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[DoomsdayDevice]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Megumi, it's not about IT for me. You come off like your only purpose in life is to tell others they're doing everything wrong, even to the point of being mean or rude to people who have never called you names or said bad things about you. Even in cases where that shouldn't even matter, like when people just want to share some fun stuff they made, and a normal person would simply ignore it if he didn't like it.

To me it just seems like you're intentionally pushing buttons. If you're not doing it intentionally, then I think your social skills really need some polishing.

How is anyone ever going to be sympathetic towards the ideas you bring up, if you constantly feel the need to be vengeful or antagonistic about things? I can't imagine it gets you great results.

Uhm Banshee certainly had his fair share of not so nice comments before I ever said anything rude to him. After a while you're just fed up with people. Also people weren't even sympathetic with the idea before that. Why? Because it was counter their believes.

I wasn't even necessarily referring to Banshee, it's just a general trend I've noticed with you.

In any case:

If you feel like certain people are telling you off for something you want to discuss, you don't persuade them to discuss your stuff by making negative blanket statements about everyone here, taking pot shots at people or holding grudges in general. It's not going to work. Maybe you act more on emotion than you'd like to think, because there is no logic in doing that. Just a thought.

[paxxton]

Tada!

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

While you're here this is my answer to your only da bad guys get indoctrinated shtick:

The harder the Reapers force indoctrination, the more the victim degrades. It's often in the Reapers best interest to only get a hook in their target whenever possible, ratcheting it up as needed. Weaker willed and already corrupted subjects require a less heavy handed approach as they are easier to manipulate. Same goes for more physically or socially isolated subjects. Some victims of indoctrination are tools to be rapidly discarded, some are meant to be sleeper agents, others major pawns, and some are just being guided down a path of betrayal.

The Normandy crew are not easy targets. They are mentally tough, united, and under great scrutiny. Anything more than subtle influence would probably become noticeable honestly. To indoctrinate a crew filled with almost nothing but paragons isn't some small task when there's such an overall sense of solidarity and a true leader inspiring them to be their best. Take out their source of mental strength and watch their fortitude sink. The Reapers play on fear and doubt, trying to wedge in their own ideas and changing the victims entire outlook. As long as they're rallying around Shepard, they are going to be a lot harder to subvert. Killing him just makes him a martyr. It would still be a blow, but not like turning the galactic hero into an indoctrinated shell of his former self.

By at least the middle of ME3 anyone on the Normandy is actually under quite some stress/pressure. Just talk to your crewmates.

Of course they are under stress! But they still believe Shepard will get it done. What are you even saying?

That this can very well be exploited to make the wrong choice at the "right" time. Even if it's just a little choice or something, as long as it can be explained in their head as reasonable. Stress means adrenaline which means you are usually acting on the first impulse.

[Dwailing]

So, the new episode of The Big Bang Theory just came out. I only caught about a third, but what I saw was great. Did anyone else watch it?

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Masster, you give me warm and fuzzy feelings. This is why you're awesome.

Thank you.

Seconded buddy.

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Isn't it boring to always pick the same ending in every playthrough?

I actually like to change things up. I picked Control (Paragon) for one Shepard, Destroy (Renegade) for the other and Control (Renegade) again for the 3rd Shepard I'm doing. Mixing things up and having multiple choices is what makes RPGs fun.

That reminds me: I still need to create a male human Morrigan romancer in DA:O who's totally fine with the whole child idea.

I would too, but I just can't play as a guy :C

Yeah, I prefer not to either.

[spotlessvoid]

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

[CmdrShep80]

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

While you're here this is my answer to your only da bad guys get indoctrinated shtick:

The harder the Reapers force indoctrination, the more the victim degrades. It's often in the Reapers best interest to only get a hook in their target whenever possible, ratcheting it up as needed. Weaker willed and already corrupted subjects require a less heavy handed approach as they are easier to manipulate. Same goes for more physically or socially isolated subjects. Some victims of indoctrination are tools to be rapidly discarded, some are meant to be sleeper agents, others major pawns, and some are just being guided down a path of betrayal.

The Normandy crew are not easy targets. They are mentally tough, united, and under great scrutiny. Anything more than subtle influence would probably become noticeable honestly. To indoctrinate a crew filled with almost nothing but paragons isn't some small task when there's such an overall sense of solidarity and a true leader inspiring them to be their best. Take out their source of mental strength and watch their fortitude sink. The Reapers play on fear and doubt, trying to wedge in their own ideas and changing the victims entire outlook. As long as they're rallying around Shepard, they are going to be a lot harder to subvert. Killing him just makes him a martyr. It would still be a blow, but not like turning the galactic hero into an indoctrinated shell of his former self.

By at least the middle of ME3 anyone on the Normandy is actually under quite some stress/pressure. Just talk to your crewmates.

Of course they are under stress! But they still believe Shepard will get it done. What are you even saying?

What they're both saying is this from the codex:
Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.
There's two pieces these two are talking about-
One is that by now the Reapers may have a sleeper agent among the crew. Who it is we don't know. Remember Aria saying she didn't trust someone in the crew (and this is crew not squad). 
Two is if the Reapers can subvert Shepard at the point of the end of the game it really will bring about the fall of nations. The key is at the end of the game Shepard is a well placed military leader with influence and control over all the spacefaring nations. What he says goes. Don't believe me. Go to Cronos, speak to Hackett and tell him you're not ready. The entire force will not engage. Tell Hackett you are ready, the entire force will engage. 

[Dwailing]

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

Well, given the number of people who chose Control and Synthesis...

[CmdrShep80]

Dwailing wrote...

So, the new episode of The Big Bang Theory just came out. I only caught about a third, but what I saw was great. Did anyone else watch it?

aww am gonna have to go see it!

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

So, the new episode of The Big Bang Theory just came out. I only caught about a third, but what I saw was great. Did anyone else watch it?

Saw it. Was okay. Fishing plot was stupid but reminded me of my relationship with my own father-in-law. The office and Parks and Rec were better.

[spotlessvoid]

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

Well, given the number of people who chose Control and Synthesis...

Ahem. Civilians

[MegumiAzusa]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Megumi, it's not about IT for me. You come off like your only purpose in life is to tell others they're doing everything wrong, even to the point of being mean or rude to people who have never called you names or said bad things about you. Even in cases where that shouldn't even matter, like when people just want to share some fun stuff they made, and a normal person would simply ignore it if he didn't like it.

To me it just seems like you're intentionally pushing buttons. If you're not doing it intentionally, then I think your social skills really need some polishing.

How is anyone ever going to be sympathetic towards the ideas you bring up, if you constantly feel the need to be vengeful or antagonistic about things? I can't imagine it gets you great results.

Uhm Banshee certainly had his fair share of not so nice comments before I ever said anything rude to him. After a while you're just fed up with people. Also people weren't even sympathetic with the idea before that. Why? Because it was counter their believes.

I wasn't even necessarily referring to Banshee, it's just a general trend I've noticed with you.

In any case:

If you feel like certain people are telling you off for something you want to discuss, you don't persuade them to discuss your stuff by making negative blanket statements about everyone here, taking pot shots at people or holding grudges in general. It's not going to work. Maybe you act more on emotion than you'd like to think, because there is no logic in doing that. Just a thought.

Uhm I didn't take any potshots or was holding grudges for weeks (for anyone but Rifneno that is) and people told me to go in various flowering words. I only once called someone ignorant because he didn't even refuse the basics and always tried to argue at something which was beside the point which I explained several times why that is and he didn't even try to touch that logical trail of thought. And I don't even know who that was anymore because I don't care. I only started to use they and you etc when referring to IT people recently because of the collective denial of a simple fact to which is no simple answer. At a certain point anyone would be just fed up.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 07 décembre 2012 - 04:29 .

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Megumi, it's not about IT for me. You come off like your only purpose in life is to tell others they're doing everything wrong, even to the point of being mean or rude to people who have never called you names or said bad things about you. Even in cases where that shouldn't even matter, like when people just want to share some fun stuff they made, and a normal person would simply ignore it if he didn't like it.

To me it just seems like you're intentionally pushing buttons. If you're not doing it intentionally, then I think your social skills really need some polishing.

How is anyone ever going to be sympathetic towards the ideas you bring up, if you constantly feel the need to be vengeful or antagonistic about things? I can't imagine it gets you great results.

Uhm Banshee certainly had his fair share of not so nice comments before I ever said anything rude to him. After a while you're just fed up with people. Also people weren't even sympathetic with the idea before that. Why? Because it was counter their believes.

I wasn't even necessarily referring to Banshee, it's just a general trend I've noticed with you.

In any case:

If you feel like certain people are telling you off for something you want to discuss, you don't persuade them to discuss your stuff by making negative blanket statements about everyone here, taking pot shots at people or holding grudges in general. It's not going to work. Maybe you act more on emotion than you'd like to think, because there is no logic in doing that. Just a thought.

Uhm I didn't take any potshots or was holding grudges for weeks (for anyone but Rifneno that is) and people told me to go in various flowering words. I only once called someone ignorant because he didn't even refuse the basics and always tried to argue at something which was beside the point which I explained several times why that is and he didn't even try to touch that logical trail of thought. And I don't even know who that was anymore because I don't care. I only started to use they and you etc when referring to IT people recently because of the collective denial of a simple fact to which is no simple answer.

If there is no simple answer, then it will have to be filed away until more information is gathered, like any loose part of a theory. There. Problem solved.

[BansheeOwnage]

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Masster, you give me warm and fuzzy feelings. This is why you're awesome. 

Thank you.

Oh. My. God.

I was looking for a picture that said that, and that's MB. Seriously, it's like you read my mine Home Run. You're making it a habit! I will now redirect this image towards you!

[Dwailing]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

Well, given the number of people who chose Control and Synthesis...

Ahem. Civilians

But the people who are making these choices actually ARE civilians so...

[CmdrShep80]

Another example of Shepard's influence by the end of the game is that Asari commando in the Human Embassies. She says that everyone should divert their forces to a particular locations dn everyone should trust her because we can now identify reaper movements. Who gave her the data? Shepard. He single handedly caused the diversion of a fleet of ships all by passing a bit of data that may or may not be correct

[MegumiAzusa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Megumi, it's not about IT for me. You come off like your only purpose in life is to tell others they're doing everything wrong, even to the point of being mean or rude to people who have never called you names or said bad things about you. Even in cases where that shouldn't even matter, like when people just want to share some fun stuff they made, and a normal person would simply ignore it if he didn't like it.

To me it just seems like you're intentionally pushing buttons. If you're not doing it intentionally, then I think your social skills really need some polishing.

How is anyone ever going to be sympathetic towards the ideas you bring up, if you constantly feel the need to be vengeful or antagonistic about things? I can't imagine it gets you great results.

Uhm Banshee certainly had his fair share of not so nice comments before I ever said anything rude to him. After a while you're just fed up with people. Also people weren't even sympathetic with the idea before that. Why? Because it was counter their believes.

I wasn't even necessarily referring to Banshee, it's just a general trend I've noticed with you.

In any case:

If you feel like certain people are telling you off for something you want to discuss, you don't persuade them to discuss your stuff by making negative blanket statements about everyone here, taking pot shots at people or holding grudges in general. It's not going to work. Maybe you act more on emotion than you'd like to think, because there is no logic in doing that. Just a thought.

Uhm I didn't take any potshots or was holding grudges for weeks (for anyone but Rifneno that is) and people told me to go in various flowering words. I only once called someone ignorant because he didn't even refuse the basics and always tried to argue at something which was beside the point which I explained several times why that is and he didn't even try to touch that logical trail of thought. And I don't even know who that was anymore because I don't care. I only started to use they and you etc when referring to IT people recently because of the collective denial of a simple fact to which is no simple answer.

If there is no simple answer, then it will have to be filed away until more information is gathered, like any loose part of a theory. There. Problem solved.

As I said denial. Out of sight, out of mind.

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If there is no simple answer, then it will have to be filed away until more information is gathered, like any loose part of a theory. There. Problem solved.

As I said denial. Out of sight, out of mind.

Wrong. It is a delay until more information is gathered or the theory is improved upon. Once more with negative assumptions.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 07 décembre 2012 - 04:32 .

[spotlessvoid]

Maybe if you would just realize that your arguments aren't as solid as you think you'd see that you aren't "opening peoples eyes" so much as bleating on and on about how wrong everyone is.

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

In the end they are only human (minus the aliens ). If there is enough pressure of course. Shepard, aka the one with the super strong will, is already breaking... and people around her DO notice.

[BansheeOwnage]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

The key is at the end of the game Shepard is a well placed military leader with influence and control over all the spacefaring nations. What he says goes. Don't believe me. Go to Cronos, speak to Hackett and tell him you're not ready. The entire force will not engage. Tell Hackett you are ready, the entire force will engage. 

Not only that, but he will also keep bombarding Chronos if you suggest it. Anything Shepard says pretty much goes for the entire galaxy. It's very impressive, and Shepard would certainly make a great indoctrinated leader.

[spotlessvoid]

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

Well, given the number of people who chose Control and Synthesis...

Ahem. Civilians

But the people who are making these choices actually ARE civilians so...

But the crew isn't, which is who was being discussed

[DoomsdayDevice]

Oh, there are simple answers. They just don't satisfy you. xD

I'll let you know when I think of anything. Right now, my brain is hanging upside down.

[Dwailing]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

Well, given the number of people who chose Control and Synthesis...

Ahem. Civilians

But the people who are making these choices actually ARE civilians so...

But the crew isn't, which is who was being discussed

Ooooohhhhh, you're talking about the CREW.  I thought you were talking about Shepard.  In that case, never mind.