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[GethPrimeMKII]

Finally playing ME1 on the PS3 and the absolutely craptastic combat system makes me appreciate ME2 and ME3's combat system.

[IronSabbath88]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Finally playing ME1 on the PS3 and the absolutely craptastic combat system makes me appreciate ME2 and ME3's combat system.

GO GO GO!

ENEMIES ARE EVERYWHERE!

I WILL DESTROY YOU!

[Restrider]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Restrider...possible for sure, but I don't know if you can say they're the same definitively

Of course you cannot say that definitively. But you have to consider the sheer coincidence of the same sky setting of two garden worlds that are shown to us in a short amount of time.
Granted, this sky setting is also present in Jacob's loyalty mission. You could argue along the lines that the overlap between Aeia's sky setting and that of the garden world the Normandy crash lands at the end of ME3 to be coincidence or inteded (something like Shepard has seen hat scenery and now it is also shown in a the hallucination/dream). To not know for certain here, is reasonable.
But to assume that two worlds sharing the same sky setting in a fictional creation - shown to us in consecution - are not one and the same, is unlikely.
Of course there is no proof, but it is implied that these two worlds are the same.
And thus you have to either say that both scenes taking place on this planet are either real or taking place in a hallucinatory state. There is no in-between here. At least I cannot see it.

[N7L4D]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Finally playing ME1 on the PS3 and the absolutely craptastic combat system makes me appreciate ME2 and ME3's combat system.

GO GO GO!

ENEMIES ARE EVERYWHERE!

I WILL DESTROY YOU!

HOLD THE LINE!

[Eryri]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Finally playing ME1 on the PS3 and the absolutely craptastic combat system makes me appreciate ME2 and ME3's combat system.

How's the framerate and graphics for ME1 on the PS3? I'm thinking of getting the trilogy set, but the demo of ME3 was very juddery.

[Restrider]

Somehow depressing...
Pages after pages of rather menial discussion (for me at least) with a large chunk of the community. Then a debate about the meaning of the stargazer scene that - though discussed in a rather civil manner - really did not solve anything in that regard.
And now I bring up a good point - in my view at least, heh - and only a small part of posters is active right now.
Well, I am out for today, but I'll make sure that this discussion does not get swept away like otter's garden world/sinister forest comparision.

Modifié par Restrider, 06 décembre 2012 - 11:25 .

[IronSabbath88]

Restrider wrote...

Somehow depressing...
Pages after pages of rather menial discussion (for me at least) with a large chunk of the community. Then a debate about the meaning of the stargazer scene that - though discussed in a rather civil manner - really did not solve anything in that regard.
And now I bring up a good point - in my view at least, heh - and only a small part of posters is active right now.
Well, I am out for today, but I'll make sure that this does discussion does not get swept away like otter's garden world/sinister forest comparision.

I know what you mean, I just made two pretty good points at the end of the last page and they'll probably be lost in the fray.

Ah well, it is what it is. This topic moves pretty fast.

[byne]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Finally playing ME1 on the PS3 and the absolutely craptastic combat system makes me appreciate ME2 and ME3's combat system.

I kind of miss the 'just aim in the general direction of the enemies and it'll work out' way the guns worked in ME1.

Plus, nothing will ever beat the HMWA X with Frictionless materials. Use a kinetic coil and kinetic exoskeletons and you've got a strong assault rifle with pinpoint accuracy that never needs to stop firing.

I kinda wanna play ME1 now...

[GethPrimeMKII]

Eryri wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Finally playing ME1 on the PS3 and the absolutely craptastic combat system makes me appreciate ME2 and ME3's combat system.

How's the framerate and graphics for ME1 on the PS3? I'm thinking of getting the trilogy set, but the demo of ME3 was very juddery.

It actually looks fairly good. I can definitely tell they did touch up the graphics. 

[Eryri]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Somehow depressing...
Pages after pages of rather menial discussion (for me at least) with a large chunk of the community. Then a debate about the meaning of the stargazer scene that - though discussed in a rather civil manner - really did not solve anything in that regard.
And now I bring up a good point - in my view at least, heh - and only a small part of posters is active right now.
Well, I am out for today, but I'll make sure that this does discussion does not get swept away like otter's garden world/sinister forest comparision.

I know what you mean, I just made two pretty good points at the end of the last page and they'll probably be lost in the fray.

Ah well, it is what it is. This topic moves pretty fast.

@Restrider and IronSabbath88 - I read your posts and they were very good points. Unfortunately it's sometimes easier to think of responses to something you disagree with. 

[Eryri]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

It actually looks fairly good. I can definitely tell they did touch up the graphics. 

Good to know, thanks. Is Bring down the sky included on the disk?

[cavs25]

You know, for me and most fans it's not even ALL about indoctrination theory coming true, or even Shepard surviving. It's about the ENDING MAKING SENSE. What do people not get about that? For someone who has played all 3 Mass Effect games from the start, spent countless hours doing multiple playthroughs and every DLC connecting the stories together, I just want an ending that makes sense within the context of the universe.

What we have now is one big failure in regards to what we've been told throughout the series. We have SEEN synthesis firsthand in Saren Arterius and David Archer. It has NEVER been a good thing. Ever. We've firsthand seen organics and synthetics co-exist peacefully, not just the Geth & Quarians but EDI and Shepard/the crew aswell! We've been shown that by all accounts The Illusive Man is an egomaniac with some sick fascination in understanding the enemy who has been destroying the very people he's sworn himself to protect and have the best interest in, yet CONTROL is a viable option?

Nevermind the fact that the people who DO have the best interests of the galaxy in mind (Anderson, Hackett, etc.) aren't interested in hearing any other explanations other than destroying the reapers. Shall we mention how sick keeping the reapers around or having some of their essence inside you when they may have very well destroyed someone's families? WHY would someone want to live with themselves after that? That's not Shepard being a hero, that's Shepard being a monster.

Oh, and I'm sure Javik would LOVE to become part synthetic and/or keep the reapers around, I mean they only massacred his entire race after all and doomed him to a life of solitude. Yeah, he's totally game for that.

In general, I just want an ending that makes me go "YES! THIS is how Mass Effect should end!" whether or not it involves indoctrination, IT or anything of that sense. I want to know Harbinger had some grand scheme, and there's been some damn good things to come out of the woodwork lately, including:

- Harbinger actually BEING the intelligence referred to by Leviathan

- Cerberus building a new human reaper, being used by the reapers to do the same purpose the Collectors were doing

These are both awesome reveals that I'm sure the fanbase would absolutely love, and for me, would reinvigorate my love of the series.

But to really think those endings do justice to the context of the Mass Effect universe... I just can't get that way of thinking. Especially when from what we've seen, the endings are very suspect in a lot of places... something is DEFINITELY not right.

This right here
I am tired of all the bickering...This isn't a cult or a religion, and I'm tired of all the condensceding drones that troll this thread 
I hate people who impose their view on others,and can't handle a different oppinion and when they see somebody who disagrees they lose it (That goes for both sides)

Modifié par cavs25, 06 décembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

Eryri wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

It actually looks fairly good. I can definitely tell they did touch up the graphics. 

Good to know, thanks. Is Bring down the sky included on the disk?

Yeah. I'm playing it as we speak.

[MegumiAzusa]

Eryri wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...


- The refuse stargazer scene is different because Shepard knows (s)he didn't save this cycle.
- The three regular stargazer scenes are identical because in every ending, Shepard believes (or is made to believe) (s)he saved this cycle/ended the Reaper threat.

BUMP

Another way-out, but enjoyable theory, is the stargazer and his grandson are blissfully unaware that they are merely self-aware sub-programs running in the wetware of a new reaper. Their idillic little planet is just a pleasant version of the matrix to keep their conscious minds placid, while their subconscious minds comprise the gestalt intellect of the reaper.

There's no great evidence for this theory, and I can't remember who came up with it, but it appeals to my love of mind****ery. EDIT: Actually I think it might have been BleedingUranium's idea?

On another different but related topic - if the EC and refuse ending as we currently know them really were unplanned bandaids to quell fan outrage, I wonder if Bioware will strike them from canon as they did with the botched Deception novel, if and when the "true" ending is revealed?

I find it interesting that the EC is not included by default in the Trilogy pack (although it is in the WiiU version which now that I think of it, counts against this idea a bit).

The part of the Reaper idea was tossed around several times, and was jokingly attached to the cut monolog from the derelict Reaper in ME2. Still that would just be more trolling from BW then anything if that would be the case.

[MegumiAzusa]

Restrider wrote...

Eryri wrote..

Another way-out, but enjoyable theory, is the stargazer and his grandson are blissfully unaware that they are merely self-aware sub-programs running in the wetware of a new reaper. Their idillic little planet is just a pleasant version of the matrix to keep their conscious minds placid, while their subconscious minds comprise the gestalt intellect of the reaper.

There's no great evidence for this theory, and I can't remember who came up with it, but it appeals to my love of mind****ery. EDIT: Actually I think it might have been BleedingUranium's idea?

On another different but related topic - if the EC and refuse ending as we currently know them really were unplanned bandaids to quell fan outrage, I wonder if Bioware will strike them from canon as they did with the botched Deception novel, if and when the "true" ending is revealed?

I find it interesting that the EC is not included by default in the Trilogy pack (although it is in the WiiU version which now that I think of it, counts against this idea a bit). 

I have one remark to make:
It is one common interpretation amongst ITers to assume that the slideshows are part of the hallucination - something like Shepard's mind justifying his decision and showing him a future with hope.
Furthermore it is considered that the Normandy crash-landing on that garden world is also part of this hallucination, to give him closure regarding his closest friends and LI (I'd like to mention otter's interpretation that the garden world and the sinister forest of Shepard's dreams are antagonizing scenery - a shame that his posts were utterly ignored during the troll-fest and internal bickering).



Now, it is obvious that the garden world - where all stargazer scenes take place - have a familiar sky setting. I think it is save to assume that these planets are indeed identical.



If we assume that the first time this planet is shown to us is during a hallucinatory state, then the second time we see this planet - namely the stargazer scene - should be also part of a hallucination. If we assume this, what meaning does the stargazer scene actually have for the real world? None...?

Again, this is my personal interpretation.

Apart from the fact that the EC slides play after the planet and on low EMS Shep dies at the moment the Normandy door opens. Again the EC breaks it.

[paxxton]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Finally playing ME1 on the PS3 and the absolutely craptastic combat system makes me appreciate ME2 and ME3's combat system.

Honestly, ME2 has an awful (and even more annoying) combat system. Exhaustion makes it almost impossible to evade enemy fire while moving from cover to cover. Plus, the minianimation that are triggered during combat virtually ruin everything.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 décembre 2012 - 12:14 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

So, are you here for any other reason that to repeatedly state over and over that "it won't be changed"?

BioWare has said NUMEROUS things in the past. Everything ranging from denying Arrival and such when it was leaked for ME2. That said, I personally don't feel changing the ending is the same as an expansion on the ending.

I know, right?  Especially when it comes to how things would play out in ME3, BW hasn't just told a few little white lies, they've told more bald face lies than they have told the truth.  But now all of a sudden, we can trust things that they say absolutely.  There's no chance that they're lying now, because they're saying something the literalists want to believe.  And it's not even the real writers, it's most or all community relations people who almost certainly aren't in the loop.

But I suppose this ******-poor pattern recognition is part of why they're literalists to begin with.

BW lies about stuff. BW sais IT is a valid interpretation.
QED

[hukbum]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

... low EMS Shep ...

Not this again ...

[IronSabbath88]

Low EMS Shepard sucks and shouldn't even be used as evidence. If THAT was the best someone could honestly do in this game (not on purpose) then why did they even bother?

There I said it.

[archangel1996]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

So, are you here for any other reason that to repeatedly state over and over that "it won't be changed"?

BioWare has said NUMEROUS things in the past. Everything ranging from denying Arrival and such when it was leaked for ME2. That said, I personally don't feel changing the ending is the same as an expansion on the ending.

I know, right?  Especially when it comes to how things would play out in ME3, BW hasn't just told a few little white lies, they've told more bald face lies than they have told the truth.  But now all of a sudden, we can trust things that they say absolutely.  There's no chance that they're lying now, because they're saying something the literalists want to believe.  And it's not even the real writers, it's most or all community relations people who almost certainly aren't in the loop.

But I suppose this ******-poor pattern recognition is part of why they're literalists to begin with.

BW lies about stuff. BW sais IT is a valid interpretation.
QED

Wait a momeent...she is the one who wants to find a solution, isn't she?

[MegumiAzusa]

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...
So, are you here for any other reason that to repeatedly state over and over that "it won't be changed"?
BioWare has said NUMEROUS things in the past. Everything ranging from denying Arrival and such when it was leaked for ME2. That said, I personally don't feel changing the ending is the same as an expansion on the ending.

I know, right?  Especially when it comes to how things would play out in ME3, BW hasn't just told a few little white lies, they've told more bald face lies than they have told the truth.  But now all of a sudden, we can trust things that they say absolutely.  There's no chance that they're lying now, because they're saying something the literalists want to believe.  And it's not even the real writers, it's most or all community relations people who almost certainly aren't in the loop.

But I suppose this ******-poor pattern recognition is part of why they're literalists to begin with.

If Bioware ever says something, it is 95% the complete opposite. When they said "No ABC endings" we got ABC endings. When they said "No new endings" in the EC, we got a new ending. When they dropped the Alternate appearance pack for our squad, they alluded to it being used in Omega. But no, we couldn't use it because no squadmates were allowed.

Remember- Whatever they say, the opposite happens. Those jokesters.

There is still the Cerberus outfit for Shep in there too. People seem to forget that...

[archangel1996]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Low EMS Shepard sucks and shouldn't even be used as evidence. If THAT was the best someone could honestly do in this game (not on purpose) then why did they even bother?

There I said it.

It's like Shep's death in ME2.....i tried and i didn't succeed

[IronSabbath88]

archangel1996 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Low EMS Shepard sucks and shouldn't even be used as evidence. If THAT was the best someone could honestly do in this game (not on purpose) then why did they even bother?

There I said it.

It's like Shep's death in ME2.....i tried and i didn't succeed

Exactly, nobody is going to be that dumb on happenstance. The only way Shepard can die in ME2 is if you TRY to do that. Same deal with ME3.

Modifié par IronSabbath88, 07 décembre 2012 - 12:23 .

[401 Kill]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Low EMS Shepard sucks and shouldn't even be used as evidence. If THAT was the best someone could honestly do in this game (not on purpose) then why did they even bother?

There I said it.

Remember, you can't even get synthesis! Presumably because the Reapers are dissapointed in Shepard not living up to their standards, so it isn't even worth it.


Edit: Top! I also read your post from 2 pages ago when you made it. It is one of the greatest posts I have seen in a while.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 07 décembre 2012 - 12:27 .

[AresKeith]

If you have low EMS your doing it wrong lol

I still consider the EMS system to be very flawed