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MegumiAzusa

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

High EMS is a dream.
???

@TJ Actually, I don't think you missed any of it. I've been trying to understand Megumi and utterly failing today...

One time people say it's a dream, the other time people say the stargazer thingy is the same planet. As the stargazer scene cannot be a dream as evidenced by low EMS you cannot have both.

btw fix your quotes... it's highly annoying.

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BansheeOwnage

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

DD how about using url instead of img for 3+ pictures?

How about you shut the **** up and let us enjoy ourselves?

Sincerely,

Genuinely pissed-off Banshee

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BansheeOwnage

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I'm saying Shep dies at exactly that point in low EMS.

That's simply specualtion. You say it as though it were fact.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw fix your quotes... it's highly annoying.

Says the pyramid king ...

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I'm saying Shep dies at exactly that point in low EMS.


Okay so what? Everyone believes Shepard dies at low EMS. How does that affect IT? :huh:

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DD how about using url instead of img for 3+ pictures?

How about you shut the **** up and let us enjoy ourselves?

Sincerely,

Genuinely pissed-off Banshee

I was just saying, no need to get pissy just because you don't like it.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I'm saying Shep dies at exactly that point in low EMS.

That's simply specualtion. You say it as though it were fact.

It's more implied ingame and from the files then ANYTHING from the IT.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

High EMS is a dream.
???

@TJ Actually, I don't think you missed any of it. I've been trying to understand Megumi and utterly failing today...

One time people say it's a dream, the other time people say the stargazer thingy is the same planet. As the stargazer scene cannot be a dream as evidenced by low EMS you cannot have both.

How does low EMS prove it's real? Also, since we have, you know, multiple people on this thread, interpretations will surely differ. How can you belittle us for not seeing that scene the same way?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DD how about using url instead of img for 3+ pictures?

How about you shut the **** up and let us enjoy ourselves?

Sincerely,

Genuinely pissed-off Banshee


http://t0.gstatic.co...AE_M1YRJG <---- BansheeOwnage at this moment.

 All jokes aside...

@Banshee - I feel you need to calm down. Megumi has done nothing wrong and is entitled to his/her opinion. It's not like he/she is intentionally trolling like some people that have come and posted in this thread. 

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I'm saying Shep dies at exactly that point in low EMS.

That's simply specualtion. You say it as though it were fact.

It's more implied ingame and from the files then ANYTHING from the IT.

And it's still what it is. Your interpretation. And it changes nothing.

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I knew some people wouldn't appreciate it. :lol:

Sorry you had to suffer that, Meg. Twice, even.

I will, next time. :kissing:

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

One time people say it's a dream, the other time people say the stargazer thingy is the same planet. As the stargazer scene cannot be a dream as evidenced by low EMS you cannot have both.

How does low EMS prove it's real? Also, since we have, you know, multiple people on this thread, interpretations will surely differ. How can you belittle us for not seeing that scene the same way?


 You would think that having all the cinematics being the same (as in the Normandy cinematic for example) with only variations in characters / where it cuts to black, would suggest it is more dream than anything.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DD how about using url instead of img for 3+ pictures?

How about you shut the **** up and let us enjoy ourselves?

Sincerely,

Genuinely pissed-off Banshee


http://t0.gstatic.co...AE_M1YRJG <---- BansheeOwnage at this moment.

 All jokes aside...

@Banshee - I feel you need to calm down. Megumi has done nothing wrong and is entitled to his/her opinion. It's not like he/she is intentionally trolling like some people that have come and posted in this thread. 

Posted Image Hoped someone would get it. See? I even make jokes when I'm angry! And I don't get angry easily. Annoyed? Sure. But I usually get angry if repetition is involved.

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I'm going to make a crazy suggestion. Maybe the only time we can assume the Stargazer scene is real is Breath Scene Destroy since it's the only ending in which we see the SG scene after Shepard awakens.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

One time people say it's a dream, the other time people say the stargazer thingy is the same planet. As the stargazer scene cannot be a dream as evidenced by low EMS you cannot have both.

How does low EMS prove it's real? Also, since we have, you know, multiple people on this thread, interpretations will surely differ. How can you belittle us for not seeing that scene the same way?


 You would think that having all the cinematics being the same (as in the Normandy cinematic for example) with only variations in characters / where it cuts to black, would suggest it is more dream than anything.

Even after waking up the same stargazer scene plays, therefor it's real, because sooner or later all choices you do lead to this, but if you choose opt out (again if it were not then no new scene would be there in the first place). You just cannot have it a dream planet once and then a real planet. One of these assumptions are wrong and direct evidence from the game and files say it's real or not the same planet.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:33 .


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paxxton wrote...

OT: The next Doctor? https://twitter.com/...825332848418816


That's awesome! :o

Seriously, Mark Meer is one lucky actor! :P

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Even after waking up the same stargazer scene plays, therefor it's real, because sooner or later all choices you do lead to this, but if you choose opt out (again if it were not then no new scene would be there in the first place). You just cannot have it a dream planet once and then a real planet. One of these assumptions are wrong and direct evidence from the game and files say it's real.


You know what's funny. By using your assumptions, it is more logical to assume the entire ME universe is a sham. The entire trilogy was a story being told by a grandfather to grandson much like J.R. Tolkein did. The refuse version is explained away as another one of the grandfather's stories.  

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Even after waking up the same stargazer scene plays, therefor it's real, because sooner or later all choices you do lead to this, but if you choose opt out (again if it were not then no new scene would be there in the first place). You just cannot have it a dream planet once and then a real planet. One of these assumptions are wrong and direct evidence from the game and files say it's real or not the same planet.

Sorry, I'm still confused :/ Do you think the Normandy crash is real?

1. They could both be fake; they could both be real. Unlikely but possible.
2. Saying it must be real because it has variation is like saying synthesis is real because it's different than destroy. If it's all in Shepard's head (and I'm fairly neutral about if the SG scene is real) then why can't it change?

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TJBartlemus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Even after waking up the same stargazer scene plays, therefor it's real, because sooner or later all choices you do lead to this, but if you choose opt out (again if it were not then no new scene would be there in the first place). You just cannot have it a dream planet once and then a real planet. One of these assumptions are wrong and direct evidence from the game and files say it's real.


You know what's funny. By using your assumptions, it is more logical to assume the entire ME universe is a sham. The entire trilogy was a story being told by a grandfather to grandson much like J.R. Tolkein did. The refuse version is explained away as another one of the grandfather's stories.

No. It's a legend (as the datapad says, and the namings everywhere else). And you know what legends include? At least some kind of truth. And Opt Out even mentions archives, which I don't think is a pointer to a library of fairytales.

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Um, did anyone take the time to stop arguing and read my post?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Even after waking up the same stargazer scene plays, therefor it's real, because sooner or later all choices you do lead to this, but if you choose opt out (again if it were not then no new scene would be there in the first place). You just cannot have it a dream planet once and then a real planet. One of these assumptions are wrong and direct evidence from the game and files say it's real or not the same planet.

Sorry, I'm still confused :/ Do you think the Normandy crash is real?

1. They could both be fake; they could both be real. Unlikely but possible.
2. Saying it must be real because it has variation is like saying synthesis is real because it's different than destroy. If it's all in Shepard's head (and I'm fairly neutral about if the SG scene is real) then why can't it change?

1. Yes, but as Shep dies first, or wakes up, it doesn't make any sense for it being a dream, as said multiple times.
2. It does change, but only if you decide not to use the Crucible. Therefor the have the combination of no change regardless of EMS but the certainty that the Crucible has been activated in the case of destroy, control, and synthesis. It wouldn't make sense for Shepard being indoctrinated having a lesser effect on it then Shepard just dying. Shep being indoctrinated would have at least the Opt Out epilog as a result, but it has not.
As said, all these problems and implications were only introduced with the EC and were perfectly fine before.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Even after waking up the same stargazer scene plays, therefor it's real, because sooner or later all choices you do lead to this, but if you choose opt out (again if it were not then no new scene would be there in the first place). You just cannot have it a dream planet once and then a real planet. One of these assumptions are wrong and direct evidence from the game and files say it's real.


You know what's funny. By using your assumptions, it is more logical to assume the entire ME universe is a sham. The entire trilogy was a story being told by a grandfather to grandson much like J.R. Tolkein did. The refuse version is explained away as another one of the grandfather's stories.

No. It's a legend (as the datapad says, and the namings everywhere else). And you know what legends include? At least some kind of truth. And Opt Out even mentions archives, which I don't think is a pointer to a library of fairytales.


So the ending datapad (equivalent to an extention to the ending credits) is now proof. Who knew? No, we've done away of using that as definite proof. As to "archives" ... if it's a story by the grandfather than it doesn't matter.

(positions rook to B5) You're move. ;)

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Dwailing wrote...

Um, did anyone take the time to stop arguing and read my post?

And low EMS destroy because Shep is since long dead. Point being it's real in any case.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

So the ending datapad (equivalent to an extention to the ending credits) is now proof. Who knew? No, we've done away of using that as definite proof. As to "archives" ... if it's a story by the grandfather than it doesn't matter.

(positions rook to B5) You're move. ;)


You are move indeed.

I always found the idea that somehow a 4th-wall breaking message counts as proof one way or another to be pretty weird.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


Did you see my video?


Yeah! Loved it, of course! :D

What video?

This video is mine!
For anyone who missed it. :)

That was epic.


And I mean that.

:D Thanks. By the way, I know it was hard to hear, so I'll explain the Harbinger thing at the end of the video. We all know he's been... interested in Shepard for quite some time. So, he wrote her/him a poem! Posted Image

Seriously, it does rhyme. (I know it sucks.)

Shepard: ಠಠಠ_ಠಠಠ

Your species has the attention of those infinitely your greater
We are the beginning, you will be the end
You are called; you must answer
You insult a future you cannot comprehend

One must not destroy the nation
You are the one wasting lives
The void awaits your ascension
Organic life will not survive

ಠಠಠ_ಠಠಠ
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Oh wow, I didn't realize/notice it rhymed! :o

Great job!