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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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RavenEyry

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"The vending machine cannot talk. If you hear it speaking, please ignore it's advice"

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If the child stepping into the shuttle was real, how can Shepard hear his scream as an echo when the shuttle gets blasted?

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I'm making a long post with pictures about weirndess at the citadel.

Edit:
Also is it just me, or the GT.TV just teased at the IT announcment in their preview of VGA awards show????:blink:

Modifié par demersel, 07 décembre 2012 - 11:22 .


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dorktainian

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hehe indoctrination ahoy

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tangythang

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demersel wrote...

I'm making a long post with pictures about weirndess at the citadel.


~Curioous~
Is there any clues as to where the reaper artifact might be hidden?
~insinuating~
Is that even possible?
~pressing at the matter eagerly~
How about Udina's office? that's where Shepard got the information regarding the catalyst from the Asari Councilor. Does she behave strangely, what if Udina was framed, because for him pulling a gun at the last second is still Udina being Udina to me.

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If I recall, the red poppy flowers from Leviathan are featured heavily on the Citadel, including Udina's office.

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tangythang wrote...

~Curioous~
Is there any clues as to where the reaper artifact might be hidden?
~insinuating~
Is that even possible?
~pressing at the matter eagerly~
How about Udina's office? that's where Shepard got the information regarding the catalyst from the Asari Councilor. Does she behave strangely, what if Udina was framed, because for him pulling a gun at the last second is still Udina being Udina to me.


Isn't the whole citadel the reaper artifact?

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RavenEyry wrote...

Isn't the whole citadel the reaper artifact?


Yep. You've found it. ))

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leonia42 wrote...

If I recall, the red poppy flowers from Leviathan are featured heavily on the Citadel, including Udina's office.

I keep haring mention of those poppies, where they added to the main citadel hub map with leviathan or do they just appear in the DLC missions?

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dorktainian

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Opium. Mind bending drugs? wonder what that would do?

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demersel wrote...

I'm making a long post with pictures about weirndess at the citadel.

Edit:
Also is it just me, or the GT.TV just teased at the IT announcment in their preview of VGA awards show????:blink:


What did they say?

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The Citadel could be capable to indoctrinate its inhabitants but on a very mild level. Possibly only at certain areas, like Presidium and council chambers.

Modifié par Humakt83, 07 décembre 2012 - 11:37 .


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Humakt83 wrote...

The Citadel could be capable to indoctrinate its inhabitants but on a very mild level. Possibly only at certain areas.


What about the mass relays, they could be too, and there is a small one on the citadel

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Humakt83 wrote...

If the child stepping into the shuttle was real, how can Shepard hear his scream as an echo when the shuttle gets blasted?


Indeed.  And ONLY his scream.

Answer: the Child isn't real.

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RavenEyry

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I'm gonna say the scream could possibly maybe be unintended since I never heard it until it was pointed out to me.

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demersel wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Isn't the whole citadel the reaper artifact?


Yep. You've found it. ))


You did, If there's a signal used to control the keeper. It only means THERES A SIGNAL. Oh naww. :o

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Perhaps we've misunderstood those flowers. Those flowers always get called poppies around here, but they're not. I looked into it, and finally found the species they appear to be. They're called Anthurium, or "flamingo flowers". So I checked the meaning and symbolism of the species. Hospitality, luck, and protection against evil. Protection against evil. No wonder Leviathan calls them dangerous. That son of a **** is Cthulhu.

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Andromidius wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

If the child stepping into the shuttle was real, how can Shepard hear his scream as an echo when the shuttle gets blasted?


Indeed.  And ONLY his scream.

Answer: the Child isn't real.


but is he real at the beggining when he´s playing with the toy spece ship?
then the reapers used his image in shepard

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Rifneno wrote...

Perhaps we've misunderstood those flowers. Those flowers always get called poppies around here, but they're not. I looked into it, and finally found the species they appear to be. They're called Anthurium, or "flamingo flowers". So I checked the meaning and symbolism of the species. Hospitality, luck, and protection against evil. Protection against evil. No wonder Leviathan calls them dangerous. That son of a **** is Cthulhu.


Wow, nice find Rif!

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dorktainian

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Fur28 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

If the child stepping into the shuttle was real, how can Shepard hear his scream as an echo when the shuttle gets blasted?


Indeed.  And ONLY his scream.

Answer: the Child isn't real.


but is he real at the beggining when he´s playing with the toy spece ship?
then the reapers used his image in shepard

NO.  i came up with a theory that actually the kid represents Shepard.  represents a vision of what is to come.  destruction and loss.  A part of the indoctrination going on in his  head.  Carried on into his dreams.  An emotional anchor.

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Fur28 wrote...

demersel wrote...

I'm making a long post with pictures about weirndess at the citadel.

Edit:
Also is it just me, or the GT.TV just teased at the IT announcment in their preview of VGA awards show????:blink:


What did they say?


I'm interested to know this too

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Fur28 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

If the child stepping into the shuttle was real, how can Shepard hear his scream as an echo when the shuttle gets blasted?


Indeed.  And ONLY his scream.

Answer: the Child isn't real.


but is he real at the beggining when he´s playing with the toy spece ship?
then the reapers used his image in shepard


Which would imply they have access to Shepard's mind...as they're indoctrinating him :)

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 Ok, so here goes. 

First of all i would like to say, that I'm not screeming OMG CITADEL IS FAKE!! etc. 
this could mean nothing  - could be just the way the levels are made. 
But stil it is quite a strange choice to make them that way. 

First - the way the levels are made really suggest that the part with the memorial wall in the Dock Holding is not real. - it is simly not there. 
Observe:
Here it is in the Dock Holdings area. 
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As you can see here the dock holding area is directly below the Normandy.

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so this area here is the same dock holding area.  (note it is absolutely empty, which is strange by itself, but i will come back to that)
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But if you try to look at place where the memorial wall should be - you'll see this (and you don't even have to go to the very edge of the map or something - it is clearly visible from any point that it is simply not there at all)
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Why would they make a level like that? I can get the absense of people - it may be so not to strain the game performance (but we will get to that.)  but why do this? For this to happend they would have to do MORE work - they would have to take the model of the level and REMOVE the part with the memorial wall. And then they would have to add the citadel presidium level in. (which is fully animated by the way - the cars fly by, the water moves etc)


Now, let's come back a little - remeber the window where you can look down on the Dock holdings level?
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Why is it empty? it is the same place we visit in the game- why is it empty? Performance issues? Really? Ok, let's take a closer lood at the notmany's dock level - It is actually HUGE
Let me demotstrate -
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See? that is actual level - all of it - with animated random generated NPCs! See those two turians? here's another screenshot a second later
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They are actually walking - so the whole level exists as a level, not just as simple background.
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So why is this area is completely empty??
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By the way - that exact point - is the ONLY place where you can hear the "If you're hearing strange voices or having unusual headaches - pleace contact the nearest C-Sec officer for immideate assistance." And the best part that it triggers each time you go from the elevator to the normandy and pause at this exact spot to observe the area - you just have to wait like two or three seconds. And it is the only way to get it - you can't get it again in the random loop.

But you might say, that it is common, they do their levels like that all the time. Indeed. They do. On the Citadel.
Here's another example -the view of presidium commons from the huerta memorial hospital - it is also completely empty
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But there is a catch. They are not copletely empty - not the bird on the roofs - the very same that the presidium commons level has. And they are completely animated.
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Why include the level at all if the simple random background would have been sufficient (if memory restrictions were an issue?)

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Fur28 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

If the child stepping into the shuttle was real, how can Shepard hear his scream as an echo when the shuttle gets blasted?


Indeed.  And ONLY his scream.

Answer: the Child isn't real.


but is he real at the beggining when he´s playing with the toy spece ship?
then the reapers used his image in shepard


Possibly, but there's nothing to suggest he was ever real.  Even the place we initially saw him disappears.

And isn't that laugh we hear of his echoy?  classic dream-like sound effect.  And he's in a complete echo-free area.

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Rifneno wrote...

Perhaps we've misunderstood those flowers. Those flowers always get called poppies around here, but they're not. I looked into it, and finally found the species they appear to be. They're called Anthurium, or "flamingo flowers". So I checked the meaning and symbolism of the species. Hospitality, luck, and protection against evil. Protection against evil. No wonder Leviathan calls them dangerous. That son of a **** is Cthulhu.


Great find. Sadly - have to go. see you all in the evening. (you know it as morning)