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[MegumiAzusa]

Lokanaiya wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.

1.  Gah! Paxxton, what is it with you and the weird avatars?

2.  I think it's more like your first choice on that character is the only one that counts. Whenever you make that choice, the game creates a "legend save" that both records your choice and doesn't change no matter how many times you do the ending again. Interestingly, before the EC at least, there were only two possible flags: one for Destroy, and another that covered both Synthesis and Control.

Edit: Oops, I thought you were referencing something else. But in the case of choosing the endings, the same is true with control. After you reach a certain point Shepard keeps on walking forward with no input from you. It's kind of creepy, honestly.

Wrong. It's created when you start the attack on the Cerby HQ.

[Rifneno]

Holy ****, paxxton's avatar is on America's Most Wanted.

[paxxton]

Who wants me to scrap that avatar and revert to the previous one?

[spotlessvoid]

You know what I haven't seen you do Megumi? Make a suggestion as to what you think it means.

[hukbum]

paxxton wrote...

Who wants me to scrap that avatar and revert to the previous one?

Not me. Keep it up

[The Heretic of Time]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The Normandy crew are not easy targets. They are mentally tough, united, and under great scrutiny. Anything more than subtle influence would probably become noticeable honestly. To indoctrinate a crew filled with almost nothing but paragons isn't some small task when there's such an overall sense of solidarity and a true leader inspiring them to be their best. Take out their source of mental strength and watch their fortitude sink. The Reapers play on fear and doubt, trying to wedge in their own ideas and changing the victims entire outlook. As long as they're rallying around Shepard, they are going to be a lot harder to subvert. Killing him just makes him a martyr. It would still be a blow, but not like turning the galactic hero into an indoctrinated shell of his former self.

Then how is Shepard being slowly indoctrinated? Shouldn't he be under the same kind of protection that you claim the other Normandy crew members are?

[CmdrShep80]

Lokanaiya wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.

1.  Gah! Paxxton, what is it with you and the weird avatars?

2.  I think it's more like your first choice on that character is the only one that counts. Whenever you make that choice, the game creates a "legend save" that both records your choice and doesn't change no matter how many times you do the ending again. Interestingly, before the EC at least, there were only two possible flags: one for Destroy, and another that covered both Synthesis and Control.

Edit: Oops, I thought you were referencing something else. But in the case of choosing the endings, the same is true with control. After you reach a certain point Shepard keeps on walking forward with no input from you. It's kind of creepy, honestly.

unless you did what I did and saved a save from before you played the end and cronos station the first time

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 07 décembre 2012 - 04:07 .

[spotlessvoid]

paxxton wrote...

Who wants me to scrap that avatar and revert to the previous one?

Yes

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

Holy ****, paxxton's avatar is on America's Most Wanted.

That's someone looking similar.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 décembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

While you're here this is my answer to your only da bad guys get indoctrinated shtick:

The harder the Reapers force indoctrination, the more the victim degrades. It's often in the Reapers best interest to only get a hook in their target whenever possible, ratcheting it up as needed. Weaker willed and already corrupted subjects require a less heavy handed approach as they are easier to manipulate. Same goes for more physically or socially isolated subjects. Some victims of indoctrination are tools to be rapidly discarded, some are meant to be sleeper agents, others major pawns, and some are just being guided down a path of betrayal.

The Normandy crew are not easy targets. They are mentally tough, united, and under great scrutiny. Anything more than subtle influence would probably become noticeable honestly. To indoctrinate a crew filled with almost nothing but paragons isn't some small task when there's such an overall sense of solidarity and a true leader inspiring them to be their best. Take out their source of mental strength and watch their fortitude sink. The Reapers play on fear and doubt, trying to wedge in their own ideas and changing the victims entire outlook. As long as they're rallying around Shepard, they are going to be a lot harder to subvert. Killing him just makes him a martyr. It would still be a blow, but not like turning the galactic hero into an indoctrinated shell of his former self.

By at least the middle of ME3 anyone on the Normandy is actually under quite some stress/pressure. Just talk to your crewmates.

[Lokanaiya]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Megumi, it's not about IT for me. You come off like your only purpose in life is to tell others they're doing everything wrong, even to the point of being mean or rude to people who have never called you names or said bad things about you. Even in cases where that shouldn't even matter, like when people just want to share some fun stuff they made, and a normal person would simply ignore it if he didn't like it.

To me it just seems like you're intentionally pushing buttons. If you're not doing it intentionally, then I think your social skills really need some polishing.

How is anyone ever going to be sympathetic towards the ideas you bring up, if you constantly feel the need to be vengeful or antagonistic about things? I can't imagine it gets you great results.

Uhm Banshee certainly had his fair share of not so nice comments before I ever said anything rude to him. After a while you're just fed up with people. Also people weren't even sympathetic with the idea before that. Why? Because it was counter their believes.

That's no excuse for indirectly insulting his video. If you have an issue with Banshee or any of us, you should really just come out and say it. Don't nitpick perfectly good videos to show your dislike for someone.

And it's generally not a good idea to come online and post whenever you're in a bad mood. I'm speaking from personal experience here, and I'm not trying to be condescending. If you're having a bad day or whatever, getting online and arguing with people isn't going to make it better, at all.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, if you choose Destroy, you can't change your mind. Haven't tested that out, but heard this is the case.

1.  Gah! Paxxton, what is it with you and the weird avatars?

2.  I think it's more like your first choice on that character is the only one that counts. Whenever you make that choice, the game creates a "legend save" that both records your choice and doesn't change no matter how many times you do the ending again. Interestingly, before the EC at least, there were only two possible flags: one for Destroy, and another that covered both Synthesis and Control.

1. Just a piece of art. It looks like a painting, isn't it? 

2. Megumi explained that there is a line on the Destroy ramp that when you cross it you cannot go back.

It's the same for control.

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Holy ****, paxxton's avatar is on America's Most Wanted.

That's someone looking similar.

Well it DOES look like Michael Myers I guess.

[Dwailing]

So, I think I would like to say one thing. IT is first and foremost an INTERPRETATION of the endings. I like to think that it's what BW intended for the endings, but at IT's most basic, whether BW intended it or not, and whether it accounts for EVERY detail doesn't matter so much that we should be killing each other over minor differences of opinion. I still think it's what BW intended, and that Refusal doesn't necessarily matter since it wasn't part of BW's original plan.

[dreamgazer]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Isn't it boring to always pick the same ending in every playthrough?

I actually like to change things up. I picked Control (Paragon) for one Shepard, Destroy (Renegade) for the other and Control (Renegade) again for the 3rd Shepard I'm doing. Mixing things up and having multiple choices is what makes RPGs fun.

That reminds me: I still need to create a male human Morrigan romancer in DA:O who's totally fine with the whole child idea.

[spotlessvoid]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The Normandy crew are not easy targets. They are mentally tough, united, and under great scrutiny. Anything more than subtle influence would probably become noticeable honestly. To indoctrinate a crew filled with almost nothing but paragons isn't some small task when there's such an overall sense of solidarity and a true leader inspiring them to be their best. Take out their source of mental strength and watch their fortitude sink. The Reapers play on fear and doubt, trying to wedge in their own ideas and changing the victims entire outlook. As long as they're rallying around Shepard, they are going to be a lot harder to subvert. Killing him just makes him a martyr. It would still be a blow, but not like turning the galactic hero into an indoctrinated shell of his former self.

Then how is Shepard being slowly indoctrinated? Shouldn't he be under the same kind of protection that you claim the other Normandy crew members are?

Uh.no.

Shepard isn't finding strength in his own leadership. And Shepard has been fighting it off. He's also been exposed to it more than anyone. And then there's Arrival...

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Who wants me to scrap that avatar and revert to the previous one?

Yes

Please.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Holy ****, paxxton's avatar is on America's Most Wanted.

That's someone looking similar.

Well it DOES look like Michael Myers I guess.

That killer from Halloween? Naaah.

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

Who wants me to scrap that avatar and revert to the previous one?

I would be inclined to tell you to KILL THAT ABOMINATION!  But that's just me.

[masster blaster]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Look I understand. Yes the name calling has gotten out of hand, but come on. Your arguing with your friends remember, that care about you. Sure some are rude to you, but when it comes down to it, they are going to be there for you. Look I know I am not perfect no is anyone ( except Synthesis but that's not the point), but take it down a bit. That goes with everyone else.

Meg I know you want to help IT,and ask us the hard questions, but sometimes you have to take it slow. Going head on into the thick of arguments is not going to help. Yet guys we do have to build up arguments to. Yes we do, but most of us like me get to angry at the post, when they are not making sense, or just plan don't get IT.

I say we all need to take a break. The last few days, have been mostly agruing against Literalist,Trolls, and us, which is reminding me of Mark1.

Masster, you give me warm and fuzzy feelings. This is why you're awesome.

Thank you.

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Who wants me to scrap that avatar and revert to the previous one?

Yes

Please.

Ok, I will cause I don't want you people to have nightmares.

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uhm Banshee certainly had his fair share of not so nice comments before I ever said anything rude to him. After a while you're just fed up with people. Also people weren't even sympathetic with the idea before that. Why? Because it was counter their believes.

I may have agreed with people that I didn't like the manner in which you posted but I never insulted you.

[MegumiAzusa]

dreamgazer wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Isn't it boring to always pick the same ending in every playthrough?

I actually like to change things up. I picked Control (Paragon) for one Shepard, Destroy (Renegade) for the other and Control (Renegade) again for the 3rd Shepard I'm doing. Mixing things up and having multiple choices is what makes RPGs fun.

That reminds me: I still need to create a male human Morrigan romancer in DA:O who's totally fine with the whole child idea.

I would too, but I just can't play as a guy :C

[spotlessvoid]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

While you're here this is my answer to your only da bad guys get indoctrinated shtick:

The harder the Reapers force indoctrination, the more the victim degrades. It's often in the Reapers best interest to only get a hook in their target whenever possible, ratcheting it up as needed. Weaker willed and already corrupted subjects require a less heavy handed approach as they are easier to manipulate. Same goes for more physically or socially isolated subjects. Some victims of indoctrination are tools to be rapidly discarded, some are meant to be sleeper agents, others major pawns, and some are just being guided down a path of betrayal.

The Normandy crew are not easy targets. They are mentally tough, united, and under great scrutiny. Anything more than subtle influence would probably become noticeable honestly. To indoctrinate a crew filled with almost nothing but paragons isn't some small task when there's such an overall sense of solidarity and a true leader inspiring them to be their best. Take out their source of mental strength and watch their fortitude sink. The Reapers play on fear and doubt, trying to wedge in their own ideas and changing the victims entire outlook. As long as they're rallying around Shepard, they are going to be a lot harder to subvert. Killing him just makes him a martyr. It would still be a blow, but not like turning the galactic hero into an indoctrinated shell of his former self.

By at least the middle of ME3 anyone on the Normandy is actually under quite some stress/pressure. Just talk to your crewmates.

Of course they are under stress! But they still believe Shepard will get it done. What are you even saying?

[Home run MF]

masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Masster, you give me warm and fuzzy feelings. This is why you're awesome. 

Thank you.