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[BleedingUranium]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yeah, remember the hum? The feelings of some of your crew of being watched when visiting the remains of the human reaper, which was also always just handwaved away?

Nothing's being handwaved, they're probably being influenced, but none are indoctrinated.

here's a fun question:

if Shepard has the highest willpower out of all the crew and we believe he's being indoctrinated. What does that say about the crew?

The crew has Shepard to look up to.

[spotlessvoid]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm not saying the Reapers aren't working on the crew Megumi, just that they aren't easy targets. Like I said in my post.

Which does not mean they could be already indoctrinated and being sleeper agents, but you were saying the Reapers need to indoctrinate Shep to do exactly that. Saren and TIM don't need to be subtle at these points so you could easily tell. Saren also had more then enough perfectly reasonable lies when you first tried to accuse him.

I didn't say they needed to, just that it makes is substantially easier. And the wgole thing was aimed at HH who argues that it's bad writing that no squad member gets turned against Shepard

[CmdrShep80]

On another subject, I just saw someone post on twitter this question:

Why does Cortez have blue eyes if his background is black/hispanic?

http://t2.gstatic.co...vnLhcV0gjNNZsji

[spotlessvoid]

Believing in Shepard creates hope that is more powerful than the doubt the Reapers sew. Since the crew didn't play optional non canon dlc, they should be fine right?

[masster blaster]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm not saying the Reapers aren't working on the crew Megumi, just that they aren't easy targets. Like I said in my post.

And in order to Indoctrinate them, they are going to have to break their hope. Shepard. Kill Shepard would make him/her symbol for everyone to rally upon, but if you have low ems, then killing Shepard would change nothing because Shepard f***** up the galaxy more than the Reapers could have done.

If however Shepard has more war assets, then if killing Shepard rallys evryone together/ have his/her friends/ loved ones rally the troops, ya the Reapers will get more than what they bargened for. If however you choose the Indoctrinated paths Control, and Synthesis, then well Shepard becomes Indoctrinated.



1 is Synthesis seems very nice and would be the best option, but it's not right. Javik, and the Leviathans would never befriend the Reapers. That's complete bs if they did. Only way I can see, is if they are Indoctrinated.

2. Control seems to be more of an order, power hungry, tipe vib. In a sense Control is not bad, but if you look at the slides, then who is Controlling who? In Control you see the Reapers are over seeing the galaxy/ watching over the galaxy right, yet to me it looks like they are being Controlled to me.

Also if you all want to talk about best ending, and what Bioware likes, then it's Destroy. Synthesis is the final choice to unlock, but not an end. In a sense Destroy has 4 endings. Low ems, Mid ems, high ems, and breath scene.

Breath scene beats Synthesis, in which case is the best end/ making Destroy the best choice because it's the only end as we now know that has Shepard " wake up" after the chocie was made.

[DoomsdayDevice]

magnetite wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

OMG what if everything after Arrival is a dream? Solved it.

I found some DreamTree textures during the first mission in Vancouver. Probably just reused textures though. Although, not sure why they wouldn't just use any random tree texture from the game instead of one called "DreamTree".

Probably because they designed the trees for the dreams, but ended up using them in the rest of the game as well. Same goes for 'dream foliage'.

[CmdrShep80]

masster blaster wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm not saying the Reapers aren't working on the crew Megumi, just that they aren't easy targets. Like I said in my post.

And in order to Indoctrinate them, they are going to have to break their hope. Shepard. Kill Shepard would make him/her symbol for everyone to rally upon, but if you have low ems, then killing Shepard would change nothing because Shepard f***** up the galaxy more than the Reapers could have done.

If however Shepard has more war assets, then if killing Shepard rallys evryone together/ have his/her friends/ loved ones rally the troops, ya the Reapers will get more than what they bargened for. If however you choose the Indoctrinated paths Control, and Synthesis, then well Shepard becomes Indoctrinated.



1 is Synthesis seems very nice and would be the best option, but it's not right. Javik, and the Leviathans would never befriend the Reapers. That's complete bs if they did. Only way I can see, is if they are Indoctrinated.

2. Control seems to be more of an order, power hungry, tipe vib. In a sense Control is not bad, but if you look at the slides, then who is Controlling who? In Control you see the Reapers are over seeing the galaxy/ watching over the galaxy right, yet to me it looks like they are being Controlled to me.

Also if you all want to talk about best ending, and what Bioware likes, then it's Destroy. Synthesis is the final choice to unlock, but not an end. In a sense Destroy has 4 endings. Low ems, Mid ems, high ems, and breath scene.

Breath scene beats Synthesis, in which case is the best end/ making Destroy the best choice because it's the only end as we now know that has Shepard " wake up" after the chocie was made.

All reminds me of rock paper sissors lol

[MegumiAzusa]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

On another subject, I just saw someone post on twitter this question:

Why does Cortez have blue eyes if his background is black/hispanic?

http://t2.gstatic.co...vnLhcV0gjNNZsji

Books say hair and eyecolor can basically be changed on a whim.

[masster blaster]

Okay guys I am going to bed, so night everyone.

[BleedingUranium]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay guys I am going to bed, so night everyone.

Goodnight

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm not saying the Reapers aren't working on the crew Megumi, just that they aren't easy targets. Like I said in my post.

Which does not mean they could be already indoctrinated and being sleeper agents, but you were saying the Reapers need to indoctrinate Shep to do exactly that. Saren and TIM don't need to be subtle at these points so you could easily tell. Saren also had more then enough perfectly reasonable lies when you first tried to accuse him.

I didn't say they needed to, just that it makes is substantially easier. And the wgole thing was aimed at HH who argues that it's bad writing that no squad member gets turned against Shepard

Which is a passed chance. Wouldn't have it been interesting if one, maybe depending on relationship or whatever would have been indoctrinated and on one point turned on you. And then you had to make a tough call to either take the save route to kill him/her or somehow try to save him/her? Maybe diverting resources from the Crucible, taking the Cerberus data from Sanctuary (kind of like Maelons data) possibilities are endless.
It's just that these things would have been much better to create moral dilemmas then "yep you're evil and you have to be put down" in either a flowered way or straight up.

[CmdrShep80]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

On another subject, I just saw someone post on twitter this question:

Why does Cortez have blue eyes if his background is black/hispanic?

http://t2.gstatic.co...vnLhcV0gjNNZsji

Books say hair and eyecolor can basically be changed on a whim.

Wish I can do that...oh wait I can .  We're so advanced!

[spotlessvoid]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay guys I am going to bed, so night everyone.

Dreaming of killing Thresher Maws on foot I'm sure =)

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Believing in Shepard creates hope that is more powerful than the doubt the Reapers sew. Since the crew didn't play optional non canon dlc, they should be fine right?

A Shepard who didn't do these things isn't fine either.

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay guys I am going to bed, so night everyone.

Dreaming of killing Thresher Maws on foot I'm sure =)

Dreaming of killing Kalros on foot :3

[CmdrShep80]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm not saying the Reapers aren't working on the crew Megumi, just that they aren't easy targets. Like I said in my post.

Which does not mean they could be already indoctrinated and being sleeper agents, but you were saying the Reapers need to indoctrinate Shep to do exactly that. Saren and TIM don't need to be subtle at these points so you could easily tell. Saren also had more then enough perfectly reasonable lies when you first tried to accuse him.

I didn't say they needed to, just that it makes is substantially easier. And the wgole thing was aimed at HH who argues that it's bad writing that no squad member gets turned against Shepard

Which is a passed chance. Wouldn't have it been interesting if one, maybe depending on relationship or whatever would have been indoctrinated and on one point turned on you. And then you had to make a tough call to either take the save route to kill him/her or somehow try to save him/her? Maybe diverting resources from the Crucible, taking the Cerberus data from Sanctuary (kind of like Maelons data) possibilities are endless.
It's just that these things would have been much better to create moral dilemmas then "yep you're evil and you have to be put down" in either a flowered way or straight up.

I wonder if that's where the "there will be tears" remark on that article is coming from?  Putting your LI in a potential no win scenario where someone has to die again if you played ME1 and ME2.

Though I think what would make a really good tear moment is your LI versus Joker...that would get me all choked up to choose between the two because they've been the staple of the game.  (LI was Ashley).  I whouldn't even know who to pick at this point.  To make it tougher and worse they could attach a real time 3 minute timer at the decision point to make your decision with no way to pause the game (or go into the menu for your powers)

[spotlessvoid]

I agree it's a missed opportunity for a truly emotionally impactful moment. Doesn't mean that it not happening is illogical and therefore bad writing. And one can argue that having a squad member revealed as indoctrinated would really open up suspicion that Shepard might be. I think a large part of what Bioware wanted out of the ending was to make players feel what indoctrination is like.

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm not saying the Reapers aren't working on the crew Megumi, just that they aren't easy targets. Like I said in my post.

Which does not mean they could be already indoctrinated and being sleeper agents, but you were saying the Reapers need to indoctrinate Shep to do exactly that. Saren and TIM don't need to be subtle at these points so you could easily tell. Saren also had more then enough perfectly reasonable lies when you first tried to accuse him.

I didn't say they needed to, just that it makes is substantially easier. And the wgole thing was aimed at HH who argues that it's bad writing that no squad member gets turned against Shepard

Which is a passed chance. Wouldn't have it been interesting if one, maybe depending on relationship or whatever would have been indoctrinated and on one point turned on you. And then you had to make a tough call to either take the save route to kill him/her or somehow try to save him/her? Maybe diverting resources from the Crucible, taking the Cerberus data from Sanctuary (kind of like Maelons data) possibilities are endless.
It's just that these things would have been much better to create moral dilemmas then "yep you're evil and you have to be put down" in either a flowered way or straight up.

I think they didn't do this to make the end indoctrination all the more mind blowing and unexpected.

[CmdrShep80]

You can even take it from the indoctrinated they both turn on you threatening to destroy the ship in two different ways and you have only one chance to snap one of them out of it but you get 1 real time minute to decide how you'll save the ship and who you snap out and who dies by your hand

I did a Poll on this

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 07 décembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[spotlessvoid]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Believing in Shepard creates hope that is more powerful than the doubt the Reapers sew. Since the crew didn't play optional non canon dlc, they should be fine right?

A Shepard who didn't do these things isn't fine either.

That was a joke. And Shepard does do those things, but lets not reopen that one. Just as Shepard isn't fully indoctrinated and just as Shepard isn't telling anyone about those dreams, we don't know the crews mental state. All I was saying to Hanar is that the crew isn't so easy to subvert because if their solidarity and belief in Shepard and the mission. Doesn't mean there aren't cracks forming in some of them.

[MegumiAzusa]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

You can even take it from the indoctrinated they both turn on you threatening to destroy the ship in two different ways and you have only one chance to snap one of them out of it but you get 1 real time minute to decide how you'll save the ship and who you snap out and who dies by your hand

I mean it was basically planned with Anderson, but they dropped it because they couldn't implement it the way they wanted (maybe that is the new thing they talked about they managed to do for the next DLC? ). I would really like more scenes where you have to take the Renegade interrupt to live with no way around it (at least once). This would give the one conversation Garrus had with some random guy so much more power (though it's already quite awesome).

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Believing in Shepard creates hope that is more powerful than the doubt the Reapers sew. Since the crew didn't play optional non canon dlc, they should be fine right?

A Shepard who didn't do these things isn't fine either.

That was a joke. And Shepard does do those things, but lets not reopen that one. Just as Shepard isn't fully indoctrinated and just as Shepard isn't telling anyone about those dreams, we don't know the crews mental state. All I was saying to Hanar is that the crew isn't so easy to subvert because if their solidarity and belief in Shepard and the mission. Doesn't mean there aren't cracks forming in some of them.

Shepard does talk about these dreams at least with Liara and Traynor. Dunno about the others (as LI at least).

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 07 décembre 2012 - 05:35 .

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

You can even take it from the indoctrinated they both turn on you threatening to destroy the ship in two different ways and you have only one chance to snap one of them out of it but you get 1 real time minute to decide how you'll save the ship and who you snap out and who dies by your hand

I mean it was basically planned with Anderson, but they dropped it because they couldn't implement it the way they wanted (maybe that is the new thing they talked about they managed to do for the next DLC? ). I would really like more scenes where you have to take the Renegade interrupt to live with no way around it (at least once). This would give the one conversation Garrus had with some random guy so much more power (though it's already quite awesome).

A lot of us think Anderson is indoctrinated at the end and we'll have to fight/kill him after waking up. At least, that's one way they could go.

[dreamgazer]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shepard does talk about these dreams at least with Liara and Traynor. Dunno about the others.

I think Shepard mentions either the dreams or the child to Garrus. Can't remember which.