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[spotlessvoid]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

In the end they are only human (minus the aliens ). If there is enough pressure of course. Shepard, aka the one with the super strong will, is already breaking... and people around her DO notice.

Doesn't mean they stop believing in their cause or Shepard's ability to ultimately pull through. The whole point is they all believe in what they are doing is right and that makes them much harder to subvert.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'll see everyone later. Try not to argue.

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Maybe if you would just realize that your arguments aren't as solid as you think you'd see that you aren't "opening peoples eyes" so much as bleating on and on about how wrong everyone is.

There is still no other counter argument that really fits with IT but to disregard these scenes entirely.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Maybe if you would just realize that your arguments aren't as solid as you think you'd see that you aren't "opening peoples eyes" so much as bleating on and on about how wrong everyone is.

There is still no other counter argument that really fits with IT but to disregard these scenes entirely.

Which scenes exactly are we talking about?

Because I've always disregarded the Stargazer scene.

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

In the end they are only human (minus the aliens ). If there is enough pressure of course. Shepard, aka the one with the super strong will, is already breaking... and people around her DO notice.

Doesn't mean they stop believing in their cause or Shepard's ability to ultimately pull through. The whole point is they all believe in what they are doing is right and that makes them much harder to subvert.

Saren and TIM thinks the same way. As said, it can just be something that seems right for a specific case. Then the next and the next etc. Each step in its own entirely justified but in the grand scheme of things looking different.

[spotlessvoid]

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

Well, given the number of people who chose Control and Synthesis...

Ahem. Civilians

But the people who are making these choices actually ARE civilians so...

But the crew isn't, which is who was being discussed

Ooooohhhhh, you're talking about the CREW.  I thought you were talking about Shepard.  In that case, never mind.

Lol this is how that oohh sounded in my head http://www.google.co...zZpbIKgZ2QPt-iA

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Maybe if you would just realize that your arguments aren't as solid as you think you'd see that you aren't "opening peoples eyes" so much as bleating on and on about how wrong everyone is.

QFT.  She's one of those preachy pains in the ass that think they know better than everyone else and it's their duty to save us from ourselves by being a colossal douche.  Kind of the like the Reapers, except passive-aggressive and whiny instead of genocidal.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Maybe if you would just realize that your arguments aren't as solid as you think you'd see that you aren't "opening peoples eyes" so much as bleating on and on about how wrong everyone is.

There is still no other counter argument that really fits with IT but to disregard these scenes entirely.

Which scenes exactly are we talking about?

Because I've always disregarded the Stargazer scene.

In that case I disregard everything I didn't see in my first playthrough. Free tech for everyone!

[CmdrShep80]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

The key is at the end of the game Shepard is a well placed military leader with influence and control over all the spacefaring nations. What he says goes. Don't believe me. Go to Cronos, speak to Hackett and tell him you're not ready. The entire force will not engage. Tell Hackett you are ready, the entire force will engage. 

Not only that, but he will also keep bombarding Chronos if you suggest it. Anything Shepard says pretty much goes for the entire galaxy. It's very impressive, and Shepard would certainly make a great indoctrinated leader.

which is why these two are sharing key details that could be very very bad given Shepard is having problems already. If he's having so many problems, who else is worse off and we don't know it?  "You hear that hum or is it just me?"

Vega, Liara, Javik, Cortez, Traynor, Joker, Garrus, Chakwas, EDI, Daniels, etc

The only one I think that will be the strongest will be Tali thanks to her suit

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

In the end they are only human (minus the aliens ). If there is enough pressure of course. Shepard, aka the one with the super strong will, is already breaking... and people around her DO notice.

[spotlessvoid]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

In the end they are only human (minus the aliens ). If there is enough pressure of course. Shepard, aka the one with the super strong will, is already breaking... and people around her DO notice.

Doesn't mean they stop believing in their cause or Shepard's ability to ultimately pull through. The whole point is they all believe in what they are doing is right and that makes them much harder to subvert.

Saren and TIM thinks the same way. As said, it can just be something that seems right for a specific case. Then the next and the next etc. Each step in its own entirely justified but in the grand scheme of things looking different.

Both had massive egos that were exploited.

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Maybe, just maybe the stargazer scene is out of the narrative? You know, as in it's not actually part of damn story? As in it's there to be a message to the player that there's one more story?

Spot summed it up perfectly.

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Maybe, just maybe the stargazer scene is out of the narrative? You know, as in it's not actually part of damn story? As in it's there to be a message to the player that there's one more story?

Spot summed it up perfectly.

He usually does.

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's quite an assumption you're making. Not everyone acts like a civilian. You honestly think none of them can handle stress well enough to not act on their first impulse?

In the end they are only human (minus the aliens ). If there is enough pressure of course. Shepard, aka the one with the super strong will, is already breaking... and people around her DO notice.

Doesn't mean they stop believing in their cause or Shepard's ability to ultimately pull through. The whole point is they all believe in what they are doing is right and that makes them much harder to subvert.

Saren and TIM thinks the same way. As said, it can just be something that seems right for a specific case. Then the next and the next etc. Each step in its own entirely justified but in the grand scheme of things looking different.

Both had massive egos that were exploited.

Yeah, remember the hum? The feelings of some of your crew of being watched when visiting the remains of the human reaper, which was also always just handwaved away?

[CmdrShep80]

Lol I just mentioned the hum on another area a few posts ago lol

[spotlessvoid]

I'm not saying the Reapers aren't working on the crew Megumi, just that they aren't easy targets. Like I said in my post.

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yeah, remember the hum? The feelings of some of your crew of being watched when visiting the remains of the human reaper, which was also always just handwaved away?

Nothing's being handwaved, they're probably being influenced, but none are indoctrinated.

[spotlessvoid]

I wonder if Javik thinks he is being indoctrinated would he just throw himself out the airlock

"In my cycle we-eeeaaaaahhhh *fwoop*"

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Masster, you give me warm and fuzzy feelings. This is why you're awesome. 

Thank you.

Oh. My. God.

I was looking for a picture that said that, and that's MB. Seriously, it's like you read my mine Home Run. You're making it a habit! I will now redirect this image towards you!

Care to explain why I look/sound like a happy Krogan?

[spotlessvoid]

Does it need explaining?

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I wonder if Javik thinks he is being indoctrinated would he just throw himself out the airlock

"In my cycle we-eeeaaaaahhhh *fwoop*"

Nah.  Haven't you seen him in a vacuum?  He doesn't even use a breather mask.  We are such primitives.

[CmdrShep80]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yeah, remember the hum? The feelings of some of your crew of being watched when visiting the remains of the human reaper, which was also always just handwaved away?

Nothing's being handwaved, they're probably being influenced, but none are indoctrinated.

here's a fun question:

if Shepard has the highest willpower out of all the crew and we believe he's being indoctrinated. What does that say about the crew?

EDIT- IT is all about is Shepard indoctrinated or not?

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 07 décembre 2012 - 04:56 .

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm not saying the Reapers aren't working on the crew Megumi, just that they aren't easy targets. Like I said in my post.

Which does not mean they could be already indoctrinated and being sleeper agents, but you were saying the Reapers need to indoctrinate Shep to do exactly that. Saren and TIM don't need to be subtle at these points so you could easily tell. Saren also had more then enough perfectly reasonable lies when you first tried to accuse him.

[DoomsdayDevice]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yeah, remember the hum? The feelings of some of your crew of being watched when visiting the remains of the human reaper, which was also always just handwaved away?

Nothing's being handwaved, they're probably being influenced, but none are indoctrinated.

Yeah, I still think that's very interesting, and it wouldn't even surprise me if that would be followed up in a possible sequel.

[spotlessvoid]

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I wonder if Javik thinks he is being indoctrinated would he just throw himself out the airlock

"In my cycle we-eeeaaaaahhhh *fwoop*"

Nah.  Haven't you seen him in a vacuum?  He doesn't even use a breather mask.  We are such primitives.

OMG what if everything after Arrival is a dream? Solved it.

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yeah, remember the hum? The feelings of some of your crew of being watched when visiting the remains of the human reaper, which was also always just handwaved away?

Nothing's being handwaved, they're probably being influenced, but none are indoctrinated.

And you can be so sure of that because of...?