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MegumiAzusa wrote...

And how is that different from the things people say toward me? "uh noes, you bring up a point we don't want to discuss because we don't want to think, but rather discuss things that are clearly pro IT and need no discussion".
In one case it's fine in the other it's not? Did you see me complaining about that until now? If I would call people with the names I get called here because of it imbeciles would fit quite good.

Maybe it's because you ignore just everything that doesn't fit and repead yourself over and over again?
If your mission of today is "I prove IT wrong", go out there, make your topic and discuss. Here you've been shown many stuff against your line of thought and you won't change it by starting the discussion all over again.
And when I wrote "am I talking to a wall???" it was because we had that discussion 10 pages back. And yes I felt like talking to a wall, guess why.

You want low EMS and that advertising Datapad to fit into IT?
Good, do it yourself, because: Who cares about low EMS?

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paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.

You actually can. You see these "rails". The one pointing towards the center show the area which upon entering there is no turning back. As long as you don't enter that area you can turn back.

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And to add you could get the male stargazer scene without the EC attached

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Really, Megumi, at this point you're just being rude and negative. Maybe you should lay off and just give Banshee a little credit for such a cool video? Or at least stop being such a nitpicker.

So it's perfectly fine when people say to me that I should go, and worse, but me saying anything is totally evil. Yeah, I'm just pure evil.
I was being attacked for no reasons way before just because I said, in their eyes, bad things about IT, but uh noes, how can someone do such evil.


Meg what's up with you? Nobody called you pure evil? Tell me what's up. Did something happen in your personal life. Just calm down you remind me when church got Angry at everyone in this season of Red vs. Blue.

How about the hypocracy that's going on here and the resulting name calling which is perfectly fine as long as I don't say anything back. That's what's up.


Excuse me ma'am, I think you may have dropped this
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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.


Your avatar is just utterly horrifying.

Synthesis didn't end well for Shepard. Posted Image 

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Megumi, it's not about IT for me. You come off like your only purpose in life is to tell others they're doing everything wrong, even to the point of being mean or rude to people who have never called you names or said bad things about you. Even in cases where that shouldn't even matter, like when people just want to share some fun stuff they made, and a normal person would simply ignore it if he didn't like it.

To me it just seems like you're intentionally pushing buttons. If you're not doing it intentionally, then I think your social skills really need some polishing.

How is anyone ever going to be sympathetic towards the ideas you bring up, if you constantly feel the need to be vengeful or antagonistic about things? I can't imagine it gets you great results.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 07 décembre 2012 - 03:55 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

These recent pages are why I barely post these days.

I wish we could move on from this nonsense.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.

You actually can. You see these "rails". The one pointing towards the center show the area which upon entering there is no turning back. As long as you don't enter that area you can turn back.

Still there is that line of no return.

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Synthesis stargazer


"Did that all really happen?"
"Do you not see all the ****ing circuitry on your arm?"

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hukbum wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

And how is that different from the things people say toward me? "uh noes, you bring up a point we don't want to discuss because we don't want to think, but rather discuss things that are clearly pro IT and need no discussion".
In one case it's fine in the other it's not? Did you see me complaining about that until now? If I would call people with the names I get called here because of it imbeciles would fit quite good.

Maybe it's because you ignore just everything that doesn't fit and repead yourself over and over again?
If your mission of today is "I prove IT wrong", go out there, make your topic and discuss. Here you've been shown many stuff against your line of thought and you won't change it by starting the discussion all over again.
And when I wrote "am I talking to a wall???" it was because we had that discussion 10 pages back. And yes I felt like talking to a wall, guess why.

You want low EMS and that advertising Datapad to fit into IT?
Good, do it yourself, because: Who cares about low EMS?

You argument was to ignore parts of the game while IT cannot do that. Your point is invalid.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Really, Megumi, at this point you're just being rude and negative. Maybe you should lay off and just give Banshee a little credit for such a cool video? Or at least stop being such a nitpicker.

So it's perfectly fine when people say to me that I should go, and worse, but me saying anything is totally evil. Yeah, I'm just pure evil.
I was being attacked for no reasons way before just because I said, in their eyes, bad things about IT, but uh noes, how can someone do such evil.


Meg what's up with you? Nobody called you pure evil? Tell me what's up. Did something happen in your personal life. Just calm down you remind me when church got Angry at everyone in this season of Red vs. Blue.

How about the hypocracy that's going on here and the resulting name calling which is perfectly fine as long as I don't say anything back. That's what's up.


Look I understand. Yes the name calling has gotten out of hand, but come on. Your arguing with your friends remember, that care about you. Sure some are rude to you, but when it comes down to it, they are going to be there for you. Look I know I am not perfect no is anyone ( except Synthesis but that's not the point), but take it down a bit. That goes with everyone else.

Meg I know you want to help IT,and ask us the hard questions, but sometimes you have to take it slow. Going head on into the thick of arguments is not going to help. Yet guys we do have to build up arguments to. Yes we do, but most of us like me get to angry at the post, when they are not making sense, or just plan don't get IT.

I say we all need to take a break. The last few days, have been mostly agruing against Literalist,Trolls, and us, which is reminding me of Mark1.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

You argument was to ignore parts of the game while IT cannot do that. Your point is invalid.

Fine. Have fun with your datapad.

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.


Your avatar is just utterly horrifying.

Synthesis didn't end well for Shepard. Posted Image 

What's going on with that nostril?

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paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.


1.  Gah! Paxxton, what is it with you and the weird avatars?

2.  I think it's more like your first choice on that character is the only one that counts. Whenever you make that choice, the game creates a "legend save" that both records your choice and doesn't change no matter how many times you do the ending again. Interestingly, before the EC at least, there were only two possible flags: one for Destroy, and another that covered both Synthesis and Control. :P

Edit: Oops, I thought you were referencing something else. But in the case of choosing the endings, the same is true with control. After you reach a certain point Shepard keeps on walking forward with no input from you. It's kind of creepy, honestly.

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 07 décembre 2012 - 04:03 .


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Isn't it boring to always pick the same ending in every playthrough?

I actually like to change things up. I picked Control (Paragon) for one Shepard, Destroy (Renegade) for the other and Control (Renegade) again for the 3rd Shepard I'm doing. Mixing things up and having multiple choices is what makes RPGs fun.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 07 décembre 2012 - 03:59 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.


Your avatar is just utterly horrifying.

Synthesis didn't end well for Shepard. Posted Image 

What's going on with that nostril?

It had to blow its nose.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Megumi, it's not about IT for me. You come off like your only purpose in life is to tell others they're doing everything wrong, even to the point of being mean or rude to people who have never called you names or said bad things about you. Even in cases where that shouldn't even matter, like when people just want to share some fun stuff they made, and a normal person would simply ignore it if he didn't like it.

To me it just seems like you're intentionally pushing buttons. If you're not doing it intentionally, then I think your social skills really need some polishing.

How is anyone ever going to be sympathetic towards the ideas you bring up, if you constantly feel the need to be vengeful or antagonistic about things? I can't imagine it gets you great results.

Uhm Banshee certainly had his fair share of not so nice comments before I ever said anything rude to him. After a while you're just fed up with people. Also people weren't even sympathetic with the idea before that. Why? Because it was counter their believes.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Megumi, it's not about IT for me. You come off like your only purpose in life is to tell others they're doing everything wrong, even to the point of being mean or rude to people who have never called you names or said bad things about you. Even in cases where that shouldn't even matter, like when people just want to share some fun stuff they made, and a normal person would simply ignore it if he didn't like it.

To me it just seems like you're intentionally pushing buttons. If you're not doing it intentionally, then I think your social skills really need some polishing.

How is anyone ever going to be sympathetic towards the ideas you bring up, if you constantly feel the need to be vengeful or antagonistic about things? I can't imagine it gets you great results.

To add to this, I don't have a problem with you debating things, Megumi. It's simply how you do it. I don't know if you're trying to be, but you come off as arrogant and condescending. I didn't call you names, and I don't want to be your enemy. I just wish you could be a little friendlier and try not to hold grudges. Let's all just move on, shall we?

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hukbum wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You argument was to ignore parts of the game while IT cannot do that. Your point is invalid.

Fine. Have fun with your datapad.

It's more then the datapad you want to ignore. You want to ignore any low EMS stuff, remember?

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While you're here this is my answer to your only da bad guys get indoctrinated shtick:

The harder the Reapers force indoctrination, the more the victim degrades. It's often in the Reapers best interest to only get a hook in their target whenever possible, ratcheting it up as needed. Weaker willed and already corrupted subjects require a less heavy handed approach as they are easier to manipulate. Same goes for more physically or socially isolated subjects. Some victims of indoctrination are tools to be rapidly discarded, some are meant to be sleeper agents, others major pawns, and some are just being guided down a path of betrayal.

The Normandy crew are not easy targets. They are mentally tough, united, and under great scrutiny. Anything more than subtle influence would probably become noticeable honestly. To indoctrinate a crew filled with almost nothing but paragons isn't some small task when there's such an overall sense of solidarity and a true leader inspiring them to be their best. Take out their source of mental strength and watch their fortitude sink. The Reapers play on fear and doubt, trying to wedge in their own ideas and changing the victims entire outlook. As long as they're rallying around Shepard, they are going to be a lot harder to subvert. Killing him just makes him a martyr. It would still be a blow, but not like turning the galactic hero into an indoctrinated shell of his former self.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.


1.  Gah! Paxxton, what is it with you and the weird avatars?

2.  I think it's more like your first choice on that character is the only one that counts. Whenever you make that choice, the game creates a "legend save" that both records your choice and doesn't change no matter how many times you do the ending again. Interestingly, before the EC at least, there were only two possible flags: one for Destroy, and another that covered both Synthesis and Control. :P

1. Just a piece of art. It looks like a painting, isn't it? Posted Image

2. Megumi explained that there is a line on the Destroy ramp that when you cross it you cannot go back.

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masster blaster wrote...

Look I understand. Yes the name calling has gotten out of hand, but come on. Your arguing with your friends remember, that care about you. Sure some are rude to you, but when it comes down to it, they are going to be there for you. Look I know I am not perfect no is anyone ( except Synthesis but that's not the point), but take it down a bit. That goes with everyone else.

Meg I know you want to help IT,and ask us the hard questions, but sometimes you have to take it slow. Going head on into the thick of arguments is not going to help. Yet guys we do have to build up arguments to. Yes we do, but most of us like me get to angry at the post, when they are not making sense, or just plan don't get IT.

I say we all need to take a break. The last few days, have been mostly agruing against Literalist,Trolls, and us, which is reminding me of Mark1.


Masster, you give me warm and fuzzy feelings. This is why you're awesome. :D

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...
I'm not sure if anyone said this but before the EC there was only the 3 choices and the stargazer scene which you could get. There was never a refuse option or ending. However you could get a critical mission failure for taking too long to make a choice or wandering indecisive.

BioWare wanted people to make the choice. It's like you're at a traffic light and you see a train coming from behind on the city tracks. You have 3 choices, turn left and flip the switch to control the train and become one with the train when it hits you. Go straight and drive off the cliff and hope for the best. Or turn right and destroy the sign that says turn right so the train flies off the cliff instead.

As Udina, Anderson, and Hackett said in ME1 Shepard's the one who will make the choice when everyone else wouldn't or couldn't due to indecisiveness or no desire to

Yes and I said multiple times BW messed up that perfectly fine balance with the EC.


the choices are like your spectre status. No matter what you do BioWare wants you to be a spectre. It's a choice you have to make. So after the EC they added a refuse choice. However, they still want you to make a choice.So refuse will probably be the ME2 kill everyone and can't import for ME4

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Lokanaiya wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.


1.  Gah! Paxxton, what is it with you and the weird avatars?

2.  I think it's more like your first choice on that character is the only one that counts. Whenever you make that choice, the game creates a "legend save" that both records your choice and doesn't change no matter how many times you do the ending again. Interestingly, before the EC at least, there were only two possible flags: one for Destroy, and another that covered both Synthesis and Control. :P

Huh. That's very interesting.

@Pax please make your avatar something worth looking at!

YAY! I'm on top!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 décembre 2012 - 04:04 .


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God. I cannot believe you guys are still indulging Megumi's madness.

WHO. THE. HELL. CARES.