandy, but go ahead and try to use it to interpret literature or cinema. At some point you're going to have to take a look at symbology, foreshadowing, analogies, metaphors. Science says you can't take any of that into account, because you can't be sure of the artist's intentions without word of god.

I'm looking forward to you having something positive to contribute for a change.

Word of god in this case says both are valid which you also ignore. I also said BW made a mistake with the EC, which IT doesn't account for.
Also I contributed much more "positive" stuff then most people here so I see no need to justify my view with more "positive" stuff.


You have contributed a lot in the past. That doesn't change the fact that nowadays, whenever you come into the thread, you are being all negative towards almost everyone and cause the entire thread to fall into pointless argument.

And I don't 'ignore' what word of god says, I don't believe it. For good reasons. They've been completely unreliable so far, and if what I'm taking away from the game is correct, they have a good reason to lie to us.

They want us to go through the experience that Shepard is dead.  "No more Shepard", says the PR. It's all just strategy to blow us away when they finally pull the curtain and reveal the return of Shepard in ME4.

If you don't believe that, I can understand it. I won't hold it against you at all.

I'm just saying, if you think you're helping by acting the way you do: you're not.

Yeah, or they just do what the fans want instead of their original intentions.

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TheProtheans wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?

Why, would you rather people felt bad?


Would you?

No of course not. I don't enjoy the pain of others as many on this forum appear to.


How about you answer the question then.
You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?


I will like this so much....wait...wait THAT IT IS A CLIFFHANGER IS JUST YOUR ****ING BELIEF
This makes me feel good, btw feel good....this is rather strange, this can be misunderstood

Modifié par archangel1996, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:51 .


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CoolioThane wrote...

Ahem, you THINK will never be answered. Please, you pretentious so and so

That sentence doesn't even make sense.

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CoolioThane

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Because so long as IT doesn't account for something of what is happening it has no real merit. Which is a problem for a theory that wants to fit with what we have.


So you want to constantly whinge at us and not let us discuss something?

Just stay away from the thread, you obviously don't agree with IT.

Do you just look in posts to insult or do you really read them? I wrote several times I agree with the IT, but there have to be some changes from what it is now to still make sense with the EC.


You said you don't believe in IT since the EC. All you do now is act like daddy's taken away your favourite toy and start arguments over nothing. It just makes you seem like a ****. We'd rather discuss, and everything was fine and dandy before you and Prothe**** got in.

I'll tell you again, just stop. If you have nothing constructive to say DON'T SAY ANYTHING.

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RavenEyry

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TheProtheans wrote...

You have a cliff hanger that will never be answered, does that make you feel good?

Why do you care?