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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Here's my poll in case you missed my edit:
If BioWare does something like this who would you choose?
You find out Joker and your love interest are indoctrinated and have turned on you, threatening to destroy the Normandy in two different ways in less than 3 minutes.
By the time you reach both of them in engineering, you look and they are both down two opposite ends of the engineering bay. The engineers are all knocked out.
You have one chance and only one minute to reach one of them, snap one out of their indoctrination, saving one then turning and shooting and killing the other to save the Normandy crew.
Who do you save and who do you let die by your hand?
There's no "other" option because it ain't happening
LI or Joker - Who do you choose?

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Shepard doesn't discuss the details like oily shadows, reaper horns etc.

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dreamgazer wrote...

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Shepard does talk about these dreams at least with Liara and Traynor. Dunno about the others.


I think Shepard mentions either the dreams or the child to Garrus. Can't remember which.


Really?  I'd have to go back and look

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shepard does talk about these dreams at least with Liara and Traynor. Dunno about the others.


I think Shepard mentions either the dreams or the child to Garrus. Can't remember which.


Really?  I'd have to go back and look

The child and how it affects her in any case, dunno about the dreams.
It is actually more Garrus who does the most picking and dusting up then the other way round...

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BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

You can even take it from the indoctrinated they both turn on you threatening to destroy the ship in two different ways and you have only one chance to snap one of them out of it but you get 1 real time minute to decide how you'll save the ship and who you snap out and who dies by your hand

I mean it was basically planned with Anderson, but they dropped it because they couldn't implement it the way they wanted (maybe that is the new thing they talked about they managed to do for the next DLC? :P). I would really like more scenes where you have to take the Renegade interrupt to live with no way around it (at least once). This would give the one conversation Garrus had with some random guy so much more power (though it's already quite awesome).


A lot of us think Anderson is indoctrinated at the end and we'll have to fight/kill him after waking up. At least, that's one way they could go.


Yeah but I don't think an Anderson indoctrinated fight would have as much impact as a Joker fight.  Plus that would be the surprise fight that most wouldn't expect.

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This poll I think will get really interesting tomorrow when everyone "wakes up" pun intended. We'll see who comes out with more votes

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I wish people would vote when they view polls. I would have 50 votes by now if they did

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

I wish people would vote when they view polls. I would have 50 votes by now if they did


Joker is so screwed!

You should do Garrus VS Liara VS Tali

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Shepard mentions the kid to Garrus. Brief mentions of the dreams but they're very non-specific. But then, Retribution tells us that Grayson didn't remember his dreams, just that they left him... shaken, I think was the word? I don't think Shepard actually remembers the dreams. At least not fully. It's impossible to wipe the player's memory of what was seen, but it's logical for Shepard not to be able to remember what occurred in the dreams, lest he go right to someone like Garrus and warn them that he was hearing those tell-tale whispers and to make sure they're ready to do whatever is necessary if he becomes indoctrinated.

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yay i woke up. we're still here. brilliant.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

I wish people would vote when they view polls. I would have 50 votes by now if they did


Joker is so screwed!

You should do Garrus VS Liara VS Tali


I just might after tomorrow rolls by

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spotlessvoid wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

I wish people would vote when they view polls. I would have 50 votes by now if they did


Joker is so screwed!

You should do Garrus VS Liara VS Tali


I'd choose Garrus over anyone any day. Even if the choice was him or any 2 other squadmates/npc's, including Miranda.

Edit: Also, I'd like to ask, do people actually think Anderson's indoctrinated. If he was given the same choice as Shepard (which I think is plausible), he would have picked destroy. If that's the way out for Shepard, why wouldn't it save Anderson from indoctrination, if an attempt was made? In my opinion, the act of sticking to what you believe in is what saves shepard. Does that apply to Anderson, or is Shepard special?

Modifié par JMDekker2, 07 décembre 2012 - 06:33 .


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but the scene with tim shows control being able to prevent anderson destroying.

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What would happen if you don't have a LI, though. Would you just have to stop Joker?

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Found a quote that seems to fit well with the whole "theory/evidence/proof" thing. Doesn't relate to IT, but just theories in general. I don't believe this has been posted before, since I Googled the quote.

Mordin: Suspect Vorcha working for Collectors. Distributing plague, collecting data. No proof, but theory fits evidence.

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I re-read the Final Hours....very interesting stuff.

Gives much insight in what the next ME game will be like. 

Modifié par demersel, 07 décembre 2012 - 06:46 .


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demersel wrote...

Gives much insight in what the next ME game will be like. 


I remember them asking what people were wanting for the next game. Which chapter is it in?

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

What would happen if you don't have a LI, though. Would you just have to stop Joker?


They'll probably go with the Squadmate you've used most during the game.  I think it records that, mostly due to how it was that most used squadmate who got off the ship in the original endings along with the LI.

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Andromidius wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

What would happen if you don't have a LI, though. Would you just have to stop Joker?


They'll probably go with the Squadmate you've used most during the game.  I think it records that, mostly due to how it was that most used squadmate who got off the ship in the original endings along with the LI.


That makes sense.

Offtopic: Have you checked out Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood yet?

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There is also one more interesting thing - i rewatched the ME3 final titles and noted the music that was used.
It doesn't mean anything, but the choice of tracks that are used is interesting.

It is Das Malefitz by the Fuentes, followed by the track Creation, that is used in the character generation screen, followed by the Leaving Earth track. (I may have mixed up the order there a bit).

Only those three tracks.

Das Malefitz is very close for Das Malefiz - which translates from german as the maleficent. And even if the Malefitz isn't an actual word - it has Das before it which indicates german, and Mal - is Bad in german.

An interesting choice for a happy ending to a trilogy, don't you think?

Modifié par demersel, 07 décembre 2012 - 06:59 .


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magnetite wrote...

demersel wrote...

Gives much insight in what the next ME game will be like. 


I remember them asking what people were wanting for the next game. Which chapter is it in?


Codename SFX actually.. ))))

That is where the original Casey's pitch is. That one page is very telling. Just replace Xbox2 by the next gen consoles - and you will get the idea what is coming. 

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Oh right. Damn my memory is shot. I can't remember that I posted something about that yesterday.

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demersel wrote...

There is also one more interesting thing - i rewatched the ME3 final titles and noted the music that was used.
It doesn't mean anything, but the choice of tracks that are used is interesting.

It is Das Malefitz by the Fuentes, followed by the track Creation, that is used in the character generation screen, followed by the Leaving Earth track. (I may have mixed up the order there a bit).

Only those three tracks.

Das Malefitz is very close for Das Malefiz - which translates from german as the maleficent. And even if the Malefitz isn't an actual word - it has Das before it which indicates german, and Mal - is Bad in german.

An interesting choice for a happy ending to a trilogy, don't you think?


What I find interesting that in the ME 3 sountrack
After An End Once and For All, there is Das malefitz
and then two tracks I don't remember hearing in the game
One titled Betrayal
and another one titled Creation

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Rifneno wrote...

Shepard mentions the kid to Garrus. Brief mentions of the dreams but they're very non-specific. But then, Retribution tells us that Grayson didn't remember his dreams, just that they left him... shaken, I think was the word? I don't think Shepard actually remembers the dreams. At least not fully. It's impossible to wipe the player's memory of what was seen, but it's logical for Shepard not to be able to remember what occurred in the dreams, lest he go right to someone like Garrus and warn them that he was hearing those tell-tale whispers and to make sure they're ready to do whatever is necessary if he becomes indoctrinated.


What if he can remember it perfectly (and he can - he can talk to somebody about a dream - think it is Liara) - but it never crosses his mind to tell someone about them or that the dreams are alarming?  That is the scariest quality of indoctrination - you see everything perfectly well - it just doesn't bother you, or doesn't raise your consern - you just go with it. I think it is done brilliantly in ME3. 

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cavs25 wrote...

What I find interesting that in the ME 3 sountrack
After An End Once and For All, there is Das malefitz
and then two tracks I don't remember hearing in the game
One titled Betrayal
and another one titled Creation


Creation and Betrayal are CE exclusive. 

And creation plays at character generation screen + in the final titles, as i said. 
+ i think you can faintly hear the creation track when you start the Geth Dreadnought mission. 

I was told that Betrayal plays when you shoot Mordin. 

What IS truly interesting is that the Betrayal track sound really similiar to the Fate of the Galaxy track - which playes in the very opening - when Hackett and Anderson discuss the arrival of the reapers - and then later Hackett doesn't give a warning, which has Anderson surprised. 

Modifié par demersel, 07 décembre 2012 - 07:11 .